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Holy Crap! Never Saw This Coming! According to Politico SCOTUS has Overturned Roe v Wade.
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May 3, 2022 13:00:44   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
In my opinion if republican state legislatures try to make abortion illegal in their states it will damage the Republican Party not only within their states but possibly even more so on the national level. I think that polling demonstrates that the country does not want to see abortion outlawed but polling also suggests that a majority wants to see reasonable restrictions be placed on abortion that protects the unborn child before the 24 week period that Roe established. Alito's published position in this case is one that I have argued for years, that the court exceeded its charter in deciding Roe but at the same time the country has come to accept the early term abortions and if states try to outlaw early term abortion then we will see an energized effort to affirm their availability on a national level. Already we are seeing calls to pack the court, if the democrats succeed in gaining seats in the Senate and holding the House because of an energized base I am afraid that we may indeed see two new states admitted to the Union as well as a 15 member SCOTUS.

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May 3, 2022 15:37:25   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
The issue at hand is that neither SCOTUS nor the Feds have the power/right to legislate abortions; it is a State matter.

But not a single person has yet answered my question as to WHY it should be only a state issue and not a nation-wide equality decision or law. Falling back on the idea that "if it is not in The Constitution then if falls up the state" is a copout.

Abortion rights and equality for women throughout America should not depend on the State in which a person resides... or chooses to visit in order to secure a medical procedure that she could not have in her home state.

C'mon, folks, use some common sense on this matter.

NOTE: my point has nothing to do with the age of the fetus or the circumstances under which a later term abortion might be permitted. It is simply Federal vs State for something that should apply equally "from sea to shining sea."

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May 3, 2022 15:59:46   #
btbg
 
JohnFrim wrote:
The issue at hand is that neither SCOTUS nor the Feds have the power/right to legislate abortions; it is a State matter.

But not a single person has yet answered my question as to WHY it should be only a state issue and not a nation-wide equality decision or law. Falling back on the idea that "if it is not in The Constitution then if falls up the state" is a copout.

Abortion rights and equality for women throughout America should not depend on the State in which a person resides... or chooses to visit in order to secure a medical procedure that she could not have in her home state.

C'mon, folks, use some common sense on this matter.

NOTE: my point has nothing to do with the age of the fetus or the circumstances under which a later term abortion might be permitted. It is simply Federal vs State for something that should apply equally "from sea to shining sea."
The issue at hand is that neither SCOTUS nor the F... (show quote)


Falling back on the position that if it is not in the Constitution it is up to the states is not a cop out, because the Constitution specifically states that if a power is not given to the federal government in the Constitution then it is a state issue and not a federal issue.

10th Amendment
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

It is never a cop out to actually follow the Constitution.

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May 3, 2022 16:01:00   #
btbg
 
DennyT wrote:
Why would it take passing a law off the table. ?


10th amendment.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Abortion is not delegated the the United States by the Constitution so it is reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

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May 3, 2022 16:08:51   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
JohnFrim wrote:
The issue at hand is that neither SCOTUS nor the Feds have the power/right to legislate abortions; it is a State matter.

But not a single person has yet answered my question as to WHY it should be only a state issue and not a nation-wide equality decision or law. Falling back on the idea that "if it is not in The Constitution then if falls up the state" is a copout.

Abortion rights and equality for women throughout America should not depend on the State in which a person resides... or chooses to visit in order to secure a medical procedure that she could not have in her home state.

C'mon, folks, use some common sense on this matter.

NOTE: my point has nothing to do with the age of the fetus or the circumstances under which a later term abortion might be permitted. It is simply Federal vs State for something that should apply equally "from sea to shining sea."
The issue at hand is that neither SCOTUS nor the F... (show quote)


You somehow miss the point that the government gets it's authority from the people, and the powers that the people granted to the government were outlined in a charter called the constitution. The federal government does not have authority that is not granted to it by the constitution, how hard is that for you to understand John? If you think that there needs to be change to the constitution then lobby your liberal friends to pass an amendment to the constitution.

