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Feb 13, 2022 22:30:32   #
dwmoar Loc: Oregon, Willamette Valley
 
bikinkawboy wrote:
I see unicorns shooting rainbows out their butts. Now that’s positive!


Better then chocolate ice cream with sprinkles

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Feb 14, 2022 19:11:31   #
suntouched Loc: Sierra Vista AZ
 
RodeoMan wrote:
If you want to ask others about a particular piece of equipment, how it worked for them, how it might work for you after you have stated what you intend to use it for that is your business.
If you want to purchase a particular piece of equipment, say a new camera, for conspicuous consumption that too is your business. And how can you be conspicuous unless you announce your purchase to others?


Consumption means using up-
Conspicuous Consumption- has a negative implication
I was going to ask for clarification but this subject has probably been exhausted so I won't drag it out by asking.

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Feb 14, 2022 22:35:30   #
RodeoMan Loc: St Joseph, Missouri
 
"Conspicuous Consumption" was term coined in the early part of the last century by economist Thorstein Veblen in his book The Theory of the Leisure Class and refers to people of higher economic class flouting their social clout by showing off their wealth by purchasing very expensive items that they did not need in their daily lives, but were purchased to show off to their wealth to others who were similarly situated. Over the years it has come to refer to, I think, to anyone who buys something they don't really need for the purpose of showing off to others or to affirm for themselves that they have achieved a certain degree of status or economic comfort that they can afford the purchase. When we are talking about people on this forum who might possibly be seeking affirmation or recognition from others for their choice of a camera, it would be similar to me wanting the same sort of confirmation for new pen I purchased to further my fountain pen hobby. There is really no neighbor or anyone in my family or circle of friends who really would have any real interest or knowledge about my new pen. If I wanted a pat on the back for my choice, I would need to reach out to folks on fountain pen forum. It is same here. If people want to talk about their cameras and other equipment, they will reach out to their friends in this community or other similar forums. I was perhaps a bit flip in my final statement about if you want to be conspicuous you announce your purchase to others. However in the sense that I just mentioned, if I wanted to share my joy about a new camera purchase, what better way than to mention it on this forum of people who would understand how I felt. About your topic, judging by the number of responses received, you struck a chord with people. I agree with you about not asking others for permission to make a purchase for whatever reason you make that purchase. I agree that conspicuous consumption does have a negative ring to it, but realistically I don't know how our economy would run with out it. This has been an interesting discussion. Thank you for initiating it.

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Feb 15, 2022 00:58:34   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
RodeoMan wrote:
"Conspicuous Consumption" was term coined in the early part of the last century by economist Thorstein Veblen in his book The Theory of the Leisure Class and refers to people of higher economic class flouting their social clout by showing off their wealth by purchasing very expensive items that they did not need in their daily lives, but were purchased to show off to their wealth to others who were similarly situated. Over the years it has come to refer to, I think, to anyone who buys something they don't really need for the purpose of showing off to others or to affirm for themselves that they have achieved a certain degree of status or economic comfort that they can afford the purchase. When we are talking about people on this forum who might possibly be seeking affirmation or recognition from others for their choice of a camera, it would be similar to me wanting the same sort of confirmation for new pen I purchased to further my fountain pen hobby. There is really no neighbor or anyone in my family or circle of friends who really would have any real interest or knowledge about my new pen. If I wanted a pat on the back for my choice, I would need to reach out to folks on fountain pen forum. It is same here. If people want to talk about their cameras and other equipment, they will reach out to their friends in this community or other similar forums. I was perhaps a bit flip in my final statement about if you want to be conspicuous you announce your purchase to others. However in the sense that I just mentioned, if I wanted to share my joy about a new camera purchase, what better way than to mention it on this forum of people who would understand how I felt. About your topic, judging by the number of responses received, you struck a chord with people. I agree with you about not asking others for permission to make a purchase for whatever reason you make that purchase. I agree that conspicuous consumption does have a negative ring to it, but realistically I don't know how our economy would run with out it. This has been an interesting discussion. Thank you for initiating it.
"Conspicuous Consumption" was term coine... (show quote)


OLD money folks have humility and live modestly. No one need know they are wealthy, because they don't care. NEW money — the nouveaux riche — practice conspicuous consumption. They came from nowhere and have a need to celebrate, gloat, or otherwise let people know they've arrived. They flash their cars, houses, jewels, and clothes, almost as if they are convincing themselves they are worthy. They attract pick-pockets.

