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Vietnam, Afghanistan, Where People fought for their homeland... like in Ukraine.
May 24, 2022 13:00:02   #
ArtzDarkroom Loc: Near Disneyland-Orange County, California
 
The USA did it too to separate from England.

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May 24, 2022 13:19:42   #
PH CIB
 
Very Sad...It broke my Heart when Saigon fell in 75...Unlike Germany, Japan, and South Korea that we helped build up and are now some of our major Allies but also major Economic Competitors, seems like we just go in and destroy Countries and leave, Viet Nam, Afghanistan and Iraq and Syria...It will be interesting to see what happens in Ukraine, but even if they win it will take Decades to Restore their Country...

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May 30, 2022 09:13:51   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
The leadership of Ukraine brought war to its soil by provoking Russia with the Ukraine ambition to join NATO, thereby setting this Western military alliance at the doorstop of Russia. In the interest of its national security, Russia attacked Ukraine to prevent this outcome.

Since Russia intervened militarily in Ukraine, this neighboring nation has dropped its ambition to join NATO.

Now, both sides say they want security guarantees and the neutrality of Ukraine.

Russia has other concerns and claims.

This onlooker believes that world leadership should pressure both sides to engage in talks to come to terms for peace in Ukraine.
PH CIB wrote:
Very Sad...It broke my Heart when Saigon fell in 75...Unlike Germany, Japan, and South Korea that we helped build up and are now some of our major Allies but also major Economic Competitors, seems like we just go in and destroy Countries and leave, Viet Nam, Afghanistan and Iraq and Syria...It will be interesting to see what happens in Ukraine, but even if they win it will take Decades to Restore their Country...

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May 30, 2022 09:24:49   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
anotherview wrote:
The leadership of Ukraine brought war to its soil by provoking Russia with the Ukraine ambition to join NATO, thereby setting this Western military alliance at the doorstop of Russia. In the interest of its national security, Russia attacked Ukraine to prevent this outcome.

Since Russia intervened militarily in Ukraine, this neighboring nation has dropped its ambition to join NATO.

Now, both sides say they want security guarantees and the neutrality of Ukraine.

Russia has other concerns and claims.

This onlooker believes that world leadership should pressure both sides to engage in talks to come to terms for peace in Ukraine.
The leadership of Ukraine brought war to its soil ... (show quote)



My opinion.

Putin used NATO as an excuse to cover his legacy ambition of going down in history as the person that tried to restore the USSR. The NATO was a smoke screen.

It is unconscionable that you blame Ukraine for their country being invaded.

“””” The leadership of Ukraine brought war to its soil by provoking Russia”””

Even if true it would be deemed an utter failure in that aspect . Sweden and Finland ( a country with 800 miles of border with Russia - along with the exploding resolve of the EU.

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May 30, 2022 09:40:41   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
The expansion of NATO eastward has alarmed Russia. Look at a map of this growth. This map should give an onlooker a sense of this regional dispute. Know your enemy.
DennyT wrote:
My opinion.

Putin used NATO as an excuse to cover his legacy ambition of going down in history as the person that tried to restore the USSR. The NATO was a smoke screen.

It is unconscionable that you blame Ukraine for their country being invaded.

“””” The leadership of Ukraine brought war to its soil by provoking Russia”””

Even if true it would be deemed an utter failure in that aspect . Sweden and Finland ( a country with 800 miles of border with Russia - along with the exploding resolve of the EU.
My opinion. br br Putin used NATO as an excuse to... (show quote)

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May 30, 2022 10:17:47   #
Bill 45
 
anotherview wrote:
The leadership of Ukraine brought war to its soil by provoking Russia with the Ukraine ambition to join NATO, thereby setting this Western military alliance at the doorstop of Russia. In the interest of its national security, Russia attacked Ukraine to prevent this outcome.

Since Russia intervened militarily in Ukraine, this neighboring nation has dropped its ambition to join NATO.

Now, both sides say they want security guarantees and the neutrality of Ukraine.

Russia has other concerns and claims.

This onlooker believes that world leadership should pressure both sides to engage in talks to come to terms for peace in Ukraine.
The leadership of Ukraine brought war to its soil ... (show quote)


You may live in California; but your writing read like someone who live in Russia.

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May 31, 2022 23:34:15   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Ha, ha. Nope. Instead, I take account of available facts and information and then apply analysis and reason to this material. I think for myself.

I also hold to this military dictum: Know your enemy.
Bill 45 wrote:
You may live in California; but your writing read like someone who live in Russia.

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