Navy rescues 94 million dollar F-35 from South China Sea (Page 3): China has access to all of the technology of the billions of dollars of the state-of-the-art military equipment that...

sippyjug104 Loc: Missouri

China has access to all of the technology of the billions of dollars of the state-of-the-art military equipment that we left behind in our retreat from Afghanistan.

SteveR Loc: Michigan

BobHartung wrote:

You know nothing. What where the weather conditions? Was there a technical or computer problem. Was the ALS working correctly? The decision to fly or not is not left to one person but to a board of seasoned aviators with long track records.

P.S. I am a former Naval Flight Surgeon and have served on accident investigation panels and been present at fitness for flight hearings. Your experience?

As a veteran who served closely in these conditions, I respect your input. May I ask a couple of questions. Until these fitness hearings took place, what kind of status would the pilots be placed on? Also, how long might it take for these investigations to take? Just from watching Air Disasters on Smithsonian, I know that they can take quite some time, if there is any comparison.

BobHartung Loc: Bettendorf, IA

SteveR wrote:

As a veteran who served closely in these conditions, I respect your input. May I ask a couple of questions. Until these fitness hearings took place, what kind of status would the pilots be placed on? Also, how long might it take for these investigations to take? Just from watching Air Disasters on Smithsonian, I know that they can take quite some time, if there is any comparison.

Usually the pilot was removed from flight status until the accident investigation was complete. The fitness hearing could happen very quickly or in some cases be dragged out. There are so many variables.

Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA

tcthome wrote:

In this day & age if conducting operation in the area, any area, they should have a salvage crew within a resonable distance. Too much tech to let get into anothers country's hands. IMO!

Exactly why the did the recovery - 1974 the cia used the glowmar explorer - a howard house company built ship that was supposedly to be used for deep sea mining - the whole world bought it to recover a soviet sub that went down in 16,000 ft of water- they recovered a lot of secret soviet stuff that day.

look it up - an interesting story.

SteveR Loc: Michigan

BobHartung wrote:

Usually the pilot was removed from flight status until the accident investigation was complete. The fitness hearing could happen very quickly or in some cases be dragged out. There are so many variables.

Thank you. BTW, I wasn't trying to be dismissive. In essence, I knew what you just told me. My Dad served in the Army Air Force during WWII and afterwards, and finished his 20 years in the reserves. His two best friends were bird colonels.

BobHartung Loc: Bettendorf, IA

SteveR wrote:

Thank you. BTW, I wasn't trying to be dismissive. In essence, I knew what you just told me. My Dad served in the Army Air Force during WWII and afterwards, and finished his 20 years in the reserves. His two best friends were bird colonels.

cobra6922 Loc: Enumclaw WA

Forty-eight hours before the incident the pilot was in perfect health. He received a vaccination. When he was on final he had an attack, and his words were,”%#?$& vaccine”.

blackhorse 1-7

I am grateful for your comments. I read the other guy's belief in "pilot error" but bit my tongue until I saw your remarks. Excuse my rudeness but his comment that "...the video showed the pilot cut power too soon" was idiotic and made by someone who has no concept of a jet landing on a carrier. NO jet cuts power on short final onto a carrier, but relies upon arresting wires to stop. Power in NEVER reduced while landing on a carrier because of the "spool up time" needed to achieve "go around" power.

Daryls Loc: Waco, TX

kvanhook wrote:

One of my college friends did over 1100 carrier landings in his Navy career. One of the most challenging things to do. I'm wondering, how would the Chinese know there was a plane at the bottom of the ocean?

Kvanhook, there were many news reports, even from the military, about the crash and sinking. The Chinese monitor our media and government reports. In the 1960s and 70s we sent truck-loads of government-produced reports to the Russian embassy in DC every week. We gave them so much good data that they didn't believe we were sending them truthful data (in Russia that type of data is highly classified), so their agents collected as much of the same data as they could from independent sources to verify it. The Chinese have many spies and supporters here in the USA that send them all sorts of data. They knew, and we knew they knew. That is why we rushed to recover it.

Daryl

BobHartung Loc: Bettendorf, IA

Daryls wrote:

Kvanhook, there were many news reports, even from ... (show quote)

Also, during my time in the US 7th Fleet, we were always shadowed by a Russian ship. I can't help but believe the Chinese do the same thing.

boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander

SteveR wrote:

I'm not sure about gathering information about the accident, but the Chinese won't get it and its secrets.

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The single most difficult and dangerous thing that any pilot (no matter how well trained) can do is land on an aircraft carrier. Any number of things can go wrong having nothing to do with the skill of the pilot.

joelbolden

I spent a couple of years flying as an aircrewman with a recon squadron based out of Rota, Spain. Flew from three different Carriers(we'd go aboard as a 2 plane detachment) in EA-3B Skywarriors and it was the most challenging part of my career. The Skywarrior was the largest aircraft to operate off of a carrier. Had one pilot who always left his mike open and his comments to himself when he boltered(missed the wire) and had to come around again were, to say the least, awe inspiring! In those two years we lost 42 personnel....none during the actual takeoffs/landings on carriers. From then on, it was the last time the squadron ever lost a pilot/crewman.

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

BobHartung wrote:

Also, during my time in the US 7th Fleet, we were always shadowed by a Russian ship. I can't help but believe the Chinese do the same thing.

I saw a very good movie, The Bedford Incident, years ago at a drive-in. An American destroyer was shadowing a Russian sub. Good movie and, unfortunately, believable.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058962/