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May 19, 2022 00:39:21   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
jaredjacobson wrote:
Or use the right tool for the right job: buy an electric car for a short commute and running around town, and if you go on a long distance trip, rent a hybrid.


RAV 4 Plug-In Hybrid does both jobs rather well. Commute all week on plug-in power, then gas up for a trip to the beach or mountains.

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May 19, 2022 01:04:10   #
LDB415 Loc: Houston south suburb
 
Electric vehicles are a GREAT idea whose time has come, if the year is 2050 or beyond and if we've built at least a couple dozen more nuclear power plants to support them. As of now they are a fool's gambit. We are nowhere near ready for forcing this folly on the public. And that's not scare tactics propaganda. That's just the way it is.

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May 19, 2022 06:11:47   #
Walkabout08
 
Bill Emmett wrote:
I looked into buying a EV. So, I studied the charging situation for a home garage charger. Now the hidden cost. To install a home charging unit, I'd need a local building permit, and after the install a inspection. Since the system would now become part of my home, the value would be added to my homes value. This would add to my real-estate taxs, as did my standby generator system. Plus, since road tax is collected at the gas station, the road tax would be added to my license plate tax. I'll stick with owning two BMWs both gas powered getting over 20 mpg.
I looked into buying a EV. So, I studied the char... (show quote)


If you have a standard clothes dryer circuit in your house then you should have no problem with a home charger for your ev since they’re identical.

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May 19, 2022 06:36:06   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
Think about the fueling stations on the interstates and turnpikes. They might have 20 gas pumps. Maybe 5 minutes to fill a car. The electric vehicles take significantly more than 5 minutes to recharge, even with super fast charging. There will be a transition period during which they will have to serve both electric and gas vehicles. It's not only a lack of infrastructure, it's a real estate problem as well. The refueling area will have to increase by a factor of 3 or more.


Also the wait time. How much longer will you be on the road? And of course, the obligatory privileged who would have to wait in line. I think it's great. However, the zeal to stick it to the energy companies is a knee-jerk action. The cart is going before the horse.

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May 19, 2022 07:27:17   #
agillot
 
14v x 1000 = 14000 not 1400 .

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May 19, 2022 09:39:26   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
jaredjacobson wrote:
Or use the right tool for the right job: buy an electric car for a short commute and running around town, and if you go on a long distance trip, rent a hybrid.


Not a bad idea. It all depends on the frequency of long distance trips. If they're frequent, renting may not be cost effective.

In addition, it adds a few hours to the trip. Again, for a long trip a few hours is not a big deal but in today's instant society it's a negative. You have to travel somehow to the rental place to get the car, maybe return home to load it, then return it afterwards and find your way back home. All that is not a big problem for a trip of a week or more, but a hassle for a weekend.

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May 19, 2022 09:52:13   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
traderjohn wrote:
Also the wait time. How much longer will you be on the road? And of course, the obligatory privileged who would have to wait in line. I think it's great. However, the zeal to stick it to the energy companies is a knee-jerk action. The cart is going before the horse.


Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Market adoption of a new technology is graphed like a hockey stick. It has to have a certain "critical mass of viability" before it takes off like a rocket as the next "must have." The first truly viable hybrid, the Prius, was conceived in the early 1990s and introduced in Japan in 1997. 11 years later, I bought one. It was the best, most versatile and reliable car I ever owned, until a drunk redneck in a pickup ran off the road and destroyed it. It had 186,565 miles on it, and still drove as if new.

Those working to make viable energy sources for electric cars know all the practical issues better than we do. Those issues will be solved by people with positive attitudes and creative minds. There was a time about 120 years ago when roads were mud, gasoline was sold in tins, there were no "filling stations", and you had to do your own maintenance on a car.

As my grandfather used to say, "Oh, ye of little faith in the future, just look to the past and get a clue about how things work." Just about every objection to cleaner forms of energy comes from people stuck in their current paradigm. Just about every solution will come from creative people who work *outside* that paradigm.

