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Apr 11, 2022 13:17:19   #
Royce Moss Loc: Irvine, CA
 
Thank for the update C. I am ordering the Tokina today. I found a like new at MPB for $290

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Apr 11, 2022 13:20:11   #
ricardo00
 
amfoto1 wrote:
This shot of a tree frog is excellent...

HOWEVER, the image EXIF says it was done with a 300mm focal length lens on a D7100 (not a Tamron 90mm on a D7200).

???


Oops sorry! You are correct, I must have switched lens/camera while photographing this frog and put both shots into my macro album on flickr. Just removed it from there. Thanks for correcting this. So maybe the 300mm f/4 can be used as a macro! I may have switched since it jumped when I got too close (the advantage of longer macros). The shot of this frog with the macro lens is this one:


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Apr 11, 2022 13:28:38   #
Royce Moss Loc: Irvine, CA
 
Wow this what I am looking for. Ordered the Tokina today. Thanks for your input

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Apr 11, 2022 14:34:44   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
Canisdirus wrote:
The Tokina is sharper than the new Tam as well.
In fact...this particular Tokina lens reputation is as good or better than any Canon or Nikon dslr macro.
Occasionally, Tokina makes a serious winner of a lens...this is one of those...and at 400 bucks...a steal.


No, it simply is not.

But don't take my word for it, see for yourself:

Tokina AT-X Pro 100mm versus Tamron 90mm VR #F017: https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=958&Camera=453&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=1046&Sample=0&CameraComp=453&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

Tokina AT-X Pro 100mm versus Sigma 105mm OS: https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=958&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=790&CameraComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

Tokina AT-X Pro 100mm versus Micro-Nikkor 105mm VR: https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=958&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=645&CameraComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

Tokina AT-X Pro 100mm versus Canon 100mm L IS: https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=958&Camera=453&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=674&Sample=0&CameraComp=453&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

At f/2.8 the Tokina is the softest of all the above lenses in the image corners and mid-frame. One macro lens with similar softness at f/2.8 aperture is the following...

Tokina AT-X Pro 100mm versus Sony 90mm OSS: https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=958&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=1019&CameraComp=1175&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

This is NOT a knock against the Tokina. It certainly is a very good value for the money and has a lot of nice features. But it has some shortcomings that need to be acknowledged and it does no one any good to provide incorrect information.

1. All these macro lenses, including the Tokina AT-X Pro 100mm, sharpen up nicely as they're stopped down... by f/8 they are pretty much equal. Since macro lenses are often stopped down due to the very shallow depth of field they render at high magnifications, this is certainly a consideration.

2. The original poster, Royce, plans to use the macro lens he chooses on an APS-C (DX) camera... a Nikon D7200. This will crop away the corners of the images shown at all the above links, so he would see less of the Tokina's softness.

3. Of all the above, only the Tokina in the Nikon F-mount version is motorless, requiring an in-camera focusing motor to be able to autofocus. This is not a problem for Royce with his current camera because it has that motor, but may be a consideration for use on any other Nikon cameras in the future. This also may or may not be a problem since a lot of macro shooters prefer to use manual focus anyway. It may be more of a concern to someone planning to use the lens for non-macro purposes, too.

4. Of all the above, only the Tokina doesn't offer instant AF override. You have to switch the AF off (using the unique "focus clutch" mechanism) before you can manually focus the lens. This may be a concern if planning to use AF a lot and wanting to be able to fine tune focus manually. All the other lenses this can be done immediately.

5. Of all the above, only the Tokina is NOT an internal focusing lens. This allows it to be more compact when set to infinity for storage, but makes it longer than some of the other lenses when focused all the way to maximum 1:1 magnification. The result will often be less working distance between subject and the front of the Tokina lens. This may be a consideration if trying to photography shy critters or by increasing risk of casting a shadow over the subject.

6. Of all the above, the Tokina has the simplest focus limiter... a two stage type that allows full range or non-macro range. All the other lenses have three-stage limiters that also feature a macro-only range.

