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Mar 6, 2022 20:08:23   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
Your story is behind a paid firewall, so most of us can't get to it!

Unlike the "free" links I provide and you usually refuse to click on.

So why don't you copy the content of the story and post it for all of us to read?


Well, I can read it and I'm not a paying member of Time. I will copy and paste the article content when I am home.

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Mar 6, 2022 20:11:30   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
Your story is behind a paid firewall, so most of us can't get to it!

Unlike the "free" links I provide and you usually refuse to click on.

So why don't you copy the content of the story and post it for all of us to read?


They not going use naTO pilots they going use Ukraine pilots that been trained mig29

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Mar 7, 2022 08:28:29   #
Reddog Loc: Southern Calif
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
"WASHINGTON — History is full of strange odysseys and intersections.

But it’s bizarre that two men who were both front page news in the Friday Times started on similar paths and, with a consequential encounter along the way, ended up so differently.

Donald Trump and Volodymyr Zelensky both played leaders on TV shows and then became leaders in real life. They both used social media to gain power. And they both had zany acting gigs.

In 2015, Trump, who had a cameo in “Home Alone 2: Lost in New York,” debated whether to play a president in “Sharknado 3: Oh Hell No!” or actually run for the presidency.

Zelensky starred in romantic comedies and played the president of Ukraine in a sitcom. He shimmied in a fringed, hot-pink number to win the Ukrainian version of “Dancing With the Stars,” did the voice of Paddington Bear when the “Paddington” movies were dubbed in Ukrainian, and entertained a roaring live audience by dropping his pants and providing a lewd performance of “Hava Nagila” — a nod to his Jewish heritage.

But after they ascended to power, the would-be president of “Sharknado 3” and the Ukrainian voice of Paddington Bear took on very different roles.

Trump became a blackguard. Zelensky donned a white hat. Trump tried to overturn American democracy. Zelensky tried to save Ukrainian democracy.
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Trump was always a faux tough guy who bragged about grabbing women and loved all things military except serving in it. Cadet Bone Spurs. Courage was an alien concept to this spoiled brat; he has always been a bully who let other people do the fighting for him.

He sicced a mob on the Capitol, while he went back to the comfort of the White House to watch his attempted coup play out on TV and to gloat about the frightened, barricaded lawmakers and his own trapped vice president.

Zelensky has stayed rooted in Kyiv to rally the morale of his brutalized country and face down Vladimir Putin and the invading Russian army. He admits he is afraid, but he doesn’t show it as danger closes in. Zelensky knows, as Putin’s “Target No. 1,” he could lose his life.

The 44-year-old Ukrainian president has become a symbol of bravery. His leadership has been defined by nimble action against overwhelming odds, great one-liners like “I need ammunition, not a ride,” and modesty. As he said in his inauguration speech in 2019: “I would very much like for you to not have my portrait in your offices. No portraits! A president is not an icon, nor an idol. A president is not a portrait. Put photographs of your children there, instead. And before making any decision, look them in the eyes.”

Stubbly and exhausted, operating on three hours of sleep a night, dressed in an Army-green T-shirt, he dragged his own chair into position at a news conference he held while in hiding.

Trump, in a nimbus of selfishness and narcissism, inverted revered American ideals. He soiled the image of his country and reshaped it around his grievances and inadequacies.

Zelensky stood up for Ukrainian ideals. He helped imbue his country with a shining, resilient image, reinforced when the world saw remarkable images of battle-ready mothers and grannies making Molotov cocktails.

Trump was impeached in 2019 for withholding military aid to Ukraine (“I would like you to do us a favor, though”) until Zelensky dug up dirt on Joe Biden, Trump’s rival, and Hunter Biden, who was on the board of a Ukrainian natural gas company.

As Franklin Foer wrote in The Atlantic, before that call, America had always tried to inject morality into Ukrainian politics. But Trump “polluted Ukraine with his own transactional politics.

