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Apr 1, 2022 11:16:39   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Larry, I, in no way, meant to imply that you had trivialized infirmities. I agreed with what you had written. Years ago, I felt that if I didn't keep myself in shape, I'd no longer be able to enjoy taking cameras out for a day of photographing. So, exercise has been a routine as much as any other daily tasks I perform.
--Bob
larryepage wrote:
My intent is not to trivialize infirmities either. We had been talking about interests and activities (as part of the depression screening part of the visit), and the doctor was making a point to me that many times, what happens is that we get to the point that we can't simply because we didn't. He also pointed out to me that if we get to the place that we can't manage a 4 or 5 pound camera, we also can't manage a half gallon of milk (4.25 pounds), a small bag of sugar (usually 4 pounds now, sometimes 5), or a small bag of cat food (5 pounds). It made a big enough impact on me that I just wanted to pass it along.
My intent is not to trivialize infirmities either.... (show quote)

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Apr 1, 2022 11:24:27   #
delder Loc: Maryland
 
Some ideas that have come up are to make greater use of a tripod and remote shutter release.
I had a D80 and appreciated the more easily handled form factor on the D3100 I am currently using.
I had been using various Kodak & Lumix Pocket Cameras when I stopped using my N4004 due to film scarcity.
Even a small table top tripod would take the weight off of your hands.

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Apr 1, 2022 12:09:28   #
Real Nikon Lover Loc: Simi Valley, CA
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
I had a desk job for 40 years. I decided I needed some exercise so I did some early morning jogging. That got old, (and cold) so I decided that if I were going to exercise I would get something tangible for the effort. So I started farming.

At first, the farming was part time. I bought a tractor (the excuse was that our riding lawn mower/snow blower quit so I got a tractor with a 5' mower and a bucket to deal with the snow). Then I found a deal on a plow and a harrow. Then I rented some land and planted pumpkins. A local orchard bought the pumpkins and that suckered me in.

Kept the day job until the funding source got iffy, then retired from the paying job. Full time on the farm. During the late spring, summer and fall, it was 15/7. Spring was reasonable and I got a month off (mid-December to mid-January), then planning, buying seeds, starting the greenhouse, then planting and we were off.

During that time I was moderately fit. I had no problem lugging around two bodies and assorted lenses.

When I was 78 my wife died and since she was an integral part of the farm, the next year was pretty tough. So I retired from the farm. Found a new wife. Moved away. I go to the gym 5 days a week but it's not quite enough. Started to have health problems. Got a pacemaker. Needed cortisone shots for my developing arthritis. I can still get up if I fall, but it's getting harder. Age is not for cowards.

I can't say for sure that the farm work would have kept me going since I can't go back and try something different, but I do see a lot of farmers in their 80s and 90s still being able to hack it. One of my problems is that I now spend more time on the computer, exercising my butt.

At 82.5 I can still carry my DSLRs with the heavy lenses, but it's not as easy as it used to be. I want to keep in shape but the shape keeps changing. Will do it as long as I am able.
I had a desk job for 40 years. I decided I needed ... (show quote)


I come from a long line of farmers though not one myself, I am blessed with a green thumb. My Grandfather, born 1892 in Missouri, was a tough old soul. He never got past 3rd grade and couldn't read or write. He got up at dark and came in at dark. Always bending, packing, lifting, pulling, tractoring, and he smoked 3-4 packs of cigarettes a day since 10 years old and smoked up until about a month before he died at age 75. He looked like he was 102 by then. Farming is good for you, chemicals on the farm and smoking not so much. Here's old Fred T out at the barn between chores showing off his new calendar. Circa 1940


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Apr 1, 2022 12:23:34   #
MDI Mainer
 
Fotoartist wrote:
If your hands are shaky a heavier camera with more mass will take steadier shots. This is physics principle.


Not if your musculature struggles more to hold it. Better principal is to upgrade to state-of-the-art IBIS.

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Apr 1, 2022 12:24:25   #
bocaphotogal
 
Sounds like good advice.

