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Feb 11, 2022 14:44:49   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
BigOldArt wrote:
What are you going to do with the pictures you take?
As strictly an amateur, I occasionally print 4*6 on inkjet. I usually display pix on a 27 inch UHD monitor, on a 40 inch HD TV, or a 65 inch UHD TV.
I considered getting a camera with replaceable lenses. But I bought a NIKON p900 which zooms to 83X. It does not take location data from the cell phone even though it has GPS & WiFi. For BIF though, you will not be doing that indoors and will be outside long enough for the GPS to work.

I did not verify this but I was told that the p900 weighed less than the equivalent 2000mm lens.
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The focus will never keep up for BIF.

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Feb 11, 2022 14:52:37   #
BebuLamar
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
So two manufacturers make cameras with the same M4/3 mount? That’s twice as many that make cameras in any other mount.

Also the standard isn't a trade secret that a lens manufacturer has to reverse engineer like other mounts.

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Feb 11, 2022 15:36:32   #
Badgertale Loc: Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA
 
billnikon wrote:
Simple answer, no, not for shooting BIF with a good telephoto lens. I shoot the Sony a9 with the 200-600 mm Sony, so no weight advantage for using a decent telephoto for BIF.
1. You could purchase a Nikon 500 mm 5.6 PF lens, it is light and very easy to hand hold.
2. There is no Z8 in the future, no Nikon announcement, no Nikon Rumors to solidly support that.
3. The D850 paired with the Nikon 500 PF is a dynamite combination and will serve you well for BIF, and if you ever go Nikon mirrorless in the future, just get an adapter and put that 500 PF on your fictitious Z8.
Good luck and keep on shooting until the end.
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Well said. This is my outfit and it suits me just fine...and I am still buying lenses for them. fewer dust issues, too.

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Feb 11, 2022 16:12:40   #
Beenthere
 
[quote=larryepage]My personal belief is that benefits claimed in the area of weight and size have been exaggerated.

You are right, what ever the industry decision is, mirrorless cameras can come in a variety of sizes, and weights.

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Feb 11, 2022 16:50:46   #
Bridges Loc: Memphis, Charleston SC, now Nazareth PA
 
zacksoccer wrote:
Looking for advise from all the Hogs. Current equipment base is a Nikon D750 and Nikon D500. Lots of lens ranges to accompany. As I age, I find it harder and harder to shoot BIF for long periods of time with longer lenses. I have used a gimble but am not totally happy with that solution. Am now thinking of changing to a Nikon D850 or a Nikon Z series (probably a Z8). Is there a significant weight tradeoff by going mirrorless and am I trading other benefits by moving from DSLR to Mirrorless format. I know that is the future direction (Nikon just discontinued the D500) but wonder if the 850 will give me more benefits than the Z series. Am not doing any video work, just still imagery.
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One more z and you will be asleep!

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Feb 11, 2022 16:59:18   #
Beenthere
 
Bayou wrote:
The best way to go (significantly) lighter is to go bridge. The Sony RX10 MkIV is the clear winner there.
The other way is to go Micro 4/3, but that format may have a limited future. Only Olympus and Panasonic offer M4/3.


Bridge cameras: What you gain in weight, you lose in bulk, so no pockets, eh? Now M4/3 IS one way to go, either Olympus, or Lumix (Panasonic). Lumix also makes FF mirrorless which tend to be on the large side of Mirrorless, rivaling DSLR. Olympus, on the other hand, is dedicated to maintaining the small light weight original design goals, which is only one of the advantages of Mirrorless. That being said; All of their OM-D series, except the OM D-EM1X (That model was designed specifically for Pro users.., mostly) and it's Big and Bulky. All the rest are compact and accept the whole range of M4/3 lenses. Anyway, Have fun!

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Feb 11, 2022 17:46:52   #
Judy795
 
I’m small, old, with bad hands and I like the D500 and D 500 PF. If the D500:dies again I would think about mirrorless, maybe there will be a Z8 or lighter. I do wildlife so need fast everything.

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Feb 11, 2022 17:52:37   #
hpucker99 Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
So two manufacturers make cameras with the same M4/3 mount? That’s twice as many that make cameras in any other mount.


The OMD (formerly Olympus) and Panasonic use a common mount that was developed some time ago when they formed the 4/3 alliance. However, you get the best results for image stabilization with OMD lenses on OMD cameras and Panasonic lenses on Panasonic bodies. From what I have read, the two companies implement lens stabilization differently so when the lens manufacturer is different from the body manufacturer, you don't get the full range of stabilization possible with the two working in conjunction. I had a Lumix 100-300mm on my E-M1ii and had to use either lens or body stabilization, but not both. When the lens and body manufacturer are the same, the stabilization is much improved (SyncIS on OMD and Dual I.S. on Panasonic).

