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May 18, 2022 10:56:02   #
andesbill
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
Think about the fueling stations on the interstates and turnpikes. They might have 20 gas pumps. Maybe 5 minutes to fill a car. The electric vehicles take significantly more than 5 minutes to recharge, even with super fast charging. There will be a transition period during which they will have to serve both electric and gas vehicles. It's not only a lack of infrastructure, it's a real estate problem as well. The refueling area will have to increase by a factor of 3 or more.


With the Tesla, you see while driving, the number of available chargers for each installation. So far there hasn’t been a problem. Also, the time to fill has been no more than 20 minutes to reach the next station. It sounds like a lot, which it is if we’re talking about daily driving. But on the road, it enabled us to stretch, grab a meal, go to the rest room and walk the dog. Since this always took longer than the car required, it was never a problem.
If you can’t charge up at home, you really shouldn’t get an ev car.
You should check to see if solar panels will pay for you. There are a lot of good companies who will show you exactly how much it will save you. If panels work for you, as they do in Florida, think about getting them.
There’s a caveat here. It’s like paying for say, 10 years of electric power in advance. Do not under any circumstance lease them. You will never save a dime that way. Loans also make it highly doubtful that you will see a return, which makes panels useful only for a too few people.
Still, checking it out is free. Plugging in your car to solar panels is fun, especially if the panels are cutting/eliminating your home bill as well.
You can’t expect to get everything.
Oh, and forget about battery storage to go off grid. That is just stupid expensive.

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May 18, 2022 11:29:04   #
alberio Loc: Casa Grande AZ
 
If you stop for twenty minutes to charge your EV, it will take an additional twenty minutes to reach the point where you would have been had you been able to keep driving. Same goes for fuel stops, but closer to five minute stop vs twenty. "I'm charging, therefore I'll be twenty minutes late for work" will be the excuse of the day also reducing the overall productivity of our once Great Country.

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May 18, 2022 12:01:40   #
BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
Bison Bud wrote:
While I do think that electric vehicles (like it or not) are going to be a big part of our future, I really think that the "Plug-In Hybrid" may be the best overall option, at least for now. Being able to use either electric or gas power makes good sense and they could compliment each other for a long time to come. However, the research I've done on currently available Plug-ins has revealed to me that the electric range is currently very limited compared to the full electric cars. Most in the order of only 50 miles on electric power. I guess that's good enough to get you around town on electric power, but at least for me, this range would have to increase considerably before I'd buy one of these vehicles. While, I realize that having both systems on board adds weight and takes up space, which makes it somewhat of an engineering challenge, surely they can come up with a more viable solution to the "Plug-In Hybrid" concept.

Frankly, I am also still concerned about what happens to these large battery systems when in a crash? We all know that shorting out a battery can cause arc welding temperatures and conditions and even outright explosions. It is also well known that Lithium Ion batteries can be shorted out by penetrating or crushing them and many a laptop or phone has burst into flames when someone tried to pry up what was supposed to be a non-user replaceable battery in an attempt to replace it and extend the life of the made to be disposable device. How are these batteries going to survive in a serious crash and not make the end result even worse? Also are electric car batteries going to be replaceable or are these vehicles going to be made to be disposable too? Honestly, rechargeable batteries could be a worse fire hazard than gas ever was and I've seen no one even mention this, much less address how they intend to control it and make it safe.

Once again, I think there is a future for electric vehicles, but we all need to take a good look at the whole picture before we commit our entire future to them. This especially goes for our government leadership that seems so anxious to do something "Green!" Personally. I'm not yet convinced that electric vehicles are all that "Green" anyway!
While I do think that electric vehicles (like it o... (show quote)

Electric motors are fantastic. Storage batteries not so much. Battery tech has a good ways to go before I'm thrilled with them. Govt need to keep their ugly nose out of it. When EV is working right, they will not need subsidy or anything else to get people to buy. Think about the stupid Govt trying to force people to buy those stupid pig tail florescent bulbs. They had to ban regular bulbs and people stocked up on the regular bulbs. Then came LED, which everyone loves. No need at all to force them on people, everyone wants them. Same thing will happen with EV's.

When someone comes out with a great method to power them, they will replace what's being used in a heartbeat. You will know when we get there because everyone will be driving them.

