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Apr 1, 2022 08:08:16   #
JimBart Loc: Western Michigan
 
I love his advice.
Take a look at Clyde Butcher, the Everglades photographer…. Did he give up plate shooting after after his stroke .. nope he’s still does some, albeit less than previously. Resigned himself to get up and shoot again. My hero in photography

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Apr 1, 2022 08:46:08   #
CliffMcKenzie Loc: Lake Athens Texas
 
Larry, you mentioned "a couple of internet articles", please share link if convenient.
Now 70 and we decided 3 years to retire to our lake home that is 3 stories and has about a 5 story drop from road to water. My right knee was in severe pain and I thought I would have to replace after years of playing sports. Next, I decided to do my own 3/4 acre yard...result, my right knee is now perfect. I haul my D850, 200-500 with L-bracket (just under 10 lbs) and make sure the shutter speed is fast. Loved your article, shared with my wife.

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Apr 1, 2022 08:46:23   #
pithydoug Loc: Catskill Mountains, NY
 
larryepage wrote:
Since I joined UHH almost 5 years ago, it seems that there has continually been an active discussion based around lightening the photographic load -- dumbing current cameras and lenses in favor of a new system that is lighter or more portable. Despite the fact that I'm now slowly approaching my 72nd birthday, that has not been a question for me yet. I've been thinking that when and if it ever does become an issue, it's going to be a big problem, for at least a couple of reasons. The first is that I really like the equipment I have been using. I've been using either my current cameras or their direct predecessors since switching to digital about 17 years ago, and I really like them a lot. The second is that financially, a switch would probably be an unmanageable hit, since my current equipment is promised to a friend, and I've already begun transferring some of it. The third is that I have tried some of the smaller, lighter equipment and really don't like it. The D90 that I'm using for IR photography is fine for that, but I'd go nuts trying to use it all the time.

A couple of weeks ago, I had my annual wellness visit with my doctor. His specialty is Gerontology, which is treating older patients. We talked about the whole subject of staying healthy and productive as our age advances. We talked about spending days with kids and young people (teachers) at school instead of at the coffee shop with a bunch of old grouchy folks or in a recliner. And we talked about hobbies and photography and giving up cameras that are familiar old friends in favor of cameras that are smaller and lighter. He gave some interesting counsel and some even more interesting reasons.

The first were sort of expected. Smaller and lighter cameras are going to have smaller and lighter controls and smaller labels. Harder to see and read in a time that our eyes may be becoming less effective. Harder to operate and control in a time that our fine movement dexterity may be declining. And just "different" in these situations versus the cameras we have had for years and can operate without being able to see and read.

But then he said something that was very thought-provoking. He said not to do it because it was just giving up. A natural part of aging is loss of muscle mass and strength because older people just decide to quit doing things that require strength and dexterity. And he said that their hands are the first things that they let "go to pot." And he said that doing that actually puts them at physical risk. Loss of hand and wrist strength results in loss of grip strength. Loss of grip strength results in loss of ability to "hold on," and stabilize themselves as they stand and move about. So falls become more likely. Interestingly enough, there were a couple of articles on the internet a couple of days after my doctor visit, although they were much less specific and helpful. By the way...he says exercise can even be a more effective way to deal with arthritis and even some tremors than just quitting.

So what does this mean? I have resolved to do everything I possibly can to avoid having to go to "something smaller and lighter." My camera and lenses have become my exercise equipment. They have a new home on the armrest of the couch when not being used, and I hold them, manipulate them, and move them about while watching TV at night. Some of those movements are the same ones I would use while shooting, some are not.

I am by nature a fairly sedate person, so this is something a little bit new for me. But now that I know, I've resolved not to give up...at least not until the very last moment.
Since I joined UHH almost 5 years ago, it seems th... (show quote)


Kill two birds. Go for a daily walk for legs and cardio and carry your camera with you doing hand curls and changing hands. You can always stop and take pictures. Drive to some rural areas for your walk and have different scenery newer photo opportunities. Got ya by 5 years and it works. :)

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Apr 1, 2022 09:14:55   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
Larryepage slowly approaches his 72nd birthday... I assure you Larry that later they approach way too quickly!! I turned 86 today, lucky I have no problem toting my big Sony A65 and lenses... but... the advantage of a 1"sensor SuperZoom modified to take 52mm treaded add-on lenses and filters give me such versatility. Without carrying the addon, the Pocket SuperZoom is there, instantly in my hand, when the photo-moment occurs. Later to be perfected by my AI programs.