7. Of all the above, only the Tokina lacks optical image stabilization. This feature is nice to have on telephotos in particular, but is of somewhat limited help at higher magnifications. This may not matter much to folks planning to use a tripod, which is common for macro photography. Flash can also act to reduce camera shake blur and is used for a lot of macro photography. Note: Of the above lenses, only the Canon 100mm can optionally be fitted with a tripod mounting ring.

8. On a positive note the Tokina has the most recessed front element of the above lenses. While it's not terribly deep, it may not require use of it's lens hood in some situations, which might increase working distance compared to the other lenses with their hoods installed.

9. The Tokina also is quite well made (as are most Tokina lenses). But so are all the other lenses listed above.

10. Another positive note, the other lenses above cost 1.5X, 2X or even 3X what the Tokina sells for!

11. The Tokina uses a 9-blade aperture with traditional, straight blades. This makes for excellent 18-point "sunstars". All the other lenses above use curved aperture blades that might make for slightly nicer background blur in certain conditions, but make for pretty lousy sunstars! Some of the other lenses might also use an 8-blade aperture, making for less interesting 8-point sunstars.

12. The current ATX-i Pro version of the Tokina appears to be identical to the previous AT-X Pro version, except for some external cosmetic updating. If buying used, I'd consider either version. Note that there also was a much earlier AT-X version that doesn't have "Pro" on it's label, works as and is labelled as an "IF" lens, and was made prior to 2006. I really don't know how common it is or how it's image quality and AF performance compares to the later two versions.

I think it's fair to say Tokina has kept their 100mm macro lens one of the most affordable by making some compromises in the lens' design and features. Some of those compromises may have little to no effect for a lot of users. But if concerned, there are alternatives... at higher prices. I also don't know why Tokina didn't put a focusing motor in the Nikon version of the lens. After all, it sells for the same price as the Canon and Sony versions, both of which have micro motors built in! Note: the Sony version is now called a "FiRIN FE" lens instead of AT-X or ATX-i. This Sony version used to be quite a bit more expensive than the Canon or Nikon versions... but recently was reduced to the same price.

The Tokina AT-X Pro or ATX-i Pro lenses are solid and quite usable as macro lenses or as short telephotos. I'd call these Tokina "very good" and "fully capable of making very, very nice images". I'd rank most of the other lenses listed above as "excellent and capable of making superb images", but also considerably more expensive than the Tokina!

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Apr 11, 2022 14:43:50   #
ricardo00
 
amfoto1 wrote:
No, it simply is not.

But don't take my word for it, see for yourself:

Tokina AT-X Pro 100mm versus Tamron 90mm VR #F017: https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=958&Camera=453&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=1046&Sample=0&CameraComp=453&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

Tokina AT-X Pro 100mm versus Sigma 105mm OS: https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=958&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=790&CameraComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

Tokina AT-X Pro 100mm versus Micro-Nikkor 105mm VR: https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=958&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=645&CameraComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

Tokina AT-X Pro 100mm versus Canon 100mm L IS: https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=958&Camera=453&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=674&Sample=0&CameraComp=453&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

At f/2.8 the Tokina is the softest of all the above lenses in the image corners and mid-frame. One macro lens with similar softness at f/2.8 aperture is the following...

Tokina AT-X Pro 100mm versus Sony 90mm OSS: https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=958&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=1019&CameraComp=1175&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

This is NOT a knock against the Tokina. It certainly is a very good value for the money and has a lot of nice features. But it has some shortcomings that need to be acknowledged and it does no one any good to provide incorrect information.

1. All these macro lenses, including the Tokina AT-X Pro 100mm, sharpen up nicely as they're stopped down... by f/8 they are pretty much equal. Since macro lenses are often stopped down due to the very shallow depth of field they render at high magnifications, this is certainly a consideration.

2. The original poster, Royce, plans to use the macro lens he chooses on an APS-C (DX) camera... a Nikon D7200. This will crop away the corners of the images shown at all the above links, so he would see less of the Tokina's softness.

