"Excess Deaths": I see no need to get political about this post and have it sent to The Attic. I had never heard the term "excess deaths" before, but Dr. Campbell (in England) used...

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

I see no need to get political about this post and have it sent to The Attic.

I had never heard the term "excess deaths" before, but Dr. Campbell (in England) used that term about statistics in England.

Yesterday, I saw an article in the Washington Post about excess deaths in the US during the pandemic. Over 910,000 people died from Covid, but the excess deaths totaled over 1,000,000, and they can be attributed to the pandemic. I don't mean someone who fell down the stairs or got hit by a car, but many people died as a result of Covid without getting the disease.

You should be able to read this article from a Google search without a subscription. As a test, I sent it to a friend, and he could read it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/02/15/1-million-excess-deaths-in-pandemic/

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

Perception.....

jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana

These sorts of statistics remind me of the cartoon showing a guy on the autopsy table shot full of holes, and the doc says they’d better check for covid just to be sure.

tgreenhaw

jaymatt wrote:

These sorts of statistics remind me of the cartoon showing a guy on the autopsy table shot full of holes, and the doc says they’d better check for covid just to be sure.

LOL, that's funny :-)

Maybe he was shot because he demanded that some cranky person put on their mask. That would be an example of and Excess Death potentially attributable to Covid but not a direct cause.

suntouched Loc: Sierra Vista AZ

jerryc41 wrote:

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Interesting- excess deaths is one way of calculating loss of life from Covid since actual record keeping was inaccurate to say the least. As for the shut down, it was very weird not seeing another car as I drove down a major route outside of Salem, Oregon. Felt like the Twilight Zone. I kept thinking the Highway Patrol was going to stop me for leaving my home.

fourlocks Loc: Londonderry, NH

tgreenhaw wrote:

LOL, that's funny :-)

Maybe he was shot because he demanded that some cranky person put on their mask. That would be an example of and Excess Death potentially attributable to Covid but not a direct cause.

Trouble is, you can carry this line of thinking to the point of absurdity. Because COVID caused the closure of so many restaurants, a couple cooked home more often, creating more leftovers. After consuming leftovers that had gone bad, decided to go to the drugstore for some Pepto Bismal but a sharp, painful gas attack on the way caused the diver to swerve off the road into a tree, killing them both. Another COVID excess death?

Tex-s

I, too, had never heard the term ‘excess deaths’ until recently. As a math guy, I’ll be interested to see to what extent these ‘excess’ deaths end up being merely accelerated. Just in my small sphere of family and friends, I have lost lost one to Covid complications and 3 to other disease, and each of those 3 experienced a distinct lack of medical access due to closures and other restrictions.

Only 18 months into Covid lockdowns and lock outs, the media and others finally decided to look at peripheral health effects like drug use, mental health, alcohol, domestic violence, suicide, delayed treatment, etc. … We math folks asked those questions on day one, sometimes being evicted from social media for our query. Now, though, our so-called science denial is science fact.

If 2023-2024 show lower than average deaths, will media tout it? If so, will it be attributed to accelerated deaths in Covid or some other cause? My guess is media will utterly ignore all news that tends to question authoritarian measures, but I’m a cynic.

Nancysc

"Excess deaths" is a public health concept going back many decades. It is simply the number of deaths from all causes over the number of deaths from all causes from a previous comparable period. In the absence of any other circumstance that kills numbers of people, the "excess deaths" are assumed to be from Covid. I believe Covid deaths have been undercounted, since people who die at home from Covid are frequently not examined by a coroner. People who die in hospital from the complications of Covid have prevailed upon medical providers not to list the death as Covid, esp when the deceased was not vaccinated.

jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana

BobHartung Loc: Bettendorf, IA

jerryc41 wrote:

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The first paragraph of this article gives a brief layman's definition of "excess deaths".

St.Mary's

Take this to the bank people, everyone that clicked on UHH today is going to die.

happy sailor Loc: Ontario, Canada

Nancysc wrote:

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Not to be argumentative but where do you live that people that die at home are frequently not examined by a coroner. I am pretty surprised by that comment. Really can't see a medical person concerned with whether a person was vaccinated or not when they are recording the cause of death.

I expect medical practitioners to record facts, the government here has started reporting deaths from covid as well as death with covid.

Toment Loc: FL, IL

St.Mary's wrote:

Take this to the bank people, everyone that clicked on UHH today is going to die.

True….

jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ

jerryc41 wrote:

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All the covid deaths have been greatly exaggerated by the government which probably means that the "excess" deaths are too. I personally know of at least 2 people that died that had nothing to do with covid, but they were chalked up as a covid death. Remember, hospitals are profiting by calling it a covid related death.

Also, I think there are a lot of false positives when testing for covid. I can say this because many of the people that went to China for the winter Olympics have tested positive for covid but never got sick but still remained in quarantine for up to 10 days. I know this because a friend of mine is a photographer that does summer and winter Olympics and he decided at the last minute not to go. He is in touch with fellow photogs that did go and got quarantined in the 1 star hotel but never got sick. He was also in touch with many of the athletes that had the same thing happen.

EdJ0307 Loc: out west someplace

jeep_daddy wrote:

All the covid deaths have been greatly exaggerated by the government which probably means that the "excess" deaths are too. I personally know of at least 2 people that died that had nothing to do with covid, but they were chalked up as a covid death. Remember, hospitals are profiting by calling it a covid related death.

Well, so much for "not getting political".