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Apr 1, 2022 12:32:51   #
stevefrankel
 
As a 78-year old committed to travel photography, I've been trying to age gracefully. I dropped in the last year from 240 to 185 lbs. and nearly weaned myself off insulin. But neuroprathy in both feet and general muscular weakness meant I've had to resort to traveling with a Drive Nitro Rollator walker to use in airports and photo excursions. I found I could no longer carry two camera bodies and six lenses when I travelled. I sold my Sony full-frame and Olympus four-thirds systems and bought a gently used Leica CL APS-C body, Leica 18mm f2.8 & Leica 55-135mm lenses, and a new Sigma 30mm f1.4 lens. Even in a small camera bag, my equipment load dropped from about 12 to 5 lbs if I carry everything. Since I usually go shooting with only 1-2 lenses and no camera bag, my real load is only about 2-3 lbs. This permits me to keep up with everyone else on photo walks of a mile or more. Surprisingly, since I've gone to lightly-used equipment from usually buying new, my total annual outlay for photo gear (less the camera equipment that I've sold)has actually gone down.

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Apr 1, 2022 12:40:38   #
Canisdirus
 
MDI Mainer wrote:
Not if your musculature struggles more to hold it. Better principal is to upgrade to state-of-the-art IBIS.


Or just get used to tripod shooting...but you correct.

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Apr 1, 2022 13:37:18   #
lensmaster Loc: Chicago
 
continue to use what you are familiar with as long as you can. Until the weight becomes unbearable, until the 'thought' of picking up the camera gives you pause.

Sure, maybe Not carrying around a huge telephoto lens or a heavy tripod makes sense at this point and lightening your load of extra lenses and accessories makes a lot of sense. Pare down your shooting 'kit' to a smaller package with less to carry, less to worry about...and that will give you more incentive to go out and create images.

What 'works for you' is what works for you....ignore articles suggesting because you are older you should buy this or that. What do they know about you? Really?

I'm in my 70's and I can still pack a full size SLR with a compliment of lenses although not as many as I could when I was 50- but I now choose more wisely exactly what I bring. Modifying my lens arsenal helped me focus more on What I am shooting, and how. Kind of a cleansing experience...

Do what works for you...don't second guess it, don't take advice from strangers who know nothing about you or what you are capable of. Listen to your doctor of course, do not put yourself in physical risk at any time, and common sense is the best advisor.

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Apr 1, 2022 16:00:22   #
ELNikkor
 
Right!

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Apr 1, 2022 16:20:46   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Bubbee wrote:
Well, here's an irony...I got the Z50 to replace my D7100 mainly because of the size and weight and fell in love with it, but I preferred my old 18-140mm zoom to the kit lenses. Sooh...I just got the adapter and happily attached both it and my old18-140 to my new Z50. The new combo is now heavier than when the zoom was attached to my D7100!
Oh well...it won't stop this little old lady!


Of course, you can always get the new Nikkor z 18-140mm DX Lens. It would be 10.5 oz lighter than your current lens and the FTZ adapter, and it would be significantly smaller as well.

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Apr 1, 2022 17:51:01   #
User ID
 
AZNikon wrote:
Thanks for adding this, now it's Googleable.

Google is never put off by missing zeros or extra zeros. Google is "hard sell".

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Apr 1, 2022 20:09:58   #
woodyH
 
I find it amusing that these lighten-the-load conversations are accompanied by B&H ads for the Lumix GX9 with the Leica 24-120mm (35mm=), a great travel and walk-around kit at about 800$, plus a couple of batteries. My gear (at 88 yrs.) is Olympus' = from 12 years ago, a Pen 5 with a removable EVF, with 28-84 EZ, 18-36, 80-300, and a fish-eye body cap lens. My filter kit includes a non-circular polarizing filter (more effective than cpl's), 3 stop half-gray, ND8, and 4+ for 1.1x at 84mm close-ups. With a SunPak flash for side lighting and 3 Oly batts, fits under my arm in an Eagle Creek 'man purse.'