Representative Adam Schiff and other Democratic leaders of that impeachment say people can now see how wrong Trump was to try to withhold aid to Zelensky, then in office only two months.

“It hammers home how despicable an act it was to treat Ukraine as a political plaything,” Schiff told Rolling Stone.

The claim by Trump and his sycophants that his relationship with Putin had kept Russia out of Ukraine is ludicrous. He was Putin’s poodle and Putin would have rolled over him; he was biding his time as Trump weakened NATO.

Trump praised Putin for an act of “genius” even as the rest of the world was watching in horror as the mad Russian president prepared to order the bloody march through Ukraine and suffocated the remnants of a free press in Moscow.

That was a shameful moment, as was a House committee on Wednesday producing evidence it said showed that Trump had conspired to commit fraud and obstruction by bamboozling Americans about the election and trying to flip the result.

There were even some Republicans — mirabile dictu — backing away from the toxic Trump over Ukraine. In a speech to top G.O.P. donors Friday night in New Orleans, Mike Pence included the line, “There is no room in this party for apologists for Putin.”

By standing up to the Evil Empire, Zelensky could earn comparisons to another performer turned pol, and that should grate on Trump as much as having his vice president turn on him.

Ronald Reagan helped lift the Iron Curtain. Zelensky is trying his best to stop it from slamming down again."

Maureeen Dowd
"WASHINGTON — History is full of strange odys... (show quote)


The trump cultists will hate this!👍🏻

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Mar 7, 2022 08:46:44   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
dirtpusher wrote:
They not going use naTO pilots they going use Ukraine pilots that been trained mig29

A big question will be if all of the Ukranian airfields are bombed and unusable, will Ukranian pilots be violating NATO rules by flying out of a NATO country to conduct their bombing missions against their russian targets in Ukraine?

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Mar 7, 2022 08:54:51   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
A big question will be if all of the Ukranian airfields are bombed and unusable, will Ukranian pilots be violating NATO rules by flying out of a NATO country to conduct their bombing missions against their russian targets in Ukraine?


Does it make sense for only one side to consider absolute compliance with all “rules” if the other side is guilty of not following the “rules” and guilty of oppressive war crimes?

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Mar 7, 2022 10:04:31   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
DaveO wrote:
Does it make sense for only one side to consider absolute compliance with all “rules” if the other side is guilty of not following the “rules” and guilty of oppressive war crimes?

Russia hasn't violated NATO rules.

Russia is only guilty of War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity.

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Mar 7, 2022 10:25:50   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
The biggest difference is that Zelenshy earned a law degree in 2000, he understands the difference between a democracy with free and fair elections vs. an autocracy, and Zelensky isn't afraid to get his hands dirty fighting alongside his soldiers on the frontlines battling Putin's inept military and defending Ukraine's souvrenty!

You'd never catch trump with anything more lethal than a golf club in his hands, and god forbid you'd never find trump fighting in the dust, dirt, or mud anywhere! That would smear his make-up, and a helmet would crush his coifed hair!
The biggest difference is that Zelenshy earned a l... (show quote)


We need somebody like Biden whose claims show he would kick Putin's ass behind the Kremlin wall. Or maybe outmatch him in push-ups. Oh, wait! How's that going now?

Oh! and by the way, History will recall the most shameful moment in the history of Ukraine and the U.S. was the Biden crime family covering up their illegal graft operations in Ukraine. And Trump having the balls to want to prosecute these thugs and getting impeached for it.

Oh! and also, When the Ukrainians asked for lethal aid against the threats and incursions by Russia, Obama and Biden sent them MCI-rations and blankets, while Donald Trump sent them Stinger missiles.

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Mar 7, 2022 11:45:06   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
Russia hasn't violated NATO rules.

Russia is only guilty of War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity.