3. Of all the above, only the Tokina in the Nikon F-mount version is motorless, requiring an in-camera focusing motor to be able to autofocus. This is not a problem for Royce with his current camera because it has that motor, but may be a consideration for use on any other Nikon cameras in the future. This also may or may not be a problem since a lot of macro shooters prefer to use manual focus anyway. It may be more of a concern to someone planning to use the lens for non-macro purposes, too.

4. Of all the above, only the Tokina doesn't offer instant AF override. You have to switch the AF off (using the unique "focus clutch" mechanism) before you can manually focus the lens. This may be a concern if planning to use AF a lot and wanting to be able to fine tune focus manually. All the other lenses this can be done immediately.

5. Of all the above, only the Tokina is NOT an internal focusing lens. This allows it to be more compact when set to infinity for storage, but makes it longer than some of the other lenses when focused all the way to maximum 1:1 magnification. The result will often be less working distance between subject and the front of the Tokina lens. This may be a consideration if trying to photography shy critters or by increasing risk of casting a shadow over the subject.

6. Of all the above, the Tokina has the simplest focus limiter... a two stage type that allows full range or non-macro range. All the other lenses have three-stage limiters that also feature a macro-only range.

7. Of all the above, only the Tokina lacks optical image stabilization. This feature is particular nice to have on telephotos in particular, but is of somewhat limited help at higher magnifications. This may not matter much to folks planning to use a tripod, which is common for macro photography. Flash can also act to reduce camera shake blur and is used for a lot of macro photography. Note: Of the above lenses, only the Canon 100mm can optionally be fitted with a tripod mounting ring.

8. On a positive note the Tokina has the most recessed front element of the above lenses. While it's not terribly deep, it may not require use of it's lens hood in some situations, which might increase working distance compared to the other lenses with their hoods installed.

9. The Tokina also is quite well made (as are most Tokina lenses). But so are all the other lenses listed above.

10. Another positive note, the other lenses above cost 1.5X, 2X or even 3X what the Tokina sells for!

11. The Tokina uses a 9-blade aperture with traditional, straight blades. This makes for excellent 18-point "sunstars". All the other lenses above use curved aperture blades that might make for slightly nicer background blur in certain conditions, but make for pretty lousy sunstars! Some of the other lenses might also use an 8-blade aperture, making for less interesting 8-point sunstars.

12. The current ATX-i Pro version of the Tokina appears to be identical to the previous AT-X Pro version, except for some external cosmetic updating. If buying used, I'd consider either version. Note that there also was a much earlier AT-X version that doesn't have "Pro" on it's label, works as and is labelled as an "IF" lens, and was made prior to 2006. I really don't know how common it is or how it's image quality and AF performance compares to the later two versions.

I think it's fair to say Tokina has kept their 100mm macro lens one of the most affordable by making some compromises in the lens' design and features. Some of those compromises may have little to no effect for a lot of users. But if concerned, there are alternatives... at higher prices. I also don't know why Tokina didn't put a focusing motor in the Nikon version of the lens. After all, it sells for the same price as the Canon and Sony versions, both of which have micro motors built in! Note: the Sony version is now called a "FiRIN FE" lens instead of AT-X or ATX-i. This Sony version used to be quite a bit more expensive than the Canon or Nikon versions... but recently was reduced to the same price.

The Tokina AT-X Pro or ATX-i Pro lenses are solid and quite usable as macro lenses or as short telephotos. I'd call these Tokina "very good" and "fully capable of making very, very nice images". I'd rank most of the other lenses listed above as "excellent and capable of making superb images", but also considerably more expensive than the Tokina!
No, it simply is not. br br But don't take my wo... (show quote)


Wow thanks for the comprehensive review! Yep, every lens has its pluses and minuses. And for macros, my understanding is that these other considerations may outweigh pure sharpness since they are all relatively sharp. One consideration that I didn't see you mention is weight. Since often the macro lens is my third or fourth lens in my backpack, I wanted a light one. So picked the Tamron over the Nikon since at that time, it was considerably lighter. Not sure how the Tokina compares to the Tamron in weight. Just one more thing for people to consider. Obviously this is less important if doing macro around the house versus hiking in a hot, humid environment.

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Apr 11, 2022 18:39:58   #
Canisdirus
 
amfoto1 wrote:
No, it simply is not.

