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Apr 30, 2022 09:10:00   #
02Nomad Loc: Catonsville, MD
 
In May of 2017, my wife and I went to Utah to visit Bryce, Zion and the North Rim. It was chilly in the morning, but warmed up as the day progressed. Prior to visiting the north rim, we stayed in Kanab, UT. If you stay there, I would HIGHLY recommend that you stop at the Visitor Center. They offer a wealth of information about the multitude of movies and TV shows that were filmed in the vicinity. They also recommended a tour (in a Hummer) that was excellent! The gentleman told us before we boarded that the tour would last about 2 hours (it lasted 3!), he also told us that the cost was $99 each, but you only had to pay at the end of the tour if you enjoyed it (we did!).

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Apr 30, 2022 09:51:28   #
alberio Loc: Casa Grande AZ
 
Mario22 wrote:
Last year the extended family (3 grandparents, 2 parents and 3 grandkids) toured Acadia, Mn. Actually went very well, so now I’m stuck planning a 3 park trip for next Spring. Since I haven’t been that far West before (NY) I could use some suggestions. Grandparents probably will not hike far while everyone else likes to hike.
1) is it feasible to visit all 3 parks in mid April? Is snow or cold a problem then?
2) allowing 2 days for travel, would 7 days be enough time to see some of the highlights? Obviously you could spend weeks touring them and a lifetime knowing them; but we have 7 days.
3) are there any motels etc that you would recommend staying at? We don’t like to rough it.
4) are there any guides or tours that you would recommend?
5) any websites/uTube videos, guide books and maps would you recommend?
6) I plan on bringing a Canon R5/6, 24-105, 16mm RF or 14mm Rokinion, and 70-200. Will that give me any glaring gaps in coverage? Not looking into doing wildlife photos.
That’s a lot of questions and I thank those of you who can provide suggestions for any of them.
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Zion Canyon Campground and RV Park is one place you could stay for your Zion adventure. You can also make Bryce Canyon and Cedar Breaks a nice day trip from here. We are the closest and only RV Park just outside Zion National Park. Not only that we have brand new cabins built by the Amish in Pennsylvania that are sure to make your stay enjoyable and the views are to die for.


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Apr 30, 2022 09:57:37   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
We did the Utah canyons the last week in April. No crowds, decent weather. Don’t miss Arches and Canyonlands, they’re close together, stay in Moab. We stayed near Kanab for Bryce, Zion, and GC. The North Rim was still closed so we took a 2 1/2 hour drive around to the South Rim.Well worth the trip. Used my Sigma 10-20mm on my D7000 for all my shots. Worked out great.

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Apr 30, 2022 09:58:16   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
therwol wrote:
Don't forget that these destinations are at relatively high altitude. The South Rim of the Grand Canyon is at 7000 feet. The North Rim is at 8000 feet. This might not bother most people coming up from sea level, however others may be at risk of altitude sickness if the ascent isn't gradual over a few days. Also, anyone with heart or lung problems might suffer in this environment, even at rest.


I just looked up altitude sickness at the Grand Canyon. Basically speaking there is no risk to anyone visiting the Grand Canyon, that is driving there and looking around. Most aircraft, the source says, are pressurized at 6-8000 feet elevation. The Grand Canyon is at 7000 feet.

I do suffer altitude sickness when hunting at 10,000 feet elevation, severe headache, vomiting, dizziness and so on. It takes me about a full day to acclimate. But that is ONLY if I am hiking, climbing. I regularly fish a lake at 9000 feet and can stay a week with no ill effects at all.

I don't post links well so did not post one here. Anyone can look up, altitude sickness at the Grand Canyon, and get the same information I did.

Dennis

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Apr 30, 2022 10:35:11   #
Mario22 Loc: Albany, NY
 
neillaubenthal wrote:
Too much for 7 days…I would skip GC in that case and do Zion and Bryce…There’s a place in Bryce City named Ruby’s…we camped there in RV but they have hotel rooms too. Election will be an issue…particularly at Bryce…if it was me I would stay in Zion and do a long day trip to Bryce and not try to hike the latter. Page AZ with Antelope Cnypns is a lot closer to Zion than GC is and is another reasonable day trip. Weather will still likely be cool but that late snow is less likely. Stop by Cedar Breaks on the way to or from Zion to Bryce…same scenery and essentially no people.
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I am beginning to see the benefits of skipping the Grand Canyon on this trip. Although, if we end up going in the Summer we could stay longer. That’s maybe another option but not my choice alone to make. Thx!