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May 19, 2022 10:06:24   #
davidv Loc: salt lake city utah
 
I have owned an electric car for approximately four years. I charge my car from home on a 120 V system that doesn’t even seem to affect my electric bill. You don’t need any special hook ups in your garage unless you choose to charge at 220 v. There are also in the US a lot of free charging stations, you don’t get that with gas. I also own a gas car and I still prefer to drive my electric car because of the quietness and acceleration and as of now affordability of electric. So if you haven’t even driven a electric car you should try one out. are they more expensive yes, but if you consider the price as of now electric versus gas, No oil changes, and where I live because they only have emissions testing I don’t need any inspections. Even if you use pay chargers on trips to charge your car it is still roughly a third or less of the cost of gas, so over a period of time your expensive electric car is paying you back with gas and inspections and oil changes.

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May 19, 2022 10:14:37   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
13 wrote:
What a farse... If everyone had an electric car it would tax the power grid to the point of failure. Those cars would not work in northern states in the winter. Just my 2-cent worth. :}

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/californias-electrical-grid-has-an-ev-problem/ar-AAXsHfT?li=BBnb7Kz

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May 19, 2022 12:39:17   #
Bill Emmett Loc: Bow, New Hampshire
 
burkphoto wrote:
Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Market adoption of a new technology is graphed like a hockey stick. It has to have a certain "critical mass of viability" before it takes off like a rocket as the next "must have." The first truly viable hybrid, the Prius, was conceived in the early 1990s and introduced in Japan in 1997. 11 years later, I bought one. It was the best, most versatile and reliable car I ever owned, until a drunk redneck in a pickup ran off the road and destroyed it. It had 186,565 miles on it, and still drove as if new.

Those working to make viable energy sources for electric cars know all the practical issues better than we do. Those issues will be solved by people with positive attitudes and creative minds. There was a time about 120 years ago when roads were mud, gasoline was sold in tins, there were no "filling stations", and you had to do your own maintenance on a car.

As my grandfather used to say, "Oh, ye of little faith in the future, just look to the past and get a clue about how things work." Just about every objection to cleaner forms of energy comes from people stuck in their current paradigm. Just about every solution will come from creative people who work *outside* that paradigm.
Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Market a... (show quote)


Things in the U.S. will come with drastic changes, as far as maintenance on these EV. In 2008, our Congress allowed all the "Right to Repair" laws to expire. This lack of action allowed all the business that sell products in the U.S. to stop providing repair information for any of their products. This is also the same with U.S. Companies. World wide Auto manufactures do not supply information to repair their gas engine cars. Imagine how repair information will be handled on EV autos. Oh, a trip to a dealer, bring more money. The local mechanic, will be a thing of the past, much like the local blacksmith. These EVs are being driven down our throats, with no repair capabilities in sight other than the dealerships.

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May 19, 2022 14:41:08   #
Bison Bud
 
burkphoto wrote:
Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Market adoption of a new technology is graphed like a hockey stick. It has to have a certain "critical mass of viability" before it takes off like a rocket as the next "must have." The first truly viable hybrid, the Prius, was conceived in the early 1990s and introduced in Japan in 1997. 11 years later, I bought one. It was the best, most versatile and reliable car I ever owned, until a drunk redneck in a pickup ran off the road and destroyed it. It had 186,565 miles on it, and still drove as if new.

Those working to make viable energy sources for electric cars know all the practical issues better than we do. Those issues will be solved by people with positive attitudes and creative minds. There was a time about 120 years ago when roads were mud, gasoline was sold in tins, there were no "filling stations", and you had to do your own maintenance on a car.

As my grandfather used to say, "Oh, ye of little faith in the future, just look to the past and get a clue about how things work." Just about every objection to cleaner forms of energy comes from people stuck in their current paradigm. Just about every solution will come from creative people who work *outside* that paradigm.
Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Market a... (show quote)


I think the big question is whether or not electric vehicles really are using cleaner energy. Obviously, exhaust emissions are eliminated on EV's and that's a big plus. However, how the electrical power used to charge the batteries is generated needs to be considered and most of it is now either from burning coal or natural gas and Lord help us if anyone even suggests going back to building nuclear power plants. I don't think it's going to happen no matter how bad we might need it. We also need to consider the fuel consumed, the toxic metals needed, and the pollution involved in the manufacture and future disposal of the batteries needed. Not to mention the actual process of mining and refining of the exotic materials needed to ramp up to the scale we are talking about here.

