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"What if Coivid-19 Vaccines are not really Vaccines."
Mar 16, 2022 09:41:59   #
Watash
 
Interesting.
However, lots of people have known this for some time.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/03/what_if_the_covid19_vaccines_are_not_really_vaccines.html

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Mar 16, 2022 10:08:16   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
A reason why younger people have more to worry about than older people.

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Mar 16, 2022 11:43:40   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Gee, maybe you guys could get a job with an agency that could straighten things out. I mean something beside a photog forum where you could have a real impact on world health with your vast knowledge.

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Mar 16, 2022 12:05:30   #
David Martin Loc: Cary, NC
 
Watosh wrote:

If lots of people have known this for some time, it's an excellent example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

Or to paraphrase Ronald Reagan, the trouble with some of our friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.

The referenced article refers to a presentation by Dr. David Martin (no relation to me), who is not a medical doctor, but rather a financial analyst, businessman, author and self-help entrepreneur. He appears in the discredited film "Plandemic" and apparently supports anti-vaxxer Robert Kennedy, Jr.

He claims the mRNA vaccines are not vaccines because they do not introduce an antigen, and because they do not prevent infection nor transmission. Rather, he claims, the mRNA vaccines are "gene therapy."

It is true that the mRNA vaccines do not introduce an antigen; rather, they introduce mRNA that instructs the human cells to manufacture the antigen. In other words, new technology to accomplish the same result.

Very few vaccines completely prevent infection and transmission. There is ample data from several countries (not just CDC) to indicate that the mRNA vaccines do prevent infection and transmission, not 100% of the time, but enough to make a significant difference. Further, the mRNA vaccines were developed specifically against the alpha variant of Covid, and are less effective against subsequent variants, which makes medical sense.

Are the mRNA vaccines gene therapy? The accepted definition of "gene therapy" is the treatment of a medical condition by replacing a defective gene with a healthy gene, or introducing a gene with specific disease-fighting ability to replace an existing gene. Either way, the person's genetic material is altered.

Recall that our genes reside in the nucleus of cells. Gene therapy therefore involves introducing new genetic material into the nuclei of cells.

mRNA vaccines to not introduce genes, and do not introduce any material into our cell nuclei. Rather, they provide mRNA into the cytoplasm, providing the cells' existing genetic structure a set of instructions on how to manufacture the antigen, which in the case of Covid is a spike protein. The mRNA does not enter the nucleus, is destroyed over several hours to days, and does not permanently alter the genes within the cell nucleus.

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Mar 16, 2022 13:22:14   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
Watosh wrote:


Youre not alone. They dont call what comes on TV programs for nothing

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Mar 17, 2022 09:12:08   #
mjmoore17 Loc: Philadelphia, PA area
 
Watosh wrote:


What if the earth was really flat. What if you had a brain.

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Mar 17, 2022 10:10:29   #
FrumCA
 
DaveO wrote:
Gee, maybe you guys could get a job with an agency that could straighten things out. I mean something beside a photog forum where you could have a real impact on world health with your vast knowledge.



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Mar 17, 2022 10:14:25   #
FrumCA
 
Watosh wrote:

Many real medical doctors would and do dispute the claim that the vaccines alter your DNA. This guy is an anti-vaxxer who's opinions should be taken with a grain of skepticism. A large grain at that!!

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Mar 17, 2022 16:05:18   #
cwp3420
 
mjmoore17 wrote:
What if the earth was really flat. What if you had a brain.


What if you were intelligent?

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Mar 17, 2022 20:36:14   #
scooter1 Loc: Yacolt, Wa.
 
David Martin wrote:
If lots of people have known this for some time, it's an excellent example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

Or to paraphrase Ronald Reagan, the trouble with some of our friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.

The referenced article refers to a presentation by Dr. David Martin (no relation to me), who is not a medical doctor, but rather a financial analyst, businessman, author and self-help entrepreneur. He appears in the discredited film "Plandemic" and apparently supports anti-vaxxer Robert Kennedy, Jr.

He claims the mRNA vaccines are not vaccines because they do not introduce an antigen, and because they do not prevent infection nor transmission. Rather, he claims, the mRNA vaccines are "gene therapy."

It is true that the mRNA vaccines do not introduce an antigen; rather, they introduce mRNA that instructs the human cells to manufacture the antigen. In other words, new technology to accomplish the same result.

Very few vaccines completely prevent infection and transmission. There is ample data from several countries (not just CDC) to indicate that the mRNA vaccines do prevent infection and transmission, not 100% of the time, but enough to make a significant difference. Further, the mRNA vaccines were developed specifically against the alpha variant of Covid, and are less effective against subsequent variants, which makes medical sense.

Are the mRNA vaccines gene therapy? The accepted definition of "gene therapy" is the treatment of a medical condition by replacing a defective gene with a healthy gene, or introducing a gene with specific disease-fighting ability to replace an existing gene. Either way, the person's genetic material is altered.

Recall that our genes reside in the nucleus of cells. Gene therapy therefore involves introducing new genetic material into the nuclei of cells.

mRNA vaccines to not introduce genes, and do not introduce any material into our cell nuclei. Rather, they provide mRNA into the cytoplasm, providing the cells' existing genetic structure a set of instructions on how to manufacture the antigen, which in the case of Covid is a spike protein. The mRNA does not enter the nucleus, is destroyed over several hours to days, and does not permanently alter the genes within the cell nucleus.
If lots of people have known this for some time, i... (show quote)


WOW your second sentence describes liberals on UG to a T!

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Mar 17, 2022 20:47:36   #
Rose42
 
Watosh wrote:


They’re not vaccines. But people want to believe they are. They’re more like the flu shot which isn’t a vaccine either.

People can wordsmith all they want. It changes nothing.

I didn’t read the article

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Mar 18, 2022 06:44:26   #
David Martin Loc: Cary, NC
 
Rose42 wrote:
They’re more like the flu shot which isn’t a vaccine either.

Astounding statement. Please explain why the flu shot isn't a vaccine.
Rose42 wrote:
People can wordsmith all they want. It changes nothing.

No offense, but your comments appear to be an excellent example.

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Mar 18, 2022 07:11:08   #
Rose42
 
David Martin wrote:
No offense, but your comments appear to be an excellent example.


Yours are a better example

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Mar 18, 2022 07:27:35   #
David Martin Loc: Cary, NC
 
Rose42 wrote:
Yours are a better example

So you have no response to my request for an explanation of why you don't think the flu shot is a vaccine?

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