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May 18, 2022 07:01:15   #
fuminous Loc: Luling, LA... for now...
 
One concept is not charging an EV's battery, but rather exchanging the depleted battery for a fully charged one- like propane bottles. The switching- as was demonstrated by a self driving vehicle- is an automated process, the battery is switched out for one fully charged one. It took about ten minutes.

Adding self driving cars into the mix, EV's don't have to live at your house- they could park/store/charge at a remote location and show up at your front door when summoned. Admittedly, that opens the door to all kinds of theft and abuse... like someone using your vehicle without permission... or, maybe with permission... not unlike folks who buy an airplane then allow others to rent the thing.

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May 18, 2022 07:03:42   #
Walkabout08
 
anotherview wrote:
Examination of the e-car project reveals its shortcomings. Mainly, the project requires a colossal improvement to infrastructure across the nation, on the supposition that this change will commensurately offset a negative impact to the global climate.

My sense tells me that the e-car cannot withstand scrutiny, much less justify its imposition on the nation.

The burden of proving otherwise lies with the project proponents.


Tesla has independently installed a nationwide network of supercharge stations, without public assistance. If you search YouTube you’ll find numerous videos of people driving their Tesla cars across the country. Proof of concept, QED. Is it perfect? Maybe not, but I drive an ev, charge it from my home solar mostly, drive it to northern Maine to ski in the winter without issues of heating comfort or lack of recharging options. It’s fun to drive, more comfortable than my fleet of Jeeps, has all wheel drive for winter. What else can I say, it works for me right now, not in some ideal future.

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May 18, 2022 07:53:39   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
rcarol wrote:
Another issue that we have in California is that the electrical grid is barely sufficient to take care of our needs today let alone what will be required when by 2035 all vehicles sold in California will be electric.


California may not have a lot of choices when it comes to cars in 2035. California is a market it is not the market.

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May 18, 2022 08:07:33   #
whfowle Loc: Tampa first, now Albuquerque
 
Getting people to really think about the practicality of various transportation options is a beginning. There are many issues that are a long way from solutions and some that have no solution like disposal of the highly toxic components. Think nuclear waste and you will begin to see the problem. We talk about social and cultural diversity all the time but there is a bigger diversity issue here that is overlooked. Remember the slogan of don't put all your eggs in the same basket. America has many enemies and it is always harder to defeat us if we have options. Think how much we depend on electric now as well as wi-fi and cellular communication. It will be really easy to shut us down if we don't have robust and practical options in use.

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May 18, 2022 08:19:53   #
sourdough58 Loc: Maine
 
I believe that Hydrogen powdered car is viable, Atoms join together to form molecules. A water molecule has three atoms: two hydrogen (H) atoms and one oxygen, when I clean my cast iron with electricity hydrogen is released we are warned to set up in a well-ventilated area for this reason, storing a container of (H) on a car would be bad and irresponsible But if you can control and use/burn the (H) by adjusting the amount of electricity in the water could make it a usable fuel, I believe this already exist and the pattens are owned by oil co.

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May 18, 2022 08:48:00   #
JimBart Loc: Western Michigan
 
As I have said before… electric vehicles are one way the government will suppress the population. Charging stations will be few and far between and expensive. Travel greater than 150-300 miles will be severely restricted

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May 18, 2022 08:49:39   #
Canonuser Loc: UK and South Africa
 
Frank T wrote:
A more viable option than electric would be the development of the hydrogen-fueled vehicle. The technology already exists and we can use existing gasoline stations to distribute hydrogen with a little effort.
Hydrogen also eliminates the battery issue.
Research has already proven that hydrogen is available, safe, and already in use on a limited basis.

I’m sure electric cars will prove to be an interim measure as many of the issues will prove too costly, even impossible to overcome. Hydrogen or a derivative seems to be more of a long term solution.

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May 18, 2022 09:10:16   #
rplain1 Loc: Dayton, Oh.
 