But don't take my word for it, see for yourself:

Tokina AT-X Pro 100mm versus Tamron 90mm VR #F017: https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=958&Camera=453&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=1046&Sample=0&CameraComp=453&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

Tokina AT-X Pro 100mm versus Sigma 105mm OS: https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=958&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=790&CameraComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

Tokina AT-X Pro 100mm versus Micro-Nikkor 105mm VR: https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=958&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=645&CameraComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

Tokina AT-X Pro 100mm versus Canon 100mm L IS: https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=958&Camera=453&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=674&Sample=0&CameraComp=453&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

At f/2.8 the Tokina is the softest of all the above lenses in the image corners and mid-frame. One macro lens with similar softness at f/2.8 aperture is the following...

Tokina AT-X Pro 100mm versus Sony 90mm OSS: https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=958&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=1019&CameraComp=1175&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

This is NOT a knock against the Tokina. It certainly is a very good value for the money and has a lot of nice features. But it has some shortcomings that need to be acknowledged and it does no one any good to provide incorrect information.

1. All these macro lenses, including the Tokina AT-X Pro 100mm, sharpen up nicely as they're stopped down... by f/8 they are pretty much equal. Since macro lenses are often stopped down due to the very shallow depth of field they render at high magnifications, this is certainly a consideration.

2. The original poster, Royce, plans to use the macro lens he chooses on an APS-C (DX) camera... a Nikon D7200. This will crop away the corners of the images shown at all the above links, so he would see less of the Tokina's softness.

3. Of all the above, only the Tokina in the Nikon F-mount version is motorless, requiring an in-camera focusing motor to be able to autofocus. This is not a problem for Royce with his current camera because it has that motor, but may be a consideration for use on any other Nikon cameras in the future. This also may or may not be a problem since a lot of macro shooters prefer to use manual focus anyway. It may be more of a concern to someone planning to use the lens for non-macro purposes, too.

4. Of all the above, only the Tokina doesn't offer instant AF override. You have to switch the AF off (using the unique "focus clutch" mechanism) before you can manually focus the lens. This may be a concern if planning to use AF a lot and wanting to be able to fine tune focus manually. All the other lenses this can be done immediately.

5. Of all the above, only the Tokina is NOT an internal focusing lens. This allows it to be more compact when set to infinity for storage, but makes it longer than some of the other lenses when focused all the way to maximum 1:1 magnification. The result will often be less working distance between subject and the front of the Tokina lens. This may be a consideration if trying to photography shy critters or by increasing risk of casting a shadow over the subject.

6. Of all the above, the Tokina has the simplest focus limiter... a two stage type that allows full range or non-macro range. All the other lenses have three-stage limiters that also feature a macro-only range.

7. Of all the above, only the Tokina lacks optical image stabilization. This feature is nice to have on telephotos in particular, but is of somewhat limited help at higher magnifications. This may not matter much to folks planning to use a tripod, which is common for macro photography. Flash can also act to reduce camera shake blur and is used for a lot of macro photography. Note: Of the above lenses, only the Canon 100mm can optionally be fitted with a tripod mounting ring.

8. On a positive note the Tokina has the most recessed front element of the above lenses. While it's not terribly deep, it may not require use of it's lens hood in some situations, which might increase working distance compared to the other lenses with their hoods installed.

9. The Tokina also is quite well made (as are most Tokina lenses). But so are all the other lenses listed above.

10. Another positive note, the other lenses above cost 1.5X, 2X or even 3X what the Tokina sells for!

11. The Tokina uses a 9-blade aperture with traditional, straight blades. This makes for excellent 18-point "sunstars". All the other lenses above use curved aperture blades that might make for slightly nicer background blur in certain conditions, but make for pretty lousy sunstars! Some of the other lenses might also use an 8-blade aperture, making for less interesting 8-point sunstars.

12. The current ATX-i Pro version of the Tokina appears to be identical to the previous AT-X Pro version, except for some external cosmetic updating. If buying used, I'd consider either version. Note that there also was a much earlier AT-X version that doesn't have "Pro" on it's label, works as and is labelled as an "IF" lens, and was made prior to 2006. I really don't know how common it is or how it's image quality and AF performance compares to the later two versions.

