jimbo70 Loc: Orange Park, FL.

Al Gore is once again pushing his Cap and Trade carbon tax agenda. I wonder why? Could it be that he really cares about the earth even though the global warming people Fudged the numbers? Or, could it be that he is a founding member of the Chicago Carbon Exchange and would make millions if it starts trading in carbon? Oh, you’ll never guess who one of the attorneys was that set it up. Your president!

tlbuljac Loc: Oklahoma

BOOOOOO :thumbdown:

Remoman Loc: Someplace Remote Near LA

I am terribly puzzled.
Cap and Trade is based on monetary reward; a very capitalistic premise.
So, why is it opposed by repubs?
And did not repubs originally propose it in the Reagan Administration and actually put in place by GW Bush?

Why is it poison now?

jimbo70 Loc: Orange Park, FL.

All I remember is that from day one the people against it (Not the enviromentalist) said that it would cripple our manufacuring and cost everyone more in the form of higher prices for energy. It doesn't matter where it came from but it's a road we don't want to go down.

workhorse Loc: Nashville, TN

Amen jimbo!!

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ted45 Loc: Delaware

Here is a fairly good article on the Cap and Trade issue. http://www.sfgate.com/science/article/State-a-pioneer-of-cap-and-trade-4027022.php

What I find most interesting is this sentence: 'Now public concern about climate change is rising again, fueled by Superstorm Sandy's rampage through New York and New Jersey. ' Katrina rampaging through the South is not a result of global warming but a storm hitting New York is.

If you study the history of climate on this planet it is obvious that we go through periods of extreme weather change. If you look at the history of industry polluting the enviornment you find that we have come a long way in cleaning our enviormnent over the past 100 years but things were worse before we started using machines to build things. Pollution is so bad in Beijing that people have to wear masks in order to breathe so capping so-called green house gases in California is going to improve the enviornment. How does that work?

I have to agree that this is just one more scheme by a few rich insiders to suck even more money out of our pockets.

ole sarg Loc: south florida

Never thought I would agree with Ted45 but he is right.

There were more hurricanes in the 30s and 40s I think than now. The NOAH site has a list by year. There are also pics and paintings of the glaciers in Norway marching up and down some valley. So climate change is a natural occurrence.

But, we have strong scientific evidence that the change is occurring at a more rapid pace since mankind has become a carbon user. Coincidence, maybe but the science seems to point otherwise.

But, what I am for is clean air. If a reduction in carbon emissions does that then I am for it. As a matter of fact so is Bill ORielly who is far from a tree hugger.

As for China and India I really don't care about them, they will address their problems when they can afford to. Environmentalism is an addressable problem for the rich, while the poor worry about food and shelter.

workhorse Loc: Nashville, TN

Thank you Ted for your last sentence. You have a gift for the understatement. I live where one of Al Gore's mansion is and its carbon footprint is huge, but he has made millions off this con-game.

jamitjim73 Loc: Franklin,Tn.

where did gore live in belle meade?

ted45 Loc: Delaware

I would agree with you about China and India except for the fact that the winds and pollution don't stay there. They will eventually reach us. We can clean all the air we want but in order to effect the "planet" every one has to get into the act.

Remoman Loc: Someplace Remote Near LA

Perhaps if we acted first, then put laws in place that penalized polluters, others would follow?

macc Loc: Ventura, Ca.

I would tax mosquitos. The different bacteria they carry result in diseases that kill more people every year than any other source. Hell--Put a bounty on them! That would put a lot of people back to work, especially in those poor countries. You would have to hire carcass counters, and supervisors, and payroll clerks, and supervisors for them-- Once that is handled, we go after the flies....

singleviking Loc: Lake Sebu Eco Park, Philippines

Ole sarge,
The total count for hurricanes per year may have been greater back in the 30's and 40's, but the path, intensity and eventual devistation generated has increased dramatically since then. With rising sea levels where parts of Virginia are now having water on their streets during high tides, when a real hurricane with it's surge tide comes along, the damage can be devistating to all living in that area.
You say you are not concerned about the polution coming out of China and India from electricity generated by coal? Well the prevailing winds of this planet go west to east so all that polution will eventually get to the USA. They had to power down many coal fired power plants during the Olympic games in China just to clear the air. It also generated RED TIDES that killed millions of fish in their bays and rivers.
If you search NOAH data, you will see that projections show that both poles have significantly reduced ice caps, our oceans levels have risen almost 12" since the 30's, and weather patterns have significantly altered causing droughts, flooding of millions of acres of coastal lands worldwide and caused the relocation of millions of residents in both third world and major power countries. The Army Corps of Engineers has bolstered the dike and water handling capabilities for New Orleans, but even this will not stem the increase of flooding events from future hurricanes if our oceans rise to levels not seen since the age of dinosaurs.
The Cap and Trade system is a method to charge those that use massive amounts of poluting energy and reinvest that tax into areas that can grow rain forrests and untouched areas instead of those areas being clear cut and deforrested for poor farmland that will eventually be stripped of it's topsoil by rain and runoffs.
With the failure of much of the corn crop in the USA this year, there will be increased prices for the gas additive we all use (10% of all gasoline is now alchohol generated from corn)
If we don't do something to correct our past mistakes in world pollution and energy arrogance, we are destined to suffer devistating consiquences.
Global warming is not fiction or some profit plot by environmentalists. It's the energy and coal lobby that's publishing and promoting all this controdictory and unsupported propoganda. Wake up and smell the air pollution and see what's happening worldwide. This is not a domestic issue but a world wide issue that needs to be addressed.

Bmac Loc: Long Island, NY

I believe the term now is "Climate Change", so that all weather phenomena can come under the umbrella. A recent study by the MET Office of the UK appears to show that "Global Warming," has not occurred for the last 16 years. Whether this is so or not will certainly be debated.

The point is to use the term "Climate Change," then who cares if the earth is warming or not, no matter what happens the term covers it.

I can actually still remember, not that long ago, when scientists were predicting global cooling and a new Ice Age. I guess if and when that ever happens we can simply build more factories and coal plants to slow it down. Now that would get the economy rolling. 8-)

tom hughes Loc: Phila Pa

Like all think tank programs, they evolve exponentially, once they can be maneuvered and schemed into money for the likes of Al Gore. Basically Cap & Trade will allow the EPA to fine polluters. The main polluters will be your neighborhood Utility. Since the government,has, within a few percentage points, maxed out its ability to take any more of our income without a riot. They will fine the Power Companies, depending on their Carbon profile, could be a Billion dollars or more. They will pay the fine to the Federal Government & then cover the fine in your monthly bill. Most estimates , it will double your rate. So the Government will collect Billions, you & I will pay. They just won't have to call it a tax. As far as the Chicago Carbon exchange, that person is correct. After being fined & paying. The Utility will also have to buy Carbon Credits from the exchange. The credits consist of parcels of forest, purchased by Investors, nothing more than trees. Each tree represents a Carbon Credit, The Power Company buys, the owners of these trees profit & you & I pay through the nose, for nothing. Nothing changes. The Power Companies continue to pollute, but because they buy these credits and pay the fines, they continue to operate as usual. Its just you & I who actually will pay if Cap & Trade is passed. Just like Health Care its just another form of taxation.