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"Our gun laws were built on fantasy and terror"
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May 29, 2022 10:48:26   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
Read the article, give it some thought. Paul Waldman, a professional writer, makes the point better than I could have.


Oh, he's a professional writer. That gives him credibility.

Did it ever occur to him or you to go back to real "root causes"? (Ask your VP what this means).

With all of our gun laws from 240 years ago we never had this many mass murders till our government got involved in our daily life and turned this country into a welfare state incentivizing fatherless families, promoting secular values, and allowing lack of respect for laws and traditions.

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May 29, 2022 10:51:22   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Fotoartist wrote:
Oh, he's a professional writer. That gives him credibility.

Did it ever occur to him or you to go back to real "root causes"? (Ask your VP what this means).

With all of our gun laws from 240 years ago we never had this many mass murders till our government got involved in our daily life and became a welfare state incentivizing fatherless families, promoting secular values, and ignoring lack of respect for laws and traditions.


If fatherless families is the problem, you should be ashamed of yourself for promoting the outlawing of abortions.

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May 29, 2022 10:58:16   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
Fotoartist wrote:
Oh, he's a professional writer. That gives him credibility.

Did it ever occur to him or you to go back to real "root causes"? (Ask your VP what this means).

With all of our gun laws from 240 years ago we never had this many mass murders till our government got involved in our daily life and turned this country into a welfare state incentivizing fatherless families, promoting secular values, and allowing lack of respect for laws and traditions.


I didn’t t say professional writers have credibility—clearly some professional writers are dumbasses. I did suggest that they usually write with more clarity, and are better equipped to make THEIR point.
You need the help of a professional reader, or at least stop reading your thoughts into into things that are clearly written.
Our culture is sick, who do you blame for that?

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May 29, 2022 11:01:28   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
thom w wrote:
If fatherless families is the problem, you should be ashamed of yourself for promoting the outlawing of abortions.


They don’t see the forest for the trees. It should not be a difficult reality—but it is for many.

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May 29, 2022 12:03:00   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
I didn’t t say professional writers have credibility—clearly some professional writers are dumbasses. I did suggest that they usually write with more clarity, and are better equipped to make THEIR point.
You need the help of a professional reader, or at least stop reading your thoughts into into things that are clearly written.
Our culture is sick, who do you blame for that?


I blame the growth of government for destroying the true higher values of the country with the welfare state they created. Everyone with the exception of short-sighted Democrats like you and the writer can see our culture is not sick because of the 2nd amendment but because of government incursions into the private society incentivizing and turning people into welfare recipients and single parent families dependent on free stuff with no attendant responsibility.

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May 29, 2022 12:08:47   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
thom w wrote:
If fatherless families is the problem, you should be ashamed of yourself for promoting the outlawing of abortions.


Well how is that unrestricted abortion thing that's in place now going for you? Your solution is more of the same throwing out the baby with the bath water? Thanks for defining insanity.

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May 29, 2022 17:27:49   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
They don’t see the forest for the trees. It should not be a difficult reality—but it is for many.


Spare the Rod and Spoil the Nation. Our youth need to be properly punished for their transgressions else they learn that those transgressions are acceptable.

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May 29, 2022 17:47:32   #
chikid68 Loc: Tennesse USA
 
letmedance wrote:
Spare the Rod and Spoil the Nation. Our youth need to be properly punished for their transgressions else they learn that those transgressions are acceptable.


I agree however the system says that we can't discipline the child via the rod no matter how much they deserve the whipping.

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May 29, 2022 19:19:47   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
"Those who designed and built America’s horrifying status quo on guns are now begging us to talk about anything else. We must not “politicize” the latest mass shooting, they say, by exploring what made it possible and what policies we might change to make such massacres less likely in the future.

But to imagine something different, we have to understand the ideology that created our current legal regime. It was constructed on a foundation of fantasy and terror, one that elevates imaginary threats and decrees that our response to those threats can only be confronted by each of us alone, never through the institutions we create or the government that represents us.

No, only the isolated, heavily armed, perpetually terrified individual can hope to keep his family safe — so don’t even think about changing the laws, unless it’s to put more guns in more people’s hands.

What kind of fantasies are we talking about? The most important is that the U.S. government — the one designed by those sainted Framers whose genius conservatives praise so often — is always moments away from devolving into totalitarian oppression, and all that keeps it from happening is its fear of an armed populace ready to start killing soldiers and cops.

So after the killings in Uvalde, Tex., a Florida state representative tweeted an explicit threat to kill the president of the United States: “I have news for the embarrassment that claims to be our President — try to take our guns and you’ll learn why the Second Amendment was written in the first place.”

This idea is not unusual at all; gun advocates are forever claiming that their gun rights are the only thing that keeps America from turning into Nazi Germany. Or as Republican Senate candidate Blake Masters puts it in an ad, “Without gun rights, before long, you have no rights.”

Oddly, they never explain why countries such as England, France, Denmark, and every other liberal democracy haven’t devolved into brutal dictatorship despite their relatively unarmed populations.

The next fantasy, the one that guides so many of those deeply immersed in gun culture, is that of an impending assault that can only be met with sufficient firepower. Why do I need all these semiautomatic rifles, weapons designed to kill human beings in war? Because of the home invaders, the terrorists, the gangbangers coming to kill me and my family.
This idea of a world of chaotic violence saturates conservative media (where antifa and Black Lives Matter are forever burning down cities and coming to destroy your community) and the rhetoric of gun groups and gun enthusiasts. It’s absolutely central to that message that no collective or governmental response will protect you and your family. The cops won’t get there fast enough, laws don’t stop “the bad guys,” and in the end you are atomized and alone, left to either kill or be killed.

The tragic irony is that when this fantasy is the guiding principle of law, it creates its own justification and a version of its own reality. Since it’s so easy for anyone to get an AR-15, you need one too. Since you never know when somebody might cut you off in traffic or be rude to you at the Starbucks, everyone should be allowed to carry a gun, no permit or training required.

The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. If that turns out not to be true — as it wasn’t in Buffalo or Uvalde — then the answer must be more and more guns.

The political implication is obvious: It’s not worth even trying to craft any kind of policy solution to gun violence. As Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton — allegedly the state’s top law enforcement official — said after the Uvalde massacre, laws are pointless.

“People that are shooting people, that are killing kids, they’re not following murder laws. They’re not going to follow gun laws,” he told Newsmax. Though in fact, the Uvalde shooter did follow gun laws: He waited until his 18th birthday to legally purchase the rifle he used to kill those children.

Or as Fox News’s Sean Hannity put it, anyone who wants gun restrictions should answer this question: “What are you going to do if somebody breaks into your home in the dark of night and wants to bring harm to you and your family?” The nightmare is coming, and no one but you and your gun can stop it.

I know the objection many people will have: “I’m a safe and responsible gun owner. I don’t think I’m going to confront a terrorist strike team at my local supermarket. I have no problem with reasonable gun regulations.” There are millions of people about whom that’s true. But they’re not the ones setting the agenda of the Republican Party, and they’re not the ones whose beliefs have guided our laws.

It’s their fantasy world of horror and fear that gave us the laws we have now. And they’ll do everything they can to keep it that way."

Paul Waldman
"Those who designed and built America’s horri... (show quote)


You really are clueless.
Democrats have made the idiot gun control laws to punish law abiding citizens period.

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