Full vs smaller sensors is a hot debate in UHH, but experience with the Canon SX50 was amazing that a speck in the eye sensor [6.16 x 4.62 mm "1/2.3" CMOS sensor] gave great results... Electronics... on-board computer is the key to that marvel. The 1" sensor cameras are a step above the starting image from the small P&S sensor. Superzooms with a 1" are NOT P&S cameras, that is a demeaning classification. [Nor are Cameras that can allow extraterrestrial, ETs, to Phone-Home.]

OK... enough of the praise of 1" SuperZooms [mine is a Panasonic TZ-100]. The real revolution is the entry of the new age of program learning, referred to as AI. Given a lesser image, Full-Sensor vs smaller, AI can know, and make the starting small-sensor image precisely stunning based on AI's vast experience in assessing, learning from, the problems and correctness of a vast number of images.

AI Programs and Plugins are the darkroom experts that can instantaneously, with perfection, do techniques such as Zone Image Correction** which took Ansel Adams a lifetime to establish and hours in the darkroom to execute. With the advent of AI, large sensors and expensive bulky lenses are no longer needed, smaller versatility 1" sensor SuperZooms are the in-choice.

**https://fstoppers.com/education/how-use-ansel-adams-zone-system-digital-world-417047

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Apr 1, 2022 09:32:31   #
Bubbee Loc: Aventura, Florida
 
Well, here's an irony...I got the Z50 to replace my D7100 mainly because of the size and weight and fell in love with it, but I preferred my old 18-140mm zoom to the kit lenses. Sooh...I just got the adapter and happily attached both it and my old18-140 to my new Z50. The new combo is now heavier than when the zoom was attached to my D7100!
Oh well...it won't stop this little old lady!

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Apr 1, 2022 09:54:13   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
larryepage wrote:
Since I joined UHH almost 5 years ago, it seems that there has continually been an active discussion based around lightening the photographic load -- dumbing current cameras and lenses in favor of a new system that is lighter or more portable. Despite the fact that I'm now slowly approaching my 72nd birthday, that has not been a question for me yet. I've been thinking that when and if it ever does become an issue, it's going to be a big problem, for at least a couple of reasons. The first is that I really like the equipment I have been using. I've been using either my current cameras or their direct predecessors since switching to digital about 17 years ago, and I really like them a lot. The second is that financially, a switch would probably be an unmanageable hit, since my current equipment is promised to a friend, and I've already begun transferring some of it. The third is that I have tried some of the smaller, lighter equipment and really don't like it. The D90 that I'm using for IR photography is fine for that, but I'd go nuts trying to use it all the time.

A couple of weeks ago, I had my annual wellness visit with my doctor. His specialty is Gerontology, which is treating older patients. We talked about the whole subject of staying healthy and productive as our age advances. We talked about spending days with kids and young people (teachers) at school instead of at the coffee shop with a bunch of old grouchy folks or in a recliner. And we talked about hobbies and photography and giving up cameras that are familiar old friends in favor of cameras that are smaller and lighter. He gave some interesting counsel and some even more interesting reasons.

The first were sort of expected. Smaller and lighter cameras are going to have smaller and lighter controls and smaller labels. Harder to see and read in a time that our eyes may be becoming less effective. Harder to operate and control in a time that our fine movement dexterity may be declining. And just "different" in these situations versus the cameras we have had for years and can operate without being able to see and read.

But then he said something that was very thought-provoking. He said not to do it because it was just giving up. A natural part of aging is loss of muscle mass and strength because older people just decide to quit doing things that require strength and dexterity. And he said that their hands are the first things that they let "go to pot." And he said that doing that actually puts them at physical risk. Loss of hand and wrist strength results in loss of grip strength. Loss of grip strength results in loss of ability to "hold on," and stabilize themselves as they stand and move about. So falls become more likely. Interestingly enough, there were a couple of articles on the internet a couple of days after my doctor visit, although they were much less specific and helpful. By the way...he says exercise can even be a more effective way to deal with arthritis and even some tremors than just quitting.

So what does this mean? I have resolved to do everything I possibly can to avoid having to go to "something smaller and lighter." My camera and lenses have become my exercise equipment. They have a new home on the armrest of the couch when not being used, and I hold them, manipulate them, and move them about while watching TV at night. Some of those movements are the same ones I would use while shooting, some are not.

