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May 26, 2022 11:59:37   #
pfrancke Loc: cold Maine
 
pendennis wrote:
We have a conundrum with the 18-year old. He/She is classified as an "adult". However it's known that a human's brain doesn't really completely mature until about age 25. That's a seven +/- year gap. At 18, the person can legally enter into contracts, serve in the military, vote, etc. In the military, the person is trained in the use of small arms, pistols, rifles, machine guns, but all under strict supervision, but far more deadly than an AR-15 (primarily because of fully automatic capabilities. How many 18-year olds would you let drive a new Corvette, Mustang, etc. Not many, I'd wager.

Under Federal law, one must be 21 to buy a handgun, but able to possess one at age 18.
We have a conundrum with the 18-year old. He/She ... (show quote)


Yes - The thing about an 18 year old, is that we do not know what we have.

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May 26, 2022 12:42:40   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
BooIsMyCat wrote:
Well wilbur, we aren't talking about a 9mm to kill school children, are we?

You obviously don't give a damn about children being mowed down so, STFU.


you obviously dont know the difference so STFU yourself, catbox

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May 26, 2022 12:44:15   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
JohnFrim wrote:
I know that most Americans don't sleep with a gun under their pillow. In fact, in all my interactions with Americans I only knew one non-uniformed person who regularly packed a sidearm, and he was an air marshal.

I have a friend in the US who once got very angry at a driver who cursed at her because she was having trouble opening the garage gate at her apartment to let me drive my car in. I could not believe the string of curse words that she shouted out. I later heard that she applied for a gun licence. This is the kind of person I would worry about.

I have already said I fully support gun ownership for sport (hunting, target shooting), and I have no problem with a person grabbing a firearm that is legally in the house already to protect his/her property during a home intrusion. But I just don't buy into the need to pack a weapon whenever leaving the house... even though people believe that they have the right to do so; that is the part that I disagree with.
I know that most Americans don't sleep with a gun ... (show quote)


sorry, few people here care about your needs

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May 26, 2022 13:31:06   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
wilpharm wrote:
sorry, few people here care about your needs


You do realize, I hope, that all my rantings about US politics and laws is selfishly motivated... because unlike you who lives with his head in the sand (or elsewhere) I know that what the US does affects me as a Canadian, and what other countries do affects the US. You are no longer the shining city on the hill on an isolated island. Globalism is here, and it is here to stay. Drop the arrogance and get a realistic life perspective.

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May 26, 2022 15:48:25   #
pendennis
 
pfrancke wrote:
Someone "followed the law" and sold body armor and serious weapons to an 18 year old. I believe that a society that allows this, and even advocates this is irresponsible and unaccountable.

Yes, my definitions would need a great deal of work. I am thinking that one of the root issues at hand is how much power to place into the hands of an 18 year old. What is the magic thing about 18, versus 16, or 21, or 30, or 5?

Yes, the NRA absolutely has made things clear about our right to bear arms. But the meaning of right to bear arms is very debatable.
Someone "followed the law" and sold body... (show quote)


While the NRA is on the front lines, they aren't the prime driver for determination of the right to keep and bear arms. That phrase is embedded in the Second Amendment. The meaning of "right to bear arms" is specific and clear. There's no room for other interpretation. I live in Michigan and that term is embedded in the body of the state Constitution.

IF folks want to be serious about more closely matching brain maturity with physical maturity, then raising the age of physical maturity to 21 must be on the table. Most states have an absolute minimum age of 21 for consumption of hard alcohol. It may not be a stretch to raise the age of majority to 21 - period. Last I was involved, young men still pay higher auto insurance rates for drivers under 25, because the actuarial data absolutely makes the correct case, and I had several friends who found out permanently.

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May 26, 2022 15:51:41   #
pendennis
 
JohnFrim wrote:
You do realize, I hope, that all my rantings about US politics and laws is selfishly motivated... because unlike you who lives with his head in the sand (or elsewhere) I know that what the US does affects me as a Canadian, and what other countries do affects the US. You are no longer the shining city on the hill on an isolated island. Globalism is here, and it is here to stay. Drop the arrogance and get a realistic life perspective.


And President Reagan didn't add your italicized words.

To wit: There are 45 million folks legally wanting to reside in that shining city of the hill. And there are hundreds of thousands who sneak in illegally for the same reason. Obviously, we do something correctly, that the rest of the world lack.