I think it's fair to say Tokina has kept their 100mm macro lens one of the most affordable by making some compromises in the lens' design and features. Some of those compromises may have little to no effect for a lot of users. But if concerned, there are alternatives... at higher prices. I also don't know why Tokina didn't put a focusing motor in the Nikon version of the lens. After all, it sells for the same price as the Canon and Sony versions, both of which have micro motors built in! Note: the Sony version is now called a "FiRIN FE" lens instead of AT-X or ATX-i. This Sony version used to be quite a bit more expensive than the Canon or Nikon versions... but recently was reduced to the same price.

The Tokina AT-X Pro or ATX-i Pro lenses are solid and quite usable as macro lenses or as short telephotos. I'd call these Tokina "very good" and "fully capable of making very, very nice images". I'd rank most of the other lenses listed above as "excellent and capable of making superb images", but also considerably more expensive than the Tokina!
No, it simply is not. br br But don't take my wo... (show quote)


I've had both...the Tokina is the better lens.

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Apr 11, 2022 19:00:47   #
ricardo00
 
Canisdirus wrote:
I've had both...the Tokina is the better lens.


Can you give more details of your tests? Which Tamron did you use? Which Tokina? What camera? Did you shoot with a tripod? What tests did you use to decide this? Any examples to convince us?
PS. There is also lens to lens variation.

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Apr 11, 2022 19:29:53   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
amfoto1 wrote:
No, it simply is not.

But don't take my word for it, see for yourself:

Tokina AT-X Pro 100mm versus Tamron 90mm VR #F017: https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=958&Camera=453&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=1046&Sample=0&CameraComp=453&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

Tokina AT-X Pro 100mm versus Sigma 105mm OS: https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=958&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=790&CameraComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

Tokina AT-X Pro 100mm versus Micro-Nikkor 105mm VR: https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=958&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=645&CameraComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

Tokina AT-X Pro 100mm versus Canon 100mm L IS: https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=958&Camera=453&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=674&Sample=0&CameraComp=453&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

At f/2.8 the Tokina is the softest of all the above lenses in the image corners and mid-frame. One macro lens with similar softness at f/2.8 aperture is the following...

Tokina AT-X Pro 100mm versus Sony 90mm OSS: https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=958&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=1019&CameraComp=1175&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

This is NOT a knock against the Tokina. It certainly is a very good value for the money and has a lot of nice features. But it has some shortcomings that need to be acknowledged and it does no one any good to provide incorrect information.

1. All these macro lenses, including the Tokina AT-X Pro 100mm, sharpen up nicely as they're stopped down... by f/8 they are pretty much equal. Since macro lenses are often stopped down due to the very shallow depth of field they render at high magnifications, this is certainly a consideration.

2. The original poster, Royce, plans to use the macro lens he chooses on an APS-C (DX) camera... a Nikon D7200. This will crop away the corners of the images shown at all the above links, so he would see less of the Tokina's softness.

3. Of all the above, only the Tokina in the Nikon F-mount version is motorless, requiring an in-camera focusing motor to be able to autofocus. This is not a problem for Royce with his current camera because it has that motor, but may be a consideration for use on any other Nikon cameras in the future. This also may or may not be a problem since a lot of macro shooters prefer to use manual focus anyway. It may be more of a concern to someone planning to use the lens for non-macro purposes, too.

4. Of all the above, only the Tokina doesn't offer instant AF override. You have to switch the AF off (using the unique "focus clutch" mechanism) before you can manually focus the lens. This may be a concern if planning to use AF a lot and wanting to be able to fine tune focus manually. All the other lenses this can be done immediately.

5. Of all the above, only the Tokina is NOT an internal focusing lens. This allows it to be more compact when set to infinity for storage, but makes it longer than some of the other lenses when focused all the way to maximum 1:1 magnification. The result will often be less working distance between subject and the front of the Tokina lens. This may be a consideration if trying to photography shy critters or by increasing risk of casting a shadow over the subject.