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Apr 1, 2022 20:18:20   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
larryepage wrote:
Since I joined UHH almost 5 years ago, it seems that there has continually been an active discussion based around lightening the photographic load -- dumbing current cameras and lenses in favor of a new system that is lighter or more portable. Despite the fact that I'm now slowly approaching my 72nd birthday, that has not been a question for me yet. I've been thinking that when and if it ever does become an issue, it's going to be a big problem, for at least a couple of reasons. The first is that I really like the equipment I have been using. I've been using either my current cameras or their direct predecessors since switching to digital about 17 years ago, and I really like them a lot. The second is that financially, a switch would probably be an unmanageable hit, since my current equipment is promised to a friend, and I've already begun transferring some of it. The third is that I have tried some of the smaller, lighter equipment and really don't like it. The D90 that I'm using for IR photography is fine for that, but I'd go nuts trying to use it all the time.

A couple of weeks ago, I had my annual wellness visit with my doctor. His specialty is Gerontology, which is treating older patients. We talked about the whole subject of staying healthy and productive as our age advances. We talked about spending days with kids and young people (teachers) at school instead of at the coffee shop with a bunch of old grouchy folks or in a recliner. And we talked about hobbies and photography and giving up cameras that are familiar old friends in favor of cameras that are smaller and lighter. He gave some interesting counsel and some even more interesting reasons.

The first were sort of expected. Smaller and lighter cameras are going to have smaller and lighter controls and smaller labels. Harder to see and read in a time that our eyes may be becoming less effective. Harder to operate and control in a time that our fine movement dexterity may be declining. And just "different" in these situations versus the cameras we have had for years and can operate without being able to see and read.

But then he said something that was very thought-provoking. He said not to do it because it was just giving up. A natural part of aging is loss of muscle mass and strength because older people just decide to quit doing things that require strength and dexterity. And he said that their hands are the first things that they let "go to pot." And he said that doing that actually puts them at physical risk. Loss of hand and wrist strength results in loss of grip strength. Loss of grip strength results in loss of ability to "hold on," and stabilize themselves as they stand and move about. So falls become more likely. Interestingly enough, there were a couple of articles on the internet a couple of days after my doctor visit, although they were much less specific and helpful. By the way...he says exercise can even be a more effective way to deal with arthritis and even some tremors than just quitting.

So what does this mean? I have resolved to do everything I possibly can to avoid having to go to "something smaller and lighter." My camera and lenses have become my exercise equipment. They have a new home on the armrest of the couch when not being used, and I hold them, manipulate them, and move them about while watching TV at night. Some of those movements are the same ones I would use while shooting, some are not.

I am by nature a fairly sedate person, so this is something a little bit new for me. But now that I know, I've resolved not to give up...at least not until the very last moment.
Since I joined UHH almost 5 years ago, it seems th... (show quote)


Big difference between struggling with a heavy camera that one will give up on because it has become a PITA to carry and use.
A better alternative is to be overall less sedate, mow the lawn with a push mower, rake the leaves by hand, do gardening, pull weeds and many other activities that use the hands and arms. A lot of new lighter cameras are still reasonably large. The R5 comes to mind and is light or the R3 which is quite large but very light compared to contemporaries both DSLR and mirrorless.
Bottom line if the camera becomes a chore due to weight, no matter how you fight it it will win and you give up. So lighter is better and a heavy big camera does not substitute for becoming less sedentary (Unless there is a overwhelming physical disability causing it) and just getting out there and using the hands and arms daily doing work.

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Apr 1, 2022 22:15:40   #
Real Nikon Lover Loc: Simi Valley, CA
 
woodyH wrote:
I find it amusing that these lighten-the-load conversations are accompanied by B&H ads for the Lumix GX9 with the Leica 24-120mm (35mm=), a great travel and walk-around kit at about 800$, plus a couple of batteries. My gear (at 88 yrs.) is Olympus' = from 12 years ago, a Pen 5 with a removable EVF, with 28-84 EZ, 18-36, 80-300, and a fish-eye body cap lens. My filter kit includes a non-circular polarizing filter (more effective than cpl's), 3 stop half-gray, ND8, and 4+ for 1.1x at 84mm close-ups. With a SunPak flash for side lighting and 3 Oly batts, fits under my arm in an Eagle Creek 'man purse.'
I find it amusing that these lighten-the-load conv... (show quote)


That's odd... my ads are for erectile dysfuntion, Relief Factor and Prevagen... also durable medical goods.

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Apr 1, 2022 23:03:30   #
woodyH
 
Hmmm. I seem to remember someone said AI is used to tune the ads to what you have shown an interest in. Ah well.

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