I've known both types in my life, along with folks across the spectrum of economic existence from penniless to millionaires. I greatly prefer those who don't care about their wealth or lack thereof. The old-monied tend to share generously, in anonymous ways, so you would never know they are filthy F-ing rich by their public actions. They are down to earth genuine souls, interesting to talk with, and learn from.

There was an old guy in my church when I was a teen who was a multi-millionaire. He ran a textile company in suburban Greenville, SC, which at the time, was the textile capital of the world. I chatted with Art for about three hours one Sunday afternoon, about photography. We were both hobbyists, and had a great conversation. The next week, he brought me some prints to look at, and I showed him a box of mine, too. He was good. But he asked me what I thought, and we shared stories.

I finally asked him what he did for a living. When I found out, I was stunned. He laughed. "Yeah, I have been pretty successful. But I was also lucky to be born into it. I can't say I'm special, just that I've paid attention. It could all be lost tomorrow, so I just want to enjoy today. Money won't make you happy. It just makes life easier." That was such a stunning statement, I went to the car and wrote it down. I'll never forget that guy. He was wealthy and he was humble. Many of the other folks in that church were semi-wealthy and cocky as hell. Art was just a nice guy, who happened to have money. He drove a ten-year-old car and wore worn out loafers and chinos with a tattered sport coat.

He did have a Rolleiflex 2.8F Planar... With a strip of gaffer's tape over the logo!

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Feb 15, 2022 03:26:25   #
RodeoMan Loc: St Joseph, Missouri
 
burkphoto wrote:
OLD money folks have humility and live modestly. No one need know they are wealthy, because they don't care. NEW money — the nouveaux riche — practice conspicuous consumption. They came from nowhere and have a need to celebrate, gloat, or otherwise let people know they've arrived. They flash their cars, houses, jewels, and clothes, almost as if they are convincing themselves they are worthy. They attract pick-pockets.

I've known both types in my life, along with folks across the spectrum of economic existence from penniless to millionaires. I greatly prefer those who don't care about their wealth or lack thereof. The old-monied tend to share generously, in anonymous ways, so you would never know they are filthy F-ing rich by their public actions. They are down to earth genuine souls, interesting to talk with, and learn from.

There was an old guy in my church when I was a teen who was a multi-millionaire. He ran a textile company in suburban Greenville, SC, which at the time, was the textile capital of the world. I chatted with Art for about three hours one Sunday afternoon, about photography. We were both hobbyists, and had a great conversation. The next week, he brought me some prints to look at, and I showed him a box of mine, too. He was good. But he asked me what I thought, and we shared stories.

I finally asked him what he did for a living. When I found out, I was stunned. He laughed. "Yeah, I have been pretty successful. But I was also lucky to be born into it. I can't say I'm special, just that I've paid attention. It could all be lost tomorrow, so I just want to enjoy today. Money won't make you happy. It just makes life easier." That was such a stunning statement, I went to the car and wrote it down. I'll never forget that guy. He was wealthy and he was humble. Many of the other folks in that church were semi-wealthy and cocky as hell. Art was just a nice guy, who happened to have money. He drove a ten-year-old car and wore worn out loafers and chinos with a tattered sport coat.

He did have a Rolleiflex 2.8F Planar... With a strip of gaffer's tape over the logo!
OLD money folks have humility and live modestly. N... (show quote)


Thank you for a great story and a good lesson. People should do the best with what they have and hopefully some of what they do should be to help make things better.