6. Of all the above, the Tokina has the simplest focus limiter... a two stage type that allows full range or non-macro range. All the other lenses have three-stage limiters that also feature a macro-only range.

7. Of all the above, only the Tokina lacks optical image stabilization. This feature is nice to have on telephotos in particular, but is of somewhat limited help at higher magnifications. This may not matter much to folks planning to use a tripod, which is common for macro photography. Flash can also act to reduce camera shake blur and is used for a lot of macro photography. Note: Of the above lenses, only the Canon 100mm can optionally be fitted with a tripod mounting ring.

8. On a positive note the Tokina has the most recessed front element of the above lenses. While it's not terribly deep, it may not require use of it's lens hood in some situations, which might increase working distance compared to the other lenses with their hoods installed.

9. The Tokina also is quite well made (as are most Tokina lenses). But so are all the other lenses listed above.

10. Another positive note, the other lenses above cost 1.5X, 2X or even 3X what the Tokina sells for!

11. The Tokina uses a 9-blade aperture with traditional, straight blades. This makes for excellent 18-point "sunstars". All the other lenses above use curved aperture blades that might make for slightly nicer background blur in certain conditions, but make for pretty lousy sunstars! Some of the other lenses might also use an 8-blade aperture, making for less interesting 8-point sunstars.

12. The current ATX-i Pro version of the Tokina appears to be identical to the previous AT-X Pro version, except for some external cosmetic updating. If buying used, I'd consider either version. Note that there also was a much earlier AT-X version that doesn't have "Pro" on it's label, works as and is labelled as an "IF" lens, and was made prior to 2006. I really don't know how common it is or how it's image quality and AF performance compares to the later two versions.

I think it's fair to say Tokina has kept their 100mm macro lens one of the most affordable by making some compromises in the lens' design and features. Some of those compromises may have little to no effect for a lot of users. But if concerned, there are alternatives... at higher prices. I also don't know why Tokina didn't put a focusing motor in the Nikon version of the lens. After all, it sells for the same price as the Canon and Sony versions, both of which have micro motors built in! Note: the Sony version is now called a "FiRIN FE" lens instead of AT-X or ATX-i. This Sony version used to be quite a bit more expensive than the Canon or Nikon versions... but recently was reduced to the same price.

The Tokina AT-X Pro or ATX-i Pro lenses are solid and quite usable as macro lenses or as short telephotos. I'd call these Tokina "very good" and "fully capable of making very, very nice images". I'd rank most of the other lenses listed above as "excellent and capable of making superb images", but also considerably more expensive than the Tokina!
No, it simply is not. br br But don't take my wo... (show quote)


I have seen the Imatest numbers for these lenses - The Tokina is one of the very few that gets sharper as you stop down - which is what you really would like if you are shooting macro !
.

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Apr 11, 2022 20:34:30   #
Canisdirus
 
ricardo00 wrote:
Can you give more details of your tests? Which Tamron did you use? Which Tokina? What camera? Did you shoot with a tripod? What tests did you use to decide this? Any examples to convince us?
PS. There is also lens to lens variation.


Other than it's reputation already you mean.

I'm not here to convince anyone of anything.
I've had both...the Tokina was better.

For price...it has no equal...or close second.

For macro optics...top tier class.

It's no Sony or Voigtlander...but it's 1/3 the price.

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Apr 12, 2022 15:41:30   #
Nickaroo
 
sscnxy wrote:
My Tokina 100mm f2.8 was superb. For macro work, the images were clearly sharper than the much more expensive AFS Nikkor 105mm with VR. When capturing the very fine hairs on a spider's legs or the edges of its tiny, round eyes, the Nikkor was too soft for my preferences, while the Tokina was tack sharp.