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Apr 30, 2022 10:36:43   #
Mario22 Loc: Albany, NY
 
02Nomad wrote:
In May of 2017, my wife and I went to Utah to visit Bryce, Zion and the North Rim. It was chilly in the morning, but warmed up as the day progressed. Prior to visiting the north rim, we stayed in Kanab, UT. If you stay there, I would HIGHLY recommend that you stop at the Visitor Center. They offer a wealth of information about the multitude of movies and TV shows that were filmed in the vicinity. They also recommended a tour (in a Hummer) that was excellent! The gentleman told us before we boarded that the tour would last about 2 hours (it lasted 3!), he also told us that the cost was $99 each, but you only had to pay at the end of the tour if you enjoyed it (we did!).
In May of 2017, my wife and I went to Utah to visi... (show quote)


Thx so much! Grandkids would love the Hummer ride!

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Apr 30, 2022 10:38:42   #
Mario22 Loc: Albany, NY
 
gvarner wrote:
We did the Utah canyons the last week in April. No crowds, decent weather. Don’t miss Arches and Canyonlands, they’re close together, stay in Moab. We stayed near Kanab for Bryce, Zion, and GC. The North Rim was still closed so we took a 2 1/2 hour drive around to the South Rim.Well worth the trip. Used my Sigma 10-20mm on my D7000 for all my shots. Worked out great.


You were able to visit all 3 in a week? Yes, I did forget about Arches; definitely a necessary stop. Thx

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Apr 30, 2022 10:41:00   #
Mario22 Loc: Albany, NY
 
dennis2146 wrote:
I just looked up altitude sickness at the Grand Canyon. Basically speaking there is no risk to anyone visiting the Grand Canyon, that is driving there and looking around. Most aircraft, the source says, are pressurized at 6-8000 feet elevation. The Grand Canyon is at 7000 feet.

I do suffer altitude sickness when hunting at 10,000 feet elevation, severe headache, vomiting, dizziness and so on. It takes me about a full day to acclimate. But that is ONLY if I am hiking, climbing. I regularly fish a lake at 9000 feet and can stay a week with no ill effects at all.

I don't post links well so did not post one here. Anyone can look up, altitude sickness at the Grand Canyon, and get the same information I did.

Dennis
I just looked up altitude sickness at the Grand Ca... (show quote)


Thanks, Dennis. That gives me some hope that us grandparents won’t be affected. Younger folks will be fine. I’ll look for the link/info. Thx

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Apr 30, 2022 10:43:06   #
Mario22 Loc: Albany, NY
 
alberio wrote:
Zion Canyon Campground and RV Park is one place you could stay for your Zion adventure. You can also make Bryce Canyon and Cedar Breaks a nice day trip from here. We are the closest and only RV Park just outside Zion National Park. Not only that we have brand new cabins built by the Amish in Pennsylvania that are sure to make your stay enjoyable and the views are to die for.


Thx for the picture to share with others. It’s an idea as I would love to do some astrophotography while there. Thx!

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Apr 30, 2022 10:48:06   #
Mario22 Loc: Albany, NY
 
ahudina wrote:
I can address item #4. I was on a 11 day shoot in Utah about a month ago it was sponsored by PhotoPills and the local tour company was Action Photo Tours out of Kanab. Our guide was David Swindler who owns Action photo tours. I highly recommend both him and his company. Very organized and professional and very dedicated to customer service. I would use them again without hesitation.


This might be perfect for me as I want to do some astrophotography. I don’t think the grandkids have ever seen the Milky Way bc of all the light pollution in suburbia. Thx for the info, much appreciated.

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Apr 30, 2022 11:06:28   #
Mario22 Loc: Albany, NY
 
mdoing wrote:
We stayed at Zion for Christmas a few years ago and had no snow problems, there was a dusting at Bryce, did a day trip from there to Bryce Canyon, both are awesome. Have not been to Grand Canyon yet except to raft it. Your family will love the west! Might be freezing in the morning and warm/hot in the afternoon, you can never tell. Remember the best photos are at dawn when all the kids are still asleep!


Thx, hadn’t considered Christmas time. Problem is I might be asleep with the grandkids/1

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Apr 30, 2022 11:11:51   #
Mario22 Loc: Albany, NY
 
ELNikkor wrote:
We did almost the same thing in 2020/2021. 2021 was Acadia, 2020 was Arches, Bryce, Las Vegas, Grand Canyon, Monument Valley area. Grand Canyon, Vegas, Bryce, Monument Valley area were all just one day/one night each, Arches was 2 days & nights. Kind of whirlwind, but was enough for us. Nikon D750, 24-120 f4 lens 98% of all photos.


It’s nice to know that it might be possible. Not a thorough exploration of all the parks but a quick highlights that won’t bore the grandkids.

What time of year did you visit the Western parks? Thx

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Apr 30, 2022 11:20:55   #
alberio Loc: Casa Grande AZ
 
Mario22 wrote:
Thx for the picture to share with others. It’s an idea as I would love to do some astrophotography while there. Thx!


I've gotten decent images right from the campground an just a short drive will get you excellent night skies.

