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Mar 26, 2022 08:45:38   #
NJFrank Loc: New Jersey
 
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Mar 26, 2022 08:48:17   #
Bayou
 
worldcycle wrote:
I may be out of line here, but why? Hundreds if not thousands of photos of practically any masterpiece you may want to view on the internet. Unless of course you want to prove you were there. Then a cell phone selfie does the job quite nicely.

I travel fairly extensively and visit museums where ever I go. It has become very prevalent now that the crowds are at the museum only to appreciate art by taking a photo. You cannot really It is becoming virtually impossible to appreciate great art anymore without hoards of people filing past, pausing only momentarily long enough to take a photo. Why bother going to the museum at all if this what you are going to do when you can sit at home and do a virtual tour?
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Mar 26, 2022 08:58:02   #
61jhawk Loc: Tarrant County, Texas
 
RayS wrote:
I'm going there in May. Many sites say photography (without flash) is acceptable for private use only. I will be shooting with my Nikon D500. Any ideas about exposure including ISO would be welcome. I will also have my IPhone 6s with me as backup.


I have been shooting that camera for a couple of years now and have shot in the local museums. I use a Nikkor 16-80 when doing that. I have found that I can get good shots with an iso as high as 2400 and a shutter speed as low as 1/100. I'm usually at around f 5.6. My settings will very a lot depending upon the ambient light. When shooting with that high an iso I've gotten good pics printed up to 8x10 without having to resort to using something like the Topaz program to reduce graininess. Take sample pics and then quickly adjust if needed. The crowds may prevent you from getting more than a couple of good opportunities. Sounds like a great trip - enjoy.

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Mar 26, 2022 09:15:57   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Take lots of pictures at different settings. Do some experimentation before you get there.

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Mar 26, 2022 09:45:28   #
ronpier Loc: Poland Ohio
 
Frayud wrote:
Why not just turn to "Auto" and just enjoy the immediate beauty of the sights you are visiting? You can touch the photos up later in Post.

In 2005 when I first got my first DSLR I went to Hawaii. Shot everything on auto. Didn’t know any better. Still amazing images. At least back then I enjoyed being there.

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Mar 26, 2022 09:52:01   #
nikon123 Loc: Toronto, Canada
 
RayS wrote:
Thanks for the input and advice. Maybe my question was too broad but I was hoping for a small idea on how high of ISO I could push my D500 and still get reasonable (not 30 X 40) results. I'd hate to get home and find I'd pushed way too far.


Here is my suggestion, based upon my experience. I shot with a D500 in a number of galleries and houses of worship. The camera is 'pretty darn' good in low light situations. Best to take with you a 'faster' lens and more of a wide angle. Nikon's 18-80 (or 85) or 17-35, would both work exceedingly well. There is VR in the camera - you don't need a tripod as such would also bring the docents to your side in a flash. As well, do not use a flash; that is verboten in an art gallery.
Have a wonderful trip!

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Mar 26, 2022 09:58:34   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
RayS wrote:
I'm going there in May. Many sites say photography (without flash) is acceptable for private use only. I will be shooting with my Nikon D500. Any ideas about exposure including ISO would be welcome. I will also have my IPhone 6s with me as backup.


Go auto ISO, set your shutter speed at 1/30 sec., Aperture Priority and your set.

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Mar 26, 2022 10:07:05   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
nikon123 wrote:
Here is my suggestion, based upon my experience. I shot with a D500 in a number of galleries and houses of worship. The camera is 'pretty darn' good in low light situations. Best to take with you a 'faster' lens and more of a wide angle. Nikon's 18-80 (or 85) or 17-35, would both work exceedingly well. There is VR in the camera - you don't need a tripod as such would also bring the docents to your side in a flash. As well, do not use a flash; that is verboten in an art gallery.
Have a wonderful trip!
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I've had my D500 for approaching 4 years. It'll do a lot of things...way more than most here will acknowledge. Unfortunately, in-camera VR is not one of its many advanced capabilities.

Also, to the OP, I have learned that indiscriminate use of Auto ISO in inappropriate situations is one of the sources of low-light bad mouthing of the D500. Do not do it. Resist the temptation. It is pure evil in this situation.

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Mar 26, 2022 10:21:06   #
Burkley Loc: Park City
 
It’s the lens more than the camera that matters. A 24-70 E 2.8 with VR II or a 35 1.8 will handle things very differently than a consumer lens. I am surprised that they allow photography. Many famous places in Italy now ban photography of famous works.

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Mar 26, 2022 10:42:07   #
home brewer Loc: Fort Wayne, Indiana
 
I was there many years ago and if I remember correctly the place is not well lite.

That said; take photos of a long hallway if you can that is not very bright in your house with lights off and on a cloudy day. Try various iso, shutter speeds, and F stops.

I just did that and took photos standing 10' from a painting with the D500, 18-300 mm lens at 65mm, 1/100 and f 5.3 10' and ISO was 51,000. My conclusion is that the photo at this ISO is noisy, I may have camera shake, the camera had difficulty finding focus.
I did little post processing to adjust noise, exposure and sharpen the attached photo. I did not spend much time on this experiment.
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Mar 26, 2022 10:43:37   #
MDI Mainer
 
Ava'sPapa wrote:
Different strokes for different folks...I've been to Italy twice. 1st time I took my Nikon DSLR with a couple of lenses and the second time I took my Nikon A900 P&S. The second time was MUCH more enjoyable. No hassles with equipment. Just one little camera either in my hand or in my windbreaker pocket. Usually moving fairly quickly to keep up with the tour. The A900 offers full manual control if you so desire, but doesn't have RAW. 20 mp, 24-480mm equivalent. It also has a panoramic mode for that "The Last Supper" shot in Milan that you're going to want. There are a plethora of point and shoot or bridge cameras on the market to fill the bill. I was happy with the results. BTW, I never used the flash...anywhere. The last two are examples of photos taken in a museum without a flash or a tripod. We're taking our family to the Dominican Republic in three weeks. I'll be taking my Olympus TG-5 for underwater shots and either my Sony RX10 MK IV or the Nikon A900 (old but reliable). The R6, D500 and X-T4 and tripod will be safely tucked away in the closet. You're going to love Italy, Ray.
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Mar 26, 2022 11:14:45   #
home brewer Loc: Fort Wayne, Indiana
 
I tried the f 2.8 24 to 70 on the D500 at f 2.8, 1/100 and iso 32,000 with much better results. no post


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Mar 26, 2022 11:17:49   #
St.Mary's
 
For you modern-day purists, I believe it is no longer called "The Last Supper", it is now "The Last Dinner".

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Mar 26, 2022 11:27:00   #
EJMcD
 
Grey Ghost wrote:
Just buy some picture cards and immerse yourself in the experience. They will be much better than the photos you will shoot.


Speak for yourself.

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Mar 26, 2022 11:34:29   #
EJMcD
 
jcboy3 wrote:
Do everyone a favor and get a camera that can shoot silently, rather than slap a mirror and mechanical shutter with every shot.

Get one with excellent in body stabilization, so you can shoot at low shutter speeds and low ISO.

And use lenses with large apertures as well, since you don't need deep DOF for paintings (f/2.8-4 FF equivalent is good).

Learn to do custom white balance, or use a color profiler, to get correct color.

And learn to do keystone correction in post processing.
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Gosh, of all the suggestions here I think yours is a bit extreme. I think he was just looking for some tips for application with his current equipment not to spend several thousand dollars on a new camera and high end lenses.

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