I use the Nikon 105mm f/2.8 Macro on a Professional basis. I do recognize that the Tokina and the Tamron Macros do a fairly Great Job. But the build of The Nikon 105mm Macro does not take second to any Macros, although I do have a Zeiss which works very well, the Zeiss is MF only with no VR. I bought the Zeiss in the 80's. I really think that using any of the Macros will not let a Photog down if used correctly, which means knowing how to Focus Stack, Thankfully my Nikon D850 does it in Camera, but I advise anyone that is going to use a Macro Lens to get a decent rail system for Your Camera to mount on. Also, buy reflectors and deflectors, plus buy a Light Ring to take Shadows out of play, maybe even consider using a Flash for getting insects to really pop. Plus, Just Have Fun.

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Apr 13, 2022 02:02:14   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
ricardo00 wrote:
...Which Tamron did you use? Which Tokina?....


Fair questions...

There have been at least three versions of the Tokina:

- ATX-i Pro 100mm f/2.8 (2020-current)
- AT-X Pro 100mm f/2.8 (2008-2020)
- AT-X 100mm IF f/2.8 (prior to 2008)

And there have been ten versions of the Tamron:

- SP 90mm f/2.8 Di 1:1 USD #F017 (2019-current)
- SP 90mm f/2.8 Di 1:1 USD #F004 (2016)
- SP AF 90mm f/2.8 Di 1:1 #272E (2008)
- SP 90mm f/2.8 #72B (2006, manual focus)
- SP AF 90mm f/2.8 1:1 #172E (2003)
- SP AF 90mm f/2.8 1:1 #72E (1999)
- SP AF 90mm f/2.5 #152E (1996)
- SP 90mm f/2.5 #52BB (1996, manual focus)
- SP AF 90mm f/2.5 #52E (1992)
- SP 90mm f/2.5 #52B (1988, manual focus)

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Apr 13, 2022 07:56:31   #
User ID
 
ricardo00 wrote:
Can you give more details of your tests? Which Tamron did you use? Which Tokina? What camera? Did you shoot with a tripod? What tests did you use to decide this? Any examples to convince us?
PS. There is also lens to lens variation.

Consider the source ...

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Apr 13, 2022 07:59:53   #
User ID
 
Nickaroo wrote:
I use the Nikon 105mm f/2.8 Macro on a Professional basis. I do recognize that the Tokina and the Tamron Macros do a fairly Great Job. But the build of The Nikon 105mm Macro does not take second to any Macros, although I do have a Zeiss which works very well, the Zeiss is MF only with no VR. I bought the Zeiss in the 80's. I really think that using any of the Macros will not let a Photog down if used correctly, which means knowing how to Focus Stack, Thankfully my Nikon D850 does it in Camera, but I advise anyone that is going to use a Macro Lens to get a decent rail system for Your Camera to mount on. Also, buy reflectors and deflectors, plus buy a Light Ring to take Shadows out of play, maybe even consider using a Flash for getting insects to really pop. Plus, Just Have Fun.
I use the Nikon 105mm f/2.8 Macro on a Professiona... (show quote)

I loooooooooves popping insects.

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Apr 13, 2022 08:36:53   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
amfoto1 wrote:
Fair questions...

There have been at least three versions of the Tokina:

- ATX-i Pro 100mm f/2.8 (2020-current)
- AT-X Pro 100mm f/2.8 (2008-2020)
- AT-X 100mm IF f/2.8 (prior to 2008)

And there have been ten versions of the Tamron:

- SP 90mm f/2.8 Di 1:1 USD #F017 (2019-current)
- SP 90mm f/2.8 Di 1:1 USD #F004 (2016)
- SP AF 90mm f/2.8 Di 1:1 #272E (2008)
- SP 90mm f/2.8 #72B (2006, manual focus)
- SP AF 90mm f/2.8 1:1 #172E (2003)
- SP AF 90mm f/2.8 1:1 #72E (1999)
- SP AF 90mm f/2.5 #152E (1996)
- SP 90mm f/2.5 #52BB (1996, manual focus)
- SP AF 90mm f/2.5 #52E (1992)
- SP 90mm f/2.5 #52B (1988, manual focus)
Fair questions... br br There have been at least ... (show quote)


Thanks for the chronology !

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Apr 13, 2022 16:16:27   #
Nickaroo
 
User ID wrote:
I loooooooooves popping insects.


From your comments, You probably would enjoy that feat. But, do You have a clue about Macro Lenses?

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