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May 3, 2022 18:00:47   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
JohnFrim wrote:
The issue at hand is that neither SCOTUS nor the Feds have the power/right to legislate abortions; it is a State matter.

But not a single person has yet answered my question as to WHY it should be only a state issue and not a nation-wide equality decision or law. Falling back on the idea that "if it is not in The Constitution then if falls up the state" is a copout.

Abortion rights and equality for women throughout America should not depend on the State in which a person resides... or chooses to visit in order to secure a medical procedure that she could not have in her home state.

C'mon, folks, use some common sense on this matter.

NOTE: my point has nothing to do with the age of the fetus or the circumstances under which a later term abortion might be permitted. It is simply Federal vs State for something that should apply equally "from sea to shining sea."
The issue at hand is that neither SCOTUS nor the F... (show quote)


Simple

It’s not a federal issue because it is does not fall under one of the enumerated powers granted to the federal government.

Maybe it should be but never was and wasn’t something the founders considered. If so Then amend the constitution. But until then it is not a federal issue .

Yes with the division it causes across the nation by far the best place for the resolution Is indeed at the federal level. I wish it were but alas that is not the case.

That said if it is at the state it should be decided by referendum and not by whichever political party on power.

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May 3, 2022 18:45:07   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
You guys who are citing the "not in The Constitution" argument are completely missing the point.

THERE IS NOTHING UNIQUE ABOUT ABORTION IN ONE STATE VS ANOTHER STATE!!!!!!

Amend the effing Constitution!!!!!!! That's what the amendment process is for.

The Founding Fathers NEVER considered abortion as something that needed regulation at either State OR Federal level. Yep, they were not infallible, and they missed something that needs addressing AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL!!! There is simply ZERO JUSTIFICATION to have different abortion regulations in different states. THAT IS MY POINT.

You simply cannot have a "United" States of America when something this important that crosses race, religion, age, and yes -- State Lines -- is not consistent across the country.

And yes, the people should make that choice and not a political party. But do it as a national issue.


And while you are at it, re-amend the stupid 2nd Amendment... nationally!!!!!!

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May 3, 2022 19:16:25   #
dakotacheryl Loc: Near Mt Rushmore
 
We are a Constitutional Republic. This allows for the voters in each state to make decisions. Federal powers are SUPPOSED to be limited and NOT all encompassing.

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May 3, 2022 19:29:55   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
dakotacheryl wrote:
We are a Constitutional Republic. This allows for the voters in each state to make decisions. Federal powers are SUPPOSED to be limited and NOT all encompassing.


How would you feel if you could badmouth your president in one state but not in another? Don’t you think there might be a few things your founding fathers may not have considered but that should be consistent across the country?

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May 3, 2022 19:38:10   #
dakotacheryl Loc: Near Mt Rushmore
 
JohnFrim wrote:
How would you feel if you could badmouth your president in one state but not in another? Don’t you think there might be a few things your founding fathers may not have considered but that should be consistent across the country?


Military and interstate highway system comes to mind. Oh, and border security.

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May 3, 2022 19:39:19   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
JohnFrim wrote:
How would you feel if you could badmouth your president in one state but not in another? Don’t you think there might be a few things your founding fathers may not have considered but that should be consistent across the country?


That is why we have the first amendment, there are certain individual rights that supersede the powers of either the states or the federal government.

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May 3, 2022 19:51:19   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
That is why we have the first amendment, there are certain individual rights that supersede the powers of either the states or the federal government.


Kind of shocked that he didn't now this.

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May 3, 2022 20:01:56   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
Racmanaz wrote:
Kind of shocked that he didn't now this.


Rac, ya gotta keep up. It was a ridiculous example to make a point.

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May 3, 2022 20:05:51   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
dakotacheryl wrote:
Military and interstate highway system comes to mind. Oh, and border security.


Good start. How about a few more? In fact, given how interconnected things are today I see little that needs to be different between the “United” States.

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May 3, 2022 20:05:57   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
JohnFrim wrote:
Rac, ya gotta keep up. It was a ridiculous example to make a point.


Well, the point was silly. :)

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