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Feb 15, 2022 07:56:17   #
Robertl594 Loc: Bloomfield Hills, Michigan and Nantucket
 
I enjoy new gear as much as I like taking the photographs. There is a balance. My balance is predicated on me, no one else. I buy what I want, when I want it, assuming I feel that I am receiving appropriate value for the money I have outlayed. This does partially border the lifestyle and form vs function question. By the way, I get wonderful service from my local camera store!

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Feb 15, 2022 08:35:22   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Start where you are. Buy equipment. Admire other's equipment. Buy more equipment. Sell equipment. Find a new hobby.

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Feb 15, 2022 17:42:35   #
Badgertale Loc: Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA
 
I love a good rant!

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Feb 15, 2022 20:56:42   #
junglejim1949 Loc: Sacramento,CA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
You're right. If you can afford another $3000 camera when you already own a $3000 camera that isn't anywhere near 'old' nor 'outdated', there's no reason to ask strangers on the internet for permission to spend your money on unneeded items. Most $3000 cameras are designed to last 10+ years, if not forever.

But, if you know in your heart you're not making a wise choice given your photography needs and personal financial situation, maybe that fear exhibits itself in needing to ask strangers on the internet what they think about the idea. And some strangers might give a candid response to your question, helping you make your own 'right' decision. Others, of course, will happily spend your money as if their own, their 'right' decision that may / may not apply to you.
You're right. If you can afford another $3000 came... (show quote)



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Feb 15, 2022 22:57:45   #
ronpier Loc: Poland Ohio
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Good question. If I'm leaning toward buying something, I never ask others for their opinions because I might get negative comments. I don't want to hear reasons for not buying something I want.

Having said that, I do read reviews and comparisons before I buy just about anything.


I ask others if they are helping to pay for it. Otherwise I prefer to make my own research and decisions.

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Feb 15, 2022 23:59:19   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
ronpier wrote:
I ask others if they are helping to pay for it. Otherwise I prefer to make my own research and decisions.


I do my own research too. A good part of that is asking opinions and reading reviews.

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Feb 16, 2022 08:02:47   #
Wroley1 Loc: Athens,GA
 
suntouched wrote:
Listen Up- there is NO Shame in upgrading your camera equipment even if only for GAS! If you want it and you can afford it then go for it. You don't need anyone's permission here to do that. You don't need anyone here setting limits on what you buy or how often you buy or if you should buy. If you have a closet full of unused equipment that is your business.

Will it make you a better photographer? Maybe or maybe not. But it will be fun to find out. New equipment will often push you forward to becoming better by the technical advances. It may help you see improvement which may be the catalyst for more improvement.

Why is it there is honor in using outdated equipment? It is often said here that my (really old) equipment works just fine. Well that's fine for you but don't use it as a measure of why someone else should not buy new.

It use to be fun here seeing members say "The Brown Truck is coming and then it fell out of favor followed by other members denigrating the purchase of new equipment. (yes- I have been on this forum for a long time) Why- why taint new equipment purchase with underlying negative judgement? There are real advances in new cameras now that can achieve results that older cameras can't- ISO improvement, focus, reduced size and weight, focus stacking, interval and video results and many other advances.

So let's not treat our members as children but as thinking adults. We should be responding to the implied question of what did you gain by updating not should I update. And GAS is ok.
Listen Up- there is NO Shame in upgrading your ca... (show quote)


Cheers! Somebody needed to say that.

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Feb 16, 2022 09:53:47   #
gwilliams6
 
suntouched wrote:
Listen Up- there is NO Shame in upgrading your camera equipment even if only for GAS! If you want it and you can afford it then go for it. You don't need anyone's permission here to do that. You don't need anyone here setting limits on what you buy or how often you buy or if you should buy. If you have a closet full of unused equipment that is your business.

Will it make you a better photographer? Maybe or maybe not. But it will be fun to find out. New equipment will often push you forward to becoming better by the technical advances. It may help you see improvement which may be the catalyst for more improvement.

Why is it there is honor in using outdated equipment? It is often said here that my (really old) equipment works just fine. Well that's fine for you but don't use it as a measure of why someone else should not buy new.