JRiepe wrote:
Are farmers going to be able to afford electric tractors and combines?


They had no problem affording gasoline tractors and combines to replace their horses.

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May 18, 2022 09:20:40   #
sr71 Loc: In Col. Juan Seguin Land
 
JimBart wrote:
As I have said before… electric vehicles are one way the government will suppress the population. Charging stations will be few and far between and expensive. Travel greater than 150-300 miles will be severely restricted


REALLY???????????

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May 18, 2022 09:26:37   #
avflinsch Loc: Hamilton, New Jersey
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
One really intriguing concept with hydrogen as fuel is that it could negate the need for fuel delivery. Fuel stations could possibly do their own hydrogen creation.


They would still need electricity to do that.
a possibility would be to have a dual fuel/charging station. Electric for EVs and also use the electricity for generate the hydrogen for fuel cell vehicles

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May 18, 2022 09:36:06   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
To many are using “ todays “ technology . To forecast dire warnings about “future “of EV’s. Without considering technology. Will accelerate in the EV arena by leaps and bounds. As more are sold.

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May 18, 2022 09:36:27   #
rplain1 Loc: Dayton, Oh.
 
Bridges wrote:
Back in the North East US we have one situation most other areas of the country do not have. Row Houses. Some of these row homes are a block long. When they were first built the residents would take public transportation or if lucky enough to own a car, the family would have ONE car. Today some of these homes have a car for each parent and maybe two more for late teen drivers. Sometimes a person has to park half a block or more from their residence. It won't at times be possible to get a car close enough to where the owner lives to even use a charging station. And if the family has four cars who is going to stay up at night switching out cars to get each one to the charging station? And won't it be lovely to drive down a street of row homes and have a charging tower in front of each home! I can't see that adding to the curb appeal of these homes. I think the answer to this would be to put the charging stations in the ground with only a 12" dome that could be raised to plug in the charging line. The more we discuss this on UHH, the more negatives we come up with. Think about apartment complexes. A complex of 2500 apartments would require a huge investment in infrastructure remodeling. I think it will be many years before a family would set out on a 1000 mile trip in an electric vehicle. Before we go all electric I think we will see most two car families have one electric and one gas auto. They will use the electric around town and short trips of 100 miles or less and use the gas powered car for long trips. I'm 72 and do not expect to see an all electric motor pool in my lifetime.
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When gasoline powered cars were first built, there were no gas stations. Somehow we found a way to make them universal. I am sure we can find a way to do it again. This constant argument of how electric powered cars will never work is very reminiscent of conversations held 100+ years ago. We found a way to increase oil production to power our cars. I'm sure we can find a way to increase electricity production as well and I'm sure we can also find a way to deliver it no matter where you live.

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May 18, 2022 09:36:30   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Why even go in that direction when the support for it does not exist and cannot exist into the near future?
rdemarco52 wrote:
Electric cars my be viable in the future, but not in the present. It takes too long to charge them, and many areas do not have the grid capacity to support many vehicles being charged. The politicians, as usual, have plunged in without considering all factors. Battery replacement and disposal is a problem, as is the range of these vehicles. We will get there, but it will take some time.

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May 18, 2022 09:39:55   #
DaveyDitzer Loc: Western PA
 
$6 per gallon of diesel is a political price, not a market price

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May 18, 2022 09:42:03   #
rcarol
 
robertjerl wrote:
Main problem I see there is that the combustion/explosive power of hydrogen makes gasoline or gasoline fumes look like a wet firecracker. Remember the "Hindenburg".

A hydrogen car not well maintained or damaged leaks into the closed garage and then the neighborhood suddenly has a large crater.


Regarding the Hindenburg, most of the fire that did the damage was from the diesel fuel used to propel the engines. The diesel fuel being much heavier than air fell on top of the passengers with devestating results. The hydrogen, being much lighter than air flared upward and did little damage.

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