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May 18, 2022 12:05:00   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
BigDaddy wrote:
Electric motors are fantastic. Storage batteries not so much. Battery tech has a good ways to go before I'm thrilled with them. Govt need to keep their ugly nose out of it. When EV is working right, they will not need subsidy or anything else to get people to buy. Think about the stupid Govt trying to force people to buy those stupid pig tail florescent bulbs. They had to ban regular bulbs and people stocked up on the regular bulbs. Then came LED, which everyone loves. No need at all to force them on people, everyone wants them. Same thing will happen with EV's.

When someone comes out with a great method to power them, they will replace what's being used in a heartbeat. You will know when we get there because everyone will be driving them.
Electric motors are fantastic. Storage batteries n... (show quote)


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May 18, 2022 12:45:24   #
alberio Loc: Casa Grande AZ
 
BigDaddy wrote:
Electric motors are fantastic. Storage batteries not so much. Battery tech has a good ways to go before I'm thrilled with them. Govt need to keep their ugly nose out of it. When EV is working right, they will not need subsidy or anything else to get people to buy. Think about the stupid Govt trying to force people to buy those stupid pig tail florescent bulbs. They had to ban regular bulbs and people stocked up on the regular bulbs. Then came LED, which everyone loves. No need at all to force them on people, everyone wants them. Same thing will happen with EV's.

When someone comes out with a great method to power them, they will replace what's being used in a heartbeat. You will know when we get there because everyone will be driving them.
Electric motors are fantastic. Storage batteries n... (show quote)


Make all highways Slot Car Tracks only make better guardrails to keep cars from flying off corners. No batteries necessary only one very large nuclear power plant.

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May 18, 2022 13:32:44   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
alberio wrote:
Make all highways Slot Car Tracks only make better guardrails to keep cars from flying off corners. No batteries necessary only one very large nuclear power plant.

Drag chains in the slots...
(Would be fun in the Winter.)

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May 18, 2022 13:42:19   #
lbrande
 
alberio wrote:
Make all highways Slot Car Tracks only make better guardrails to keep cars from flying off corners. No batteries necessary only one very large nuclear power plant.


I think that induction drive / charging would be more apropos.

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May 18, 2022 13:55:38   #
andesbill
 
lbrande wrote:
I think that induction drive / charging would be more apropos.


If you own a Tesla and have no regard for money, you can spend $10,000 or so for an induction charging mat. When you park over it in your garage it starts charging.

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May 18, 2022 14:01:24   #
BebuLamar
 
traderjohn wrote:
The charging station situation will be a problem. There will be a need for a lot of charging stations. The wait in line will be long. Where will they be?? Everywhere?? How many and on what roads from NYC to Mark Tree Arkansaw?


It would be a problem. Assuming they have as many charging stations as we have gas pump now but refueling a gas tank takes 5 min it takes much longer to charge and thus we need a whole lot more charging stations than gas station.

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May 18, 2022 15:45:11   #
DeanerNiker Loc: Lakewood, Colorado
 

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May 18, 2022 16:45:48   #
Bill Emmett Loc: Bow, New Hampshire
 
I looked into buying a EV. So, I studied the charging situation for a home garage charger. Now the hidden cost. To install a home charging unit, I'd need a local building permit, and after the install a inspection. Since the system would now become part of my home, the value would be added to my homes value. This would add to my real-estate taxs, as did my standby generator system. Plus, since road tax is collected at the gas station, the road tax would be added to my license plate tax. I'll stick with owning two BMWs both gas powered getting over 20 mpg.

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May 18, 2022 18:17:29   #
Pepsiman Loc: New York City
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I got this from a YouTube guy last night.

Except for Tesla, every EV uses the same type of connection to charge. Since Tesla developed theirs first, theirs is different. They said that they will switch to the universal type. This will allow Tesla cars to use any charging station, and it will also allow other EVs to use Tesla's.
EV makers are heading toward 800 and 900-volt systems for a number of beneficial reasons.
Fast chargers are becoming more popular - like ten minutes to charge completely. Although this is fast, it's not necessarily good for the battery pack.
The fast chargers - CCS - can deliver up to 1,000 amps through the cable. This might seem like a lot for a 2" cable, but it is liquid cooled. Coolant runs through the cable and back to a radiator in the charging unit.