I am by nature a fairly sedate person, so this is something a little bit new for me. But now that I know, I've resolved not to give up...at least not until the very last moment.
Since I joined UHH almost 5 years ago, it seems th... (show quote)


Thanks Larry. Good post. Good doctor.

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Apr 1, 2022 09:55:03   #
Melsilver9
 
I’m 82. Using Nikon equipment for the last 20 years. I have multiple cameras including D850 and many lenses. I have no problem with the camera and 1-2 lenses but during the pandemic, I purchased a Leica Q2…. Lighter, smaller, limiting with only a 28mm non interchangeable lens….but I love it. It’s stealthy and I take it everywhere. I use my feet to zoom in. Takes amazing pictures and is simply more fun. I never expected to leave Nikon but that is what happened

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Apr 1, 2022 09:56:02   #
AZNikon Loc: Mesa, AZ
 
rmalarz wrote:
If you're going to quote someone, at least be accurate in your quote. “Anything more than 500 yards from the car just isn’t photogenic.” – Edward Weston
--Bob


Thanks for adding this, now it's Googleable.

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Apr 1, 2022 10:09:18   #
Canisdirus
 
Push ups...just do them every day.
Start at an incline (easier)...do as many as you can...take a 2 minute break..do as many as you can...once a day.
Eventually twice a day...then reduce incline ... eventually 3 reps instead of two.

The push up is the most efficient muscle and strength builder bar none...and exactly why the military relies on it so heavily. It will work you from your neck to your toes...and everything in between... :).

Oh...and it's free...exercise companies hate it.

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Apr 1, 2022 10:22:49   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
larryepage wrote:
Since I joined UHH almost 5 years ago, it seems that there has continually been an active discussion based around lightening the photographic load -- dumbing current cameras and lenses in favor of a new system that is lighter or more portable. Despite the fact that I'm now slowly approaching my 72nd birthday, that has not been a question for me yet. I've been thinking that when and if it ever does become an issue, it's going to be a big problem, for at least a couple of reasons. The first is that I really like the equipment I have been using. I've been using either my current cameras or their direct predecessors since switching to digital about 17 years ago, and I really like them a lot. The second is that financially, a switch would probably be an unmanageable hit, since my current equipment is promised to a friend, and I've already begun transferring some of it. The third is that I have tried some of the smaller, lighter equipment and really don't like it. The D90 that I'm using for IR photography is fine for that, but I'd go nuts trying to use it all the time.

A couple of weeks ago, I had my annual wellness visit with my doctor. His specialty is Gerontology, which is treating older patients. We talked about the whole subject of staying healthy and productive as our age advances. We talked about spending days with kids and young people (teachers) at school instead of at the coffee shop with a bunch of old grouchy folks or in a recliner. And we talked about hobbies and photography and giving up cameras that are familiar old friends in favor of cameras that are smaller and lighter. He gave some interesting counsel and some even more interesting reasons.

The first were sort of expected. Smaller and lighter cameras are going to have smaller and lighter controls and smaller labels. Harder to see and read in a time that our eyes may be becoming less effective. Harder to operate and control in a time that our fine movement dexterity may be declining. And just "different" in these situations versus the cameras we have had for years and can operate without being able to see and read.

But then he said something that was very thought-provoking. He said not to do it because it was just giving up. A natural part of aging is loss of muscle mass and strength because older people just decide to quit doing things that require strength and dexterity. And he said that their hands are the first things that they let "go to pot." And he said that doing that actually puts them at physical risk. Loss of hand and wrist strength results in loss of grip strength. Loss of grip strength results in loss of ability to "hold on," and stabilize themselves as they stand and move about. So falls become more likely. Interestingly enough, there were a couple of articles on the internet a couple of days after my doctor visit, although they were much less specific and helpful. By the way...he says exercise can even be a more effective way to deal with arthritis and even some tremors than just quitting.

So what does this mean? I have resolved to do everything I possibly can to avoid having to go to "something smaller and lighter." My camera and lenses have become my exercise equipment. They have a new home on the armrest of the couch when not being used, and I hold them, manipulate them, and move them about while watching TV at night. Some of those movements are the same ones I would use while shooting, some are not.

I am by nature a fairly sedate person, so this is something a little bit new for me. But now that I know, I've resolved not to give up...at least not until the very last moment.
Since I joined UHH almost 5 years ago, it seems th... (show quote)


Larry, I more or less agree with your view or practice. I'm younger but do have a lot of strength and health issues but I am not comfortable using lighter, smaller cameras with tinier parts. I am open to a MILC if it were big like my DSLRs. I too have 40 years invested in a single camera brand.