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Apr 30, 2022 11:25:33   #
Mario22 Loc: Albany, NY
 
knessr wrote:
I've been to all of these parks multiple times, so here are some recommendations based on my expereinces:
Byrce Canyon - the averages in weather for April is a high of 54, low of 29 and 8 inches of snow. By comparison, Sep. is 70 high, 42 low and 0.1 inches of snow. In my opinion, Sep is the best month to go. By then school is back in session and the crowds have thinned out. As far as lodging, there is a Best Western Plus Ruby's Inn and Best Western Bryce Canyon Grand Hotel right outside the park. Bryce is a good place to take a trail ride in amoung the Hoodoos. Also when driving the route to see all of the highlights, drive to the far end and start working your way back. The majority of pulloffs will be on your right making it easy to pull in and back out without having to cross oncoming traffic.

Zion - We worked there for two months two different years, so I know that park like the back of my hand. It is about 90 miles from Bryce Canyon to Zion. Zion is a lot lower in elevations, so it is warmer. Sep. is also a great month to go there as the weather averages are 91 for a high, 61 low and only 1.0 of rain and no snow. Lodging in the park is at the Zion Lodge. Unlike many other National Park lodges, there are no rooms in the lodge itself, but instead small rustic cabins. Just outside the park in Springdale, UT are several namebrand hotels to choose from.

For your hikers, two stand out and are the flagship hikes in Zion - Angel's Landing and the Narrows. Angel's landing is a demanding hike and those that are doing it should be in good shape. Many people stop at Scout's landing, but the brave continue on for the last half-mile on up to Angel's Landing. That last part is not for the faint of heart. On that last part, there is a chain to hang onto as you make your way to the top. In some places the walkway is only 3 feet wide with a drop-oof on one side of 1200' and the other about 800'. And people coming down are hanging on to the same chain as the people going up, so patience and coorporation is the key. And no there are no gaurdrails or fences on the edges.

As far as the Narrows, you are hiking in the Virgin River. Many of the people doing it go up as far as Wall Street, turn around and come back. That takes about 5 hours to do. Be sure to have a walking stick so that you have a third hand as you will be wlaking over and around slick rocks that are on the bottom of the river. As far as depth, it runs between ankle deep and chest high . Keep the things you carry with you in a dry pack. There are outfitters in Springdale where you can rent a walking stick, dry pack and other things you may want for the hike. Otherwise, there are several other hikes in the park that are less demanding. Also, the East Side is altogether different than the West side. There is a tunnel that separates the two.

There is also horseback riding at Zion, but the ride will not be as dramatic as it is at Bryce.

Grand Canyon. As mentioned there are two Rims to this national park - the North and South. The North Rim is closed from about mid-Oct to Mid-May depending on the weather. It is about a 40-minute drive from the Jacob's Lake turnoff to the park and that road is not plowed in the winter. It is about a 209 mile drive to get from one rim to the other as there is not a road going directly between the two. Some people like to do the rim to rim hile which is about 10 milies - very demanding miles. There is lodging at both rims in maddition to several hotels right outside the south entrance to the South Rime is the little town of Tusayan.

As far as weather the averages for the South Rim in Sep are 76 for a high, 437 for a low. 1.56 " of rain. For the North Rim, the highs in Sep are 69, low of 39 and 1.99 " rain. The South Rim has mule rides on the trail that goes from the rim down into the canyon, but be sure to reserves months in advance if that is something you want to do.

The South Rim is aboout 1,000' lower than the North Rim. So the South is around 7,000' and the North at 8,297'. My wife is fine at the South Rim, but starts experiencing some effects of altitude sickness at the North Rim.

You could actually do a circle of these three National Parks stopping first at the North Rim, then Bryce, Zion and around through Las Vegas and to the South Rim.

If you have any more questions, please let me know. Someone mentioned Arches N.P That is also a nice park, but quite a ways out of your way for the time you have.

Oh ... to give you an idea on distance, it is about 500 miles from the North Rim, to Bryce, Zion and to the South Rim. Mapquest is showing drive time at 9 hours and 43 minutes. Seven days is not a lot of time, but for these three parks, but it is doable and a trip that you will remember for along time!
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Thx so much for taking the time to send me so much information. I appreciate it! I have to consult with the other adults to see if late Summer or near an October school vacation time might be possible. School for the grandkids is the limiting factor. Although, a couple adults could fly out for a short 3-4 day trip to parks closer to Las Vegas or do some astrophotography. I also wonder about whether to try including the GC though to come that far and not seems a real shame. I may have more questions as plans proceed. Thx again!

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Apr 30, 2022 11:28:09   #
Mario22 Loc: Albany, NY
 
alberio wrote:
I've gotten decent images right from the campground an just a short drive will get you excellent night skies.


Perfect! Thx

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