It use to be fun here seeing members say "The Brown Truck is coming and then it fell out of favor followed by other members denigrating the purchase of new equipment. (yes- I have been on this forum for a long time) Why- why taint new equipment purchase with underlying negative judgement? There are real advances in new cameras now that can achieve results that older cameras can't- ISO improvement, focus, reduced size and weight, focus stacking, interval and video results and many other advances.

So let's not treat our members as children but as thinking adults. We should be responding to the implied question of what did you gain by updating not should I update. And GAS is ok.
Listen Up- there is NO Shame in upgrading your ca... (show quote)



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Feb 16, 2022 13:14:46   #
Sierracoyote Loc: Sierra Nevada Mountains
 
suntouched wrote:
Listen Up- there is NO Shame in upgrading your camera equipment even if only for GAS! If you want it and you can afford it then go for it. You don't need anyone's permission here to do that. You don't need anyone here setting limits on what you buy or how often you buy or if you should buy. If you have a closet full of unused equipment that is your business.

Will it make you a better photographer? Maybe or maybe not. But it will be fun to find out. New equipment will often push you forward to becoming better by the technical advances. It may help you see improvement which may be the catalyst for more improvement.

Why is it there is honor in using outdated equipment? It is often said here that my (really old) equipment works just fine. Well that's fine for you but don't use it as a measure of why someone else should not buy new.
Well said!

It use to be fun here seeing members say "The Brown Truck is coming and then it fell out of favor followed by other members denigrating the purchase of new equipment. (yes- I have been on this forum for a long time) Why- why taint new equipment purchase with underlying negative judgement? There are real advances in new cameras now that can achieve results that older cameras can't- ISO improvement, focus, reduced size and weight, focus stacking, interval and video results and many other advances.

So let's not treat our members as children but as thinking adults. We should be responding to the implied question of what did you gain by updating not should I update. And GAS is ok.
Listen Up- there is NO Shame in upgrading your ca... (show quote)

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Feb 16, 2022 13:27:46   #
10MPlayer Loc: California
 
suntouched wrote:
Listen Up- there is NO Shame in upgrading your camera equipment even if only for GAS! If you want it and you can afford it then go for it. You don't need anyone's permission here to do that. You don't need anyone here setting limits on what you buy or how often you buy or if you should buy. If you have a closet full of unused equipment that is your business.

Will it make you a better photographer? Maybe or maybe not. But it will be fun to find out. New equipment will often push you forward to becoming better by the technical advances. It may help you see improvement which may be the catalyst for more improvement.

Why is it there is honor in using outdated equipment? It is often said here that my (really old) equipment works just fine. Well that's fine for you but don't use it as a measure of why someone else should not buy new.

It use to be fun here seeing members say "The Brown Truck is coming and then it fell out of favor followed by other members denigrating the purchase of new equipment. (yes- I have been on this forum for a long time) Why- why taint new equipment purchase with underlying negative judgement? There are real advances in new cameras now that can achieve results that older cameras can't- ISO improvement, focus, reduced size and weight, focus stacking, interval and video results and many other advances.

So let's not treat our members as children but as thinking adults. We should be responding to the implied question of what did you gain by updating not should I update. And GAS is ok.
Listen Up- there is NO Shame in upgrading your ca... (show quote)


I frequent another forum dedicated to musical instruments and music in general. A lot of players have GAS and end up with dozens of instruments and accessory equipment, often duplicates of the same kind. The criticism is generally weighted toward a preference for used equipment. "Why pay for a new instrument when it loses half its value when you walk out the door?" With that kind of thinking the instrument makers would go out of business and all we'd have is old used stuff.

I agree, that if you have the money and the desire then go ahead and buy all the cameras and lenses you like. If you get too many and you end up never using some of them then sell them off. There will be someone out there looking for a deal. I don't get why people get so riled up over some guy they don't even know making a purchase. I'm still using my 2013 Canon 60D so I'm definitely not in the GAS crowd but I have been getting the itch to upgrade lately. My next camera would most likely be my last so I can justify buying the latest and greatest, at least for now.

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