I didn’t say anyone violated anything, but rather they may have committed war crimes that could justify intervention by the so called leaders of the free world. Of course I suppose that we could use such concern for rules as an excuse to watch. Who’s next…

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Mar 7, 2022 12:00:16   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
What would you rather have a politician that tries to become a poor comedian or a comedian that becomes a great leader who leads by example ?

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/06/opinions/trump-russia-ukraine-rnc-obeidallah/index.html

“”””” Before he entered politics, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky was a professional comedian. Former US President Donald Trump, on the other hand, just plays a bad one at GOP gatherings.

We saw this on Saturday night during a two-day event for top Republican National Committee donors. With the world watching in horror as Russian President Vladimir Putin unleashes hell upon the Ukrainian people, Trump had the chance to share his vision with the GOP elite on how he would handle the situation.



Did Trump, who appears to be gearing up for a run again in 2024, lay out a detailed, well-researched, militarily sound plan to counter Putin? Of course not. Instead, he thought this would be a good time to crack a joke, despite heart-wrenching images of Ukrainians being bombed and fleeing for their lives.


According to a recording of the speech obtained by The Washington Post, Trump told the audience of GOP donors that the United States should "put the Chinese flag" on F-22 fighter jets and "bomb the s**t" out of Russia. He quipped, "And then we say, China did it. Then they start fighting with each other, and we sit back and watch."

The Post reports that the audience responded with laughter, which is baffling. This is the type of joke a second-rate comedian would make in a crappy comedy club in New Jersey on a weeknight -- not the words of a former President of the United States. But apparently to Trump, joking about a conflict where people are fighting for their lives against a nuclear superpower is a real knee-slapper.

At least Trump didn't praise Putin, like he did the week before at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC), where he told the audience of Republicans that Putin was "smart." At the time Trump made that remark, Putin's unprovoked attack on Ukraine had been raging for days. The media was flooded with reports of civilians being killed, while well over 100,000 Ukrainians had fled the nation. What's worse, Trump's accolades for Putin at CPAC were on the heels of more praise for the Russian leader, whom Trump despicably described as a "genius" and "savvy" just before Russia invaded Ukraine.

Contrast that with Zelensky, a trained actor and comedian who starred as a president in the Ukrainian political satire series "Servant of the People." When Zelensky was a performer, reports are he was very funny -- writing and starring in comedic films and even voicing Paddington Bear for the Ukrainian version of the hit 2014 film and its 2017 sequel.

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But this professional comedian, who was elected president of Ukraine in 2019, fully understands that in the time of a brutal war the world needed leadership -- not bad attempts at comedy. That explains Zelensky's response when asked about an offer by the US to evacuate him. "The fight is here," Zelensky said, adding the now iconic line: "I need ammunition, not a ride."

Since then, the 44-year-old Ukrainian chief of state has given the world a master class in leading a resistance against a malignant bully. The latest example came Saturday morning when Zelensky addressed members of our Congress via Zoom to make his case for more assistance.

Zelensky made an impassioned plea for the US to impose more stringent economic sanctions on Russia. And he renewed his call for NATO to impose a no-fly zone over his nation of over 40 million people. Zelensky also urged the US to facilitate the delivery of fighter aircraft to Ukraine from the inventory of our NATO allies in the region. A White House spokesperson confirmed later Saturday that the administration is working with Poland -- a member of NATO -- on the possibility that nation would provide fighter jets to Ukraine.

In contrast, Trump slammed NATO on Saturday after "joking" about putting Chinese flags on American F-22 fighter jets. According to a CBS News report, he appeared to suggest a military escalation involving American troops and NATO allies against Russia, stating, "Are all of these nations going to stand by and watch perhaps millions of people be slaughtered as the onslaught continues? ... We can't let it happen."

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Trump suddenly growing a spine in dealing with Putin can likely be traced to the criticism he received the night before at the same GOP donors event by his former vice president, Mike Pence. While not mentioning Trump by name, Pence bluntly stated, "There is no room in this party for apologists for Putin. There is only room for champions of freedom."