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Apr 1, 2022 10:39:20   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
If your hands are shaky a heavier camera with more mass will take steadier shots. This is physics principle.

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Apr 1, 2022 10:47:17   #
Real Nikon Lover Loc: Simi Valley, CA
 
A friend of mine has said on occasion "you only get so many heartbeats... use them wisely." Keeping your cardio vascular system healthy generally equates to a slower but more robust cardiac output. All the other insults we add to it over the years either intentional or accidental take their toll. My doctor has me on a course to go as hard as I can and just hit the wall at the end rather than slide down a long perilous sad declining slope. Photography is one of those areas he highly recommends to keep you going. He and his wife who is also a professional are both fantastic amateur photographers.

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Apr 1, 2022 10:57:17   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
I've read another good bit of advice along those same lines. Everybody's life has two dates with a dash between them. Make the most of the dash.
--Bob
Real Nikon Lover wrote:
A friend of mine has said on occasion "you only get so many heartbeats... use them wisely." Keeping your cardio vascular system healthy generally equates to a slower but more robust cardiac output. All the other insults we add to it over the years either intentional or accidental take their toll. My doctor has me on a course to go as hard as I can and just hit the wall at the end rather than slide down a long perilous sad declining slope. Photography is one of those areas he highly recommends to keep you going. He and his wife who is also a professional are both fantastic amateur photographers.
A friend of mine has said on occasion "you on... (show quote)

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Apr 1, 2022 11:10:55   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
rmalarz wrote:
I'm a bit older than you, Larry. I enjoy photography and using large format cameras. I regularly work out with weights and cardio exercises just to be able to carry tripods and a 4x5 where ever I need to. There are things that are important when it comes to cameras, quality of lenses, accuracy of shutter speed, and, if one considers in camera metering, accuracy of the meter. Weight has nothing to do with a camera's photographic quality.

I do not mean to trivialize infirmaries that some people may have. It's good to have equipment available that allows those people the ability to continue pursuing their photographic interests. However, for the most part, weight isn't a camera quality that's important. In fact, the heavier camera will more likely produce sharper hand held photographs than a light one will.
--Bob
I'm a bit older than you, Larry. I enjoy photograp... (show quote)


My intent is not to trivialize infirmities either. We had been talking about interests and activities (as part of the depression screening part of the visit), and the doctor was making a point to me that many times, what happens is that we get to the point that we can't simply because we didn't. He also pointed out to me that if we get to the place that we can't manage a 4 or 5 pound camera, we also can't manage a half gallon of milk (4.25 pounds), a small bag of sugar (usually 4 pounds now, sometimes 5), or a small bag of cat food (5 pounds). It made a big enough impact on me that I just wanted to pass it along.

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Apr 1, 2022 11:13:29   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
I had a desk job for 40 years. I decided I needed some exercise so I did some early morning jogging. That got old, (and cold) so I decided that if I were going to exercise I would get something tangible for the effort. So I started farming.

At first, the farming was part time. I bought a tractor (the excuse was that our riding lawn mower/snow blower quit so I got a tractor with a 5' mower and a bucket to deal with the snow). Then I found a deal on a plow and a harrow. Then I rented some land and planted pumpkins. A local orchard bought the pumpkins and that suckered me in.

Kept the day job until the funding source got iffy, then retired from the paying job. Full time on the farm. During the late spring, summer and fall, it was 15/7. Spring was reasonable and I got a month off (mid-December to mid-January), then planning, buying seeds, starting the greenhouse, then planting and we were off.

During that time I was moderately fit. I had no problem lugging around two bodies and assorted lenses.

When I was 78 my wife died and since she was an integral part of the farm, the next year was pretty tough. So I retired from the farm. Found a new wife. Moved away. I go to the gym 5 days a week but it's not quite enough. Started to have health problems. Got a pacemaker. Needed cortisone shots for my developing arthritis. I can still get up if I fall, but it's getting harder. Age is not for cowards.

I can't say for sure that the farm work would have kept me going since I can't go back and try something different, but I do see a lot of farmers in their 80s and 90s still being able to hack it. One of my problems is that I now spend more time on the computer, exercising my butt.

At 82.5 I can still carry my DSLRs with the heavy lenses, but it's not as easy as it used to be. I want to keep in shape but the shape keeps changing. Will do it as long as I am able.

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