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Apr 3, 2022 21:48:16   #
alexol
 
Actually, I've spent a lot of time in Norway and have seen how their systems work. Certainly not only hydro-electric power.

Their home heating systems work too, as do their building standards, elevated FAR beyond what we have to put up with.

Spent much time there yourself?

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Apr 3, 2022 22:00:34   #
alexol
 
(wrong forum!)

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Apr 3, 2022 23:03:02   #
Reuss Griffiths Loc: Ravenna, Ohio
 
alexol wrote:
Actually, I've spent a lot of time in Norway and have seen how their systems work. Certainly not only hydro-electric power.

Their home heating systems work too, as do their building standards, elevated FAR beyond what we have to put up with.

Spent much time there yourself?


No I haven't but sounds like you should since you think so little of living here.

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Apr 3, 2022 23:19:09   #
alexol
 
I've been blessed to travel a lot, having visited and or lived in some 60 countries to date and I live here through choice. I have options, probably more options than most, meaning I really am here because I want to be. It doesn't sound as if you do, but you don't need to defensive about it.

But living here should not blind you to the simple solid fact that sometimes, other places can do things better than we can, and we should learn.

Doing a little research into world rankings of various characteristics might be a little eye opening for you. You could start for example with infant mortality rates. Then move on to death rates by firearms, freedom ranking - that one will REALLY pop your bubble, crime indexes, poverty rates, student science rankings, incarceration rate, health care - our life expectancy is around 44th globally, income, internet connectivity. The list goes on.

BTW, just in case you missed it, Norway is quite far north, roughly aligning with mid Canada, so not enough sun for solar power which is why they get better than 95% of the electric power from hydro electric generation.

And no, I don't think the world will end in 10 years or whatever. What I can see that we seem determined to leave to our children a world deep in very serious environmental problems, something which is entirely avoidable. If we don't resolve the issue soon, at a later point it will bite us harder, much harder, than we can handle.

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Apr 4, 2022 02:00:34   #
Reuss Griffiths Loc: Ravenna, Ohio
 
alexol wrote:
I've been blessed to travel a lot, having visited and or lived in some 60 countries to date and I live here through choice. I have options, probably more options than most, meaning I really am here because I want to be. It doesn't sound as if you do, but you don't need to defensive about it.

But living here should not blind you to the simple solid fact that sometimes, other places can do things better than we can, and we should learn.

Doing a little research into world rankings of various characteristics might be a little eye opening for you. You could start for example with infant mortality rates. Then move on to death rates by firearms, freedom ranking - that one will REALLY pop your bubble, crime indexes, poverty rates, student science rankings, incarceration rate, health care - our life expectancy is around 44th globally, income, internet connectivity. The list goes on.

BTW, just in case you missed it, Norway is quite far north, roughly aligning with mid Canada, so not enough sun for solar power which is why they get better than 95% of the electric power from hydro electric generation.

And no, I don't think the world will end in 10 years or whatever. What I can see that we seem determined to leave to our children a world deep in very serious environmental problems, something which is entirely avoidable. If we don't resolve the issue soon, at a later point it will bite us harder, much harder, than we can handle.
I've been blessed to travel a lot, having visited ... (show quote)



Hey, enjoy the Koolaid, this exchange and your progressive preening is getting tedious.

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Apr 4, 2022 02:14:39   #
alexol
 
Whatever

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Apr 7, 2022 13:30:30   #
carlberg
 
Bridges wrote:
Thanks for the answer, but why can't we deduce the amount of each hydrocarbon and put it together ourselves? They have been able to dissect the human genome with over a million parts, why can't we do this with gas? I'm just trying to understand why we can't manufacture something even if it is not petroleum as we get it from the ground. It seems we can do so much but why are we unable to do this?


It takes glue to build a model plane. Glue costs money. It takes glue (energy) to stick carbon and other elements together to make hydrocarbons (gasoline). Energy costs money. And the energy that is captured when the hydrocarbons are taken apart (burned) is less than the energy that went into making them. It's a losing proposition.

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