But Trump was not done with the "jokes" Saturday, as he went on to praise another ruthless dictator: North Korea's Kim Jong-un. Trump, who has a long history of heaping kind words on autocrats, reportedly said of Kim Jong-un, "he's absolutely the leader of that country," adding that when he talked, his advisors "cowered" and "stood up so fast." Trump then "joked," per The Washington Post: "I want my people to act like that."

Any global political figure should understand that there's a time to bring levity, and then there are times that demand sobering leadership. That's especially true in moments like these with a horrific war raging and the specter of a potential world war looming.

Zelensky, the professional comedian, knows this, while Trump -- a man desperate for attention -- is selfishly clueless. That's why Zelensky is on the world stage being praised as a leader while Trump is a twice-impeached President telling bad jokes to a room full of GOP donors.



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Mar 7, 2022 12:18:07   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
DaveO wrote:
I didn’t say anyone violated anything, but rather they may have committed war crimes that could justify intervention by the so called leaders of the free world. Of course I suppose that we could use such concern for rules as an excuse to watch. Who’s next…

War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity against Putin are at this very minute being investigated by the International Crimimal Court.

You don’t want them coming after the United States because we jumped the gun and sent in NATO troops, do you?

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Mar 7, 2022 12:36:55   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity against Putin are at this very minute being investigated by the International Crimimal Court.

You don’t want them coming after the United States because we jumped the gun and sent in NATO troops, do you?


Are you having difficulty following my responses? In no way did I imply that and I was quite careful to address the supposed crimes as needing to be examined and if they are true, then perhaps we, the concerned countries, need not explicitly stick to the “rules” you were mentioning.

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Mar 7, 2022 13:36:03   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
DennyT wrote:
What would you rather have a politician that tries to become a poor comedian or a comedian that becomes a great leader who leads by example ?

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/06/opinions/trump-russia-ukraine-rnc-obeidallah/index.html

“”””” Before he entered politics, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky was a professional comedian. Former US President Donald Trump, on the other hand, just plays a bad one at GOP gatherings.

We saw this on Saturday night during a two-day event for top Republican National Committee donors. With the world watching in horror as Russian President Vladimir Putin unleashes hell upon the Ukrainian people, Trump had the chance to share his vision with the GOP elite on how he would handle the situation.



Did Trump, who appears to be gearing up for a run again in 2024, lay out a detailed, well-researched, militarily sound plan to counter Putin? Of course not. Instead, he thought this would be a good time to crack a joke, despite heart-wrenching images of Ukrainians being bombed and fleeing for their lives.


According to a recording of the speech obtained by The Washington Post, Trump told the audience of GOP donors that the United States should "put the Chinese flag" on F-22 fighter jets and "bomb the s**t" out of Russia. He quipped, "And then we say, China did it. Then they start fighting with each other, and we sit back and watch."

The Post reports that the audience responded with laughter, which is baffling. This is the type of joke a second-rate comedian would make in a crappy comedy club in New Jersey on a weeknight -- not the words of a former President of the United States. But apparently to Trump, joking about a conflict where people are fighting for their lives against a nuclear superpower is a real knee-slapper.

At least Trump didn't praise Putin, like he did the week before at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC), where he told the audience of Republicans that Putin was "smart." At the time Trump made that remark, Putin's unprovoked attack on Ukraine had been raging for days. The media was flooded with reports of civilians being killed, while well over 100,000 Ukrainians had fled the nation. What's worse, Trump's accolades for Putin at CPAC were on the heels of more praise for the Russian leader, whom Trump despicably described as a "genius" and "savvy" just before Russia invaded Ukraine.

Contrast that with Zelensky, a trained actor and comedian who starred as a president in the Ukrainian political satire series "Servant of the People." When Zelensky was a performer, reports are he was very funny -- writing and starring in comedic films and even voicing Paddington Bear for the Ukrainian version of the hit 2014 film and its 2017 sequel.