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Feb 11, 2022 18:20:26   #
cbtsam Loc: Monkton, MD
 
I think you've gotten a lot of really good advice, and I have no relevant experience myself. Nevertheless, I will say one word, if you consider a new camera or lens to resolve your issues - RENT. It's awfully hard to tell how X camera or Y lens will feel if you don't, well, feel 'em.

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Feb 11, 2022 19:32:59   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
hpucker99 wrote:
The OMD (formerly Olympus) and Panasonic use a common mount that was developed some time ago when they formed the 4/3 alliance. However, you get the best results for image stabilization with OMD lenses on OMD cameras and Panasonic lenses on Panasonic bodies. From what I have read, the two companies implement lens stabilization differently so when the lens manufacturer is different from the body manufacturer, you don't get the full range of stabilization possible with the two working in conjunction. I had a Lumix 100-300mm on my E-M1ii and had to use either lens or body stabilization, but not both. When the lens and body manufacturer are the same, the stabilization is much improved (SyncIS on OMD and Dual I.S. on Panasonic).
The OMD (formerly Olympus) and Panasonic use a com... (show quote)


Now that I agree with. I was responding to an assertion that M4/3 might not last because only two manufacturers make them. Even though more manufactures make full frame and APS-C cameras, none share a common mount.
As for lens/camera combos it depends. I started with Panasonic and bought many lenses from both and most of the time they work just as well on either. I did get the Panny Leica 100-400mm. Eventually I moved to Olympus for faster focus and better tracking. When I did I sold that lens and bought they Oly 100-400mm.

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Feb 11, 2022 23:13:24   #
JBRIII
 
larryepage wrote:
There is no question that the manufacturers have decided that future equipment will be built to the mirrorless design. There is also no question that there are some benefits provided by that design. My personal belief is that benefits claimed in the area of weight and size have been exaggerated.

Your two DSLRs have different user interfaces. I don't know if that is a big deal for you or not. The Z6 and Z7 have interfaces like your D750. The Z9 interface is like your D500, as is that of the D850. Shooting the D850 is exactly like shooting the D500, but the camera is a little heavier and slightly larger.

I have just started exploring IR photography using a converted D90 that I just purchased. If this develops into a serious pursuit for me, I'll be looking toward a Z8 conversion, provided that it is ever actually introduced and that it has the professional interface of the D500 and D850. The mirrorless design offers very concrete operational benefits in achieving focus while still using the viewfinder when doing IR photography.

No one can or should tell you what camera to buy to meet your specific needs. You will need to investigate for yourself whether any particular camera will address your shooting challenges.
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Food for thought?
I don't know anything about Nikons, but before buying any camera for IR conversion, be sure to read carefully about about conversions for that specific camera. For example, I believe one of the new Canon mirrorless (R) has an IR source in the camera which can cause problems under low light conditions. Might be fine for bright outdoors, but not for astro or other low light situations.

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Feb 12, 2022 00:02:39   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
JBRIII wrote:
Food for thought?
I don't know anything about Nikons, but before buying any camera for IR conversion, be sure to read carefully about about conversions for that specific camera. For example, I believe one of the new Canon mirrorless (R) has an IR source in the camera which can cause problems under low light conditions. Might be fine for bright outdoors, but not for astro or other low light situations.


Thanks for the caution. I'm down the road a little bit on that in any case. The D90 works fairly well by focusing in Live View with the display expanded. But outdoors, especially in the summer, it would be far superior to be able to do the same thing through the viewfinder.

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Feb 12, 2022 00:52:16   #
Ched49 Loc: Pittsburgh, Pa.
 
There won't be any difference in picture quality between the two systems, if money isn't much of an object and you want smaller lighter equipment, go with the Z cameras, it's that simple.

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Feb 12, 2022 07:29:40   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
zacksoccer wrote:
Looking for advise from all the Hogs. Current equipment base is a Nikon D750 and Nikon D500. Lots of lens ranges to accompany. As I age, I find it harder and harder to shoot BIF for long periods of time with longer lenses. I have used a gimble but am not totally happy with that solution. Am now thinking of changing to a Nikon D850 or a Nikon Z series (probably a Z8). Is there a significant weight tradeoff by going mirrorless and am I trading other benefits by moving from DSLR to Mirrorless format. I know that is the future direction (Nikon just discontinued the D500) but wonder if the 850 will give me more benefits than the Z series. Am not doing any video work, just still imagery.
Looking for advise from all the Hogs. Current equi... (show quote)


The D500 is your best option for BIF still.
No Z8.
D850 is much slower than the action oriented D500 and the Z7II and below cameras are not so good at AF action capture as all their contemporaries. You would have to go to Z9 to get the level of action AF needed for a high capture rate.
And it is even more heavy.
Perhaps Nikon will introduce a D500 equal in mirrorless now that with the Z9 they have the action AF figured out. so hold just a bit more.

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Feb 12, 2022 07:41:45   #
Tomfl101 Loc: Mount Airy, MD
 
Bultaco wrote:
You have a long 2.8 lens?


No. Just a 70-200.

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