These two guys drove from somewhere up north to FL, and they spent a little over an hour charging the Hyundai they were driving. They said it was nice taking a short break every few hours.

I'm not promoting electric cars - just mentioning some interesting facts.
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And if you live in a Hi Rise building, you charge it using a SKY cable


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May 18, 2022 21:48:25   #
Paul Diamond Loc: Atlanta, GA, USA
 
Glad to read the comments here about Electric Vehicles. I've been fascinated by them since the beginning. I noticed that an Israeli entrepreneur got a special Reynault (sp) made for Israel with electric motor and battery trays. You can go to many, many places in relatively small Israel to get a charged replacement tray of batteries for the ones that need charging.

So, I then learned about the many problems of the current Tesla designs. And the consequences every one of us will face here in the USA in the near future. A few info tidbits - BMW announced that they will stop building gasoline engines for 2025 car models. Many other companies will compete with them.

California has a requirement of at least 5 years (manufacturer guaranteed) function from the electric car batteries. Battery 'failure' is determined by Calif. state law to be when the batteries fail to achieve at least 80% recharge capacity. This will mean that, at least for Tesla cars, the product life of an electric Tesla is 5 years and $0.00 in the 6th year because Tesla will consider the car as salvage and refuse to supply parts or service. -

Since all of my current (gasoline) cars are more than 5 years of age, think about the future value of your electric car if it can't get a fresh set of replacement batteries??? After 5 years??? And, say 'good bye' to used car dealerships, 'starter cars,' etc. Lots of money being taken off of the table and out of your pockets!!!

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May 18, 2022 21:49:43   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I got this from a YouTube guy last night.

Except for Tesla, every EV uses the same type of connection to charge. Since Tesla developed theirs first, theirs is different. They said that they will switch to the universal type. This will allow Tesla cars to use any charging station, and it will also allow other EVs to use Tesla's.
EV makers are heading toward 800 and 900-volt systems for a number of beneficial reasons.
Fast chargers are becoming more popular - like ten minutes to charge completely. Although this is fast, it's not necessarily good for the battery pack.
The fast chargers - CCS - can deliver up to 1,000 amps through the cable. This might seem like a lot for a 2" cable, but it is liquid cooled. Coolant runs through the cable and back to a radiator in the charging unit.

These two guys drove from somewhere up north to FL, and they spent a little over an hour charging the Hyundai they were driving. They said it was nice taking a short break every few hours.

I'm not promoting electric cars - just mentioning some interesting facts.
I got this from a YouTube guy last night. br br E... (show quote)


So now we get to listen to all the Mr. Negatives who have bought into the scare tactics propaganda spewed out on the Internet by the big coal, oil, and gas companies...

Moving from petroleum power to electric power for vehicles is a monumental task with enormous challenges, to be sure. But we have to start somewhere. It will take all forms of "generation" to make it happen, at least initially.

If we survive the climate crisis, 100 years from now, our great-great-grandkids may be using nuclear fusion, solar, wind, geothermal, hydroelectric, and other technologies that haven't even been discovered yet. Most oil production will be for things that don't burn or pollute.

We really do have to stop raping the planet. I know the robber barons don't care... "No one gets out alive, so grab what you can while still alive!" is their motto. So sad... no compassion for future generations.

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May 18, 2022 23:14:44   #
jaredjacobson
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
The range issue of an EV is really a problem for today's people. I don't know how long it takes to charge an EV since I don't have one, but it takes more time than fossil fueling. If you can charge it at home overnight, it's no problem, but if you're on a long trip, it's the charging time that is probably the biggest obstacle for some. Charging at home can be 10 hours. Super fast charging might get that down to an hour? (A pure guess on my part). It's still too long for people today, who have no patience. OK, you can stop and have a leisurely lunch or dinner while charging (assuming you like the fare at fueling stations), but adding a liquid to your car for the next part of the trip will only take maybe 5 minutes, whether it's gasoline, diesel, or hydrogen.
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Or use the right tool for the right job: buy an electric car for a short commute and running around town, and if you go on a long distance trip, rent a hybrid.

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