'Hillary Clinton Derangement Syndrome' is worse than ever
But this professional comedian, who was elected president of Ukraine in 2019, fully understands that in the time of a brutal war the world needed leadership -- not bad attempts at comedy. That explains Zelensky's response when asked about an offer by the US to evacuate him. "The fight is here," Zelensky said, adding the now iconic line: "I need ammunition, not a ride."

Since then, the 44-year-old Ukrainian chief of state has given the world a master class in leading a resistance against a malignant bully. The latest example came Saturday morning when Zelensky addressed members of our Congress via Zoom to make his case for more assistance.

Zelensky made an impassioned plea for the US to impose more stringent economic sanctions on Russia. And he renewed his call for NATO to impose a no-fly zone over his nation of over 40 million people. Zelensky also urged the US to facilitate the delivery of fighter aircraft to Ukraine from the inventory of our NATO allies in the region. A White House spokesperson confirmed later Saturday that the administration is working with Poland -- a member of NATO -- on the possibility that nation would provide fighter jets to Ukraine.

In contrast, Trump slammed NATO on Saturday after "joking" about putting Chinese flags on American F-22 fighter jets. According to a CBS News report, he appeared to suggest a military escalation involving American troops and NATO allies against Russia, stating, "Are all of these nations going to stand by and watch perhaps millions of people be slaughtered as the onslaught continues? ... We can't let it happen."

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Trump suddenly growing a spine in dealing with Putin can likely be traced to the criticism he received the night before at the same GOP donors event by his former vice president, Mike Pence. While not mentioning Trump by name, Pence bluntly stated, "There is no room in this party for apologists for Putin. There is only room for champions of freedom."

But Trump was not done with the "jokes" Saturday, as he went on to praise another ruthless dictator: North Korea's Kim Jong-un. Trump, who has a long history of heaping kind words on autocrats, reportedly said of Kim Jong-un, "he's absolutely the leader of that country," adding that when he talked, his advisors "cowered" and "stood up so fast." Trump then "joked," per The Washington Post: "I want my people to act like that."

Any global political figure should understand that there's a time to bring levity, and then there are times that demand sobering leadership. That's especially true in moments like these with a horrific war raging and the specter of a potential world war looming.

Zelensky, the professional comedian, knows this, while Trump -- a man desperate for attention -- is selfishly clueless. That's why Zelensky is on the world stage being praised as a leader while Trump is a twice-impeached President telling bad jokes to a room full of GOP donors.



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Trump says, "Are all of these nations going to stand by and watch perhaps millions of people be slaughtered as the onslaught continues? ... We can't let it happen." Where's the joke there?

And I remember the joke of Ronald Reagan who said in an open mike, '...Bombing of the Soviet Union will start soon...' and Lo and behold, the Soviets folded like a cheap suit shortly thereafter..

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Mar 7, 2022 13:50:06   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
Fotoartist wrote:
Trump says, "Are all of these nations going to stand by and watch perhaps millions of people be slaughtered as the onslaught continues? ... We can't let it happen." Where's the joke there?

And I remember the joke of Ronald Reagan who said in an open mike, '...Bombing of the Soviet Union will start soon...' and Lo and behold, the Soviets folded like a cheap suit shortly thereafter..


But he hasn’t offered a solution except to paint our jets as Chinese. Bomb the Russians an blame the Chinese. You probably laughed.

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Mar 7, 2022 15:36:33   #
srg
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
"Trump Derangement Syndrome" applies more aptly to the fools that continue to worship and believe this buffoon despite his narcissistic history of mendacity and misplaced patriotic indecency. Trump is a thug and a fraud.


Exactly

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Mar 7, 2022 15:46:54   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
DaveO wrote:
No need to be talking about love!


love is dirt & frank!!

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