This is what I've been referring to when I previously stated that we need to take a good look at the whole picture before we go "All In" on electric vehicles.

I have also questioned how safe these massive battery packs are in a crash and even routine charging. While gas burns readily, the heat generated by a shorted battery can be many, many, times hotter and more explosive than gas has ever been. It's something to at least consider and I for one will never charge an EV inside my garage even if it does become commonplace to do so.

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May 19, 2022 15:54:25   #
Paul Diamond Loc: Atlanta, GA, USA
 
burkphoto wrote:
So now we get to listen to all the Mr. Negatives who have bought into the scare tactics propaganda spewed out on the Internet by the big coal, oil, and gas companies...

Moving from petroleum power to electric power for vehicles is a monumental task with enormous challenges, to be sure. But we have to start somewhere. It will take all forms of "generation" to make it happen, at least initially.

If we survive the climate crisis, 100 years from now, our great-great-grandkids may be using nuclear fusion, solar, wind, geothermal, hydroelectric, and other technologies that haven't even been discovered yet. Most oil production will be for things that don't burn or pollute.

We really do have to stop raping the planet. I know the robber barons don't care... "No one gets out alive, so grab what you can while still alive!" is their motto. So sad... no compassion for future generations.
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I think you missed the point. I'm in favor of replacing polluting cars, trucks, buses and factory smokestacks. I'm just opposed to poor engineering. It's nearly impossible to access Tesla batteries without literally tearing apart the vehicle. Poor engineering from the conception of the Tesla idea of what makes a passenger car.

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May 19, 2022 16:19:19   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Paul Diamond wrote:
I think you missed the point. I'm in favor of replacing polluting cars, trucks, buses and factory smokestacks. I'm just opposed to poor engineering. It's nearly impossible to access Tesla batteries without literally tearing apart the vehicle. Poor engineering from the conception of the Tesla idea of what makes a passenger car.


I'll agree with that. I would not by any current Tesla, due to a warped design philosophy. They need competition from Toyota, which is coming.

Toyota is building a huge battery plant here in North Carolina, just SouthEast of Greensboro.

https://www.areadevelopment.com/newsitems/12-14-2021/toyota-greensboro-north-carolina.shtml

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May 20, 2022 06:11:48   #
Walkabout08
 
burkphoto wrote:
I'll agree with that. I would not by any current Tesla, due to a warped design philosophy. They need competition from Toyota, which is coming.

Toyota is building a huge battery plant here in North Carolina, just SouthEast of Greensboro.

https://www.areadevelopment.com/newsitems/12-14-2021/toyota-greensboro-north-carolina.shtml


It’s about time, Toyota was betting on hydrogen fuel cells for at least the past decade and only recently thrown in the towels and changed their focus to EVs.

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May 20, 2022 06:56:30   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
burkphoto wrote:
Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Market adoption of a new technology is graphed like a hockey stick. It has to have a certain "critical mass of viability" before it takes off like a rocket as the next "must have." The first truly viable hybrid, the Prius, was conceived in the early 1990s and introduced in Japan in 1997. 11 years later, I bought one. It was the best, most versatile and reliable car I ever owned, until a drunk redneck in a pickup ran off the road and destroyed it. It had 186,565 miles on it, and still drove as if new.

Those working to make viable energy sources for electric cars know all the practical issues better than we do. Those issues will be solved by people with positive attitudes and creative minds. There was a time about 120 years ago when roads were mud, gasoline was sold in tins, there were no "filling stations", and you had to do your own maintenance on a car.

As my grandfather used to say, "Oh, ye of little faith in the future, just look to the past and get a clue about how things work." Just about every objection to cleaner forms of energy comes from people stuck in their current paradigm. Just about every solution will come from creative people who work *outside* that paradigm.
Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Market a... (show quote)


Not important who or what came first. Both are food. Electric work if there is access to the charging stations. How many?? A $h!t load!! If you want people to buy into it you need to have the solution, not more rhetoric. A lot like remove all guns and rifles to reduce crime. No. Where is the narrative on how to correct ...people??

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