If ROE goes away.
Wuligal wrote:
it all depends on your mind set......some women see carrying a child as exploitation while other women are overjoyed to have a child and still others take pride in being surrogate mothers. The real issue is how do we form one bill to satisfy the needs of every woman, including the unborn females?
...again, I remind you: if a woman desires real control over her body it begins before the first moment of intimacy with a man. An unwanted pregnancy is the result of lack of control over one's own body, not the cause.
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It's NOT always intimacy.
How hard is for you and others to understand?
Men MUST also take responsibility for their actions.
As many have stated, it takes sperm to create a fetus.
Without sperm, there wouldn't be a fetus.
By the way, not all fetuses turn out to be females!
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
It's NOT always intimacy. (Ok, call it sex, or coupling, or intercourse, or getting it on, or doing it, or copulation, or anything else that flips your switch. I was just trying to use a tactful term to identify what I consider to be a very personal issue.)
How hard is for you and others to understand? (Perhaps you too have a few "blind" spots in your understanding of the issue.)
Men MUST also take responsibility for their actions. (I never said they shouldn't. What I said was, " the result of unprotected sex impacts far harder on the woman than the man. With very little effort (the pill, the patch, an IUD, etc.) she can avoid the trauma of an unwanted pregnancy.)
As many have stated, it takes sperm to create a fetus. (Even I know that much)
Without sperm, there wouldn't be a fetus. (You repeat yourself)
By the way, not all fetuses turn out to be females!
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(Should the " movement for (female) control over ones own body" include female fetuses? Just a thought?)
As I said and continue to repeat: Control over your body begins before the first moment of intimacy with a man. An unwanted pregnancy is the result of lack of control over your own body, not the cause.
Ok, let me try again and retype your words.
1. It's NOT always intimacy. (OK, call it sex, or coupling, or intercourse, or gettin it on, or doing it, or copulation, or anything else that flips your switch. I was just trying to use a tactrul term to identify what I consider to be a very personal issue)
2. How hard is for you and others to understand? (Perhaps you too have a few "blind" spots in your understanding of the issue.)
3. Men MUST also take responsibility for their actions. (I never said they shouldn't. What I said was, "the result of unprotected sex impacts far harder on the woman than the man. Common sense tells you that with very little effort (the pill, the patch, an IUD, etc.) the woman can avoid the trauma of an unwanted pregancy.
4. As many have stated, it takes sperm to create a fetus. (Yes, I know that)
5. Without sperm there wouldn't b a fetus. (You repeat yourself)
6. By the way, not all fetuses turn out to be females! (Of course not. What I said/implied was, "is a female fetus granted the same "control" over her body as a pro abortionist?)
Sorry I messed up this post twice.
Wuligal wrote:
(Should the " movement for (female) control over ones own body" include female fetuses? Just a thought?)
As I said and continue to repeat: Control over your body begins before the first moment of intimacy with a man. An unwanted pregnancy is the result of lack of control over your own body, not the cause.
Or, the failure of whatever birth control method one is using. You come from a different era. That's not an insult. There is nothing wrong with coming from a different era, but one has to wonder just how up on today's practices you
are.
Wuligal wrote:
Ok, let me try again and retype your words.
1. It's NOT always intimacy. (OK, call it sex, or coupling, or intercourse, or gettin it on, or doing it, or copulation, or anything else that flips your switch. I was just trying to use a tactrul term to identify what I consider to be a very personal issue)
2. How hard is for you and others to understand? (Perhaps you too have a few "blind" spots in your understanding of the issue.)
3. Men MUST also take responsibility for their actions. (I never said they shouldn't. What I said was, "the result of unprotected sex impacts far harder on the woman than the man. Common sense tells you that with very little effort (the pill, the patch, an IUD, etc.) the woman can avoid the trauma of an unwanted pregancy.
4. As many have stated, it takes sperm to create a fetus. (Yes, I know that)
5. Without sperm there wouldn't b a fetus. (You repeat yourself)
6. By the way, not all fetuses turn out to be females! (Of course not. What I said/implied was, "is a female fetus granted the same "control" over her body as a pro abortionist?)
Sorry I messed up this post twice.
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Are you claiming that a female fetus is competent enough to make decisions?
thom w wrote:
Or, the failure of whatever birth control method one is using. You come from a different era. That's not an insult. There is nothing wrong with coming from a different era, but one has to wonder just how up on today's practices you
are.
If you use it perfectly, the pill is 99% effective. But people aren't perfect and it's easy to forget or miss pills — so in reality the pill is about 91% effective. That means about 9 out of 100 pill users get pregnant each year.
IUDs are one of the best birth control methods out there — more than 99% effective. That means fewer than 1 out of 100 people who use an IUD will get pregnant each year. IUDs are so effective because there's no chance of making a mistake.
99% is a pretty good track record. In response to the 1% of woman that "accidentally" get pregnant. You have fifteen to twenty weeks to remedy the situation.
Wuligal wrote:
(Should the " movement for (female) control over ones own body" include female fetuses? Just a thought?)
As I said and continue to repeat: Control over your body begins before the first moment of intimacy with a man. An unwanted pregnancy is the result of lack of control over your own body, not the cause.
Males MUST take responsibility for their own sexual acts as well, because it takes male sperm to create a fetus.
Wuligal wrote:
Ok, let me try again and retype your words.
1. It's NOT always intimacy. (OK, call it sex, or coupling, or intercourse, or gettin it on, or doing it, or copulation, or anything else that flips your switch. I was just trying to use a tactrul term to identify what I consider to be a very personal issue)
2. How hard is for you and others to understand? (Perhaps you too have a few "blind" spots in your understanding of the issue.)
3. Men MUST also take responsibility for their actions. (I never said they shouldn't. What I said was, "the result of unprotected sex impacts far harder on the woman than the man. Common sense tells you that with very little effort (the pill, the patch, an IUD, etc.) the woman can avoid the trauma of an unwanted pregancy.
4. As many have stated, it takes sperm to create a fetus. (Yes, I know that)
5. Without sperm there wouldn't b a fetus. (You repeat yourself)
6. By the way, not all fetuses turn out to be females! (Of course not. What I said/implied was, "is a female fetus granted the same "control" over her body as a pro abortionist?)
Sorry I messed up this post twice.
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With the overturn of Roe v. Wade, males are also going to suffer!
Males will now be forced to be financially responsible for the lives which they've created with their sperm.
Males will have to work multiple jobs to pay child support, sometimes to multiple mothers because they CHOSE to "sleep around"!
Working multiple jobs will keep those Males from pursuing or completing their higher education, resulting in lower paying jobs.
Do you get the picture that overturning Roe v. Wade doesn't only affect females? It also financially affects males.
Cause and effect.
The consequences of a male's (often spur of the moment) actions will be felt for decades.
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