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May 26, 2022 17:25:22   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
pendennis wrote:
There are 45 million folks legally wanting to reside in that shining city of the hill. And there are hundreds of thousands who sneak in illegally for the same reason. Obviously, we do something correctly, that the rest of the world lack.


Don’t break your arm patting yourself on the back; other countries also wrestle with immigration.

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May 26, 2022 21:13:55   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
JohnFrim wrote:
Don’t break your arm patting yourself on the back; other countries also wrestle with immigration.


hope you are happy with Justine & your muslim immigrants!! BTW we really dont give a shit about YOUR welfare

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May 26, 2022 21:48:51   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
JohnFrim wrote:
You do realize, I hope, that all my rantings about US politics and laws is selfishly motivated... because unlike you who lives with his head in the sand (or elsewhere) I know that what the US does affects me as a Canadian, and what other countries do affects the US. You are no longer the shining city on the hill on an isolated island. Globalism is here, and it is here to stay. Drop the arrogance and get a realistic life perspective.


really, kinda strange a canuck talking about arrogance..I spend a lot of time on Pacific coast of Mexico Where many Canucks winter...By far they are the most arrogant jackasses we have encountered...barely tolerated by Americans & Mexicans both... you sound just like one of them..so chill & adopt a muslim

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May 27, 2022 00:58:06   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
wilpharm wrote:
really, kinda strange a canuck talking about arrogance..I spend a lot of time on Pacific coast of Mexico Where many Canucks winter...By far they are the most arrogant jackasses we have encountered...barely tolerated by Americans & Mexicans both... you sound just like one of them..so chill & adopt a muslim


Well, I guess we travel in different circles. I have actually been refused service in a store in a foreign country because they mistook me for an American (damn Mickey Mouse t-shirt). When they found out I was Canadian I received a very warm welcome. I also encountered Australians sporting Canadian flags because Aussies have a reputation of loud partying at campsites. I think you are actually jealous... and you know it.

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May 27, 2022 08:28:26   #
BooIsMyCat Loc: Somewhere
 
wilpharm wrote:
you obviously dont know the difference so STFU yourself, catbox


Been around too many drugs, haven't you?

Stand up and give your brain some air.

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May 27, 2022 10:53:22   #
Wuligal Loc: Slippery Rock, Pa.
 
JohnFrim wrote:
I don't have the solution(s) either, but I do have a few thoughts about the problem.

First, if ALL firearms were banned there would be no shooting deaths. Clearly, this is not possible or even practical; it is simply a statement of fact. But it does speak to the truth that surely fewer firearms would reduce the number of shooting deaths. And yes, criminals would still have guns; but as someone stated already, most of the mass shooting perpetrators were not career criminals before the heinous act. It is the far-too-easy access to these weapons that enables people who fantasize about being mass killers to actually become one.

Second, the argument that "guns don't kill; people do" is a deflection from the problem. Given the choice of a baseball bat, knife or automatic rifle, the nutcase who decides to go on a mass killing spree will surely take the automatic rifle for its firing rate and standoff advantage. While smarter and more effective gun laws might reduce the overall death rates from all shootings, the issue being debated right now is mass shootings, not onesies. Also, the argument that "there are already lots of gun laws that are not being enforced, so more laws will not help" is yet another red herring, because it is the automatic weapons and high capacity magazines that need the focus right now.

Third, the 2nd Amendment has been misinterpreted and twisted by deviant lawyers and gun lobbyists to the point that it looks like an intestine; and we know what comes out of that in the end. I bet the Founding Fathers are turning over in their graves when they see what has become of their "right to bear arms" words. It is high time this Amendment gets an overhaul that addresses the technology available today, and not muskets and powder pouches.

Finally, if you look at the gun laws and gun deaths of other countries you will see that the US is "way out in left field" (left not being a political term). Correlation is not causation, but you would have to be really stupid to not see the pattern.:
- most of the American population leaves home... keys, wallet, gun, ammo... check.
- most of the world population leaves home... keys, wallet... that's all I need.
I don't have the solution(s) either, but I do have... (show quote)


Thank you for your well stated opinion.

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May 30, 2022 09:52:27   #
DickC Loc: NE Washington state
 
Right on Bob!!My guns haven't jumped out of my safe either!!

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