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Feb 11, 2022 18:48:29   #
Horseart Loc: Alabama
 
It costs nothing to be kind. We all appreciate a favor now and then. I would never expect a freebie from a professional, but if you must say no, at least do it kindly. (as politely as you would want them to say no to you)

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Feb 11, 2022 18:51:41   #
Horseart Loc: Alabama
 
cyclespeed wrote:
Once I was riding up a very long severe mountain divide. Someone assured me I couldn't possibly do it ( I was 65 years old at the time ). So I wanted a photo proof of the event. I looked around at the assembled group of tourists, approached a middle aged guy and asked him to do the deed. He said sure, suggested I move my bike and myself a short distance, I obliged. The camera had a very small rear screen so all I could see was the sign displaying the location and height of the climb, my bike and myself. All good. As I went to mount up and glide on down his son approached me and said I was lucky. It turns out the guy was a National Geographics Photographer on holiday with his family. Yes the adjustments he made in manual mode, the composition suggestions made it an absolute stellar image that I have shared widely and have a 20 x 24 print mounted on my wall. I ended was most fortunate!
Once I was riding up a very long severe mountain d... (show quote)


You met up with a kind professional. Too bad there aren't more of them.

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Feb 11, 2022 20:14:03   #
TimHGuitar Loc: San Francisco, CA
 
I am a retired photographer and I never have a camera around my neck anymore. So when folks ask me to take their iPhone to take their picture I have to ask them how to use the camera... where to press and so forth. Then I ask them to move to another area where the lighting is better and I angle the background so that it is not a flat area. I prefer a background that has depth and obviously no wires or poles going into someone's head. Then I tell them I will count to three to press the shutter. I suggest that they rest their eyes briefly so that they don't blink. At the count of three they are ready and then I press the shutter. Simple.

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Feb 11, 2022 22:08:41   #
pdsilen Loc: Roswell, New Mexico
 
AGO wrote:
When I travel, I am sometimes asked to take someone's picture with their phone. The problem is that because I never use my own phone to take pictures, I don't even know how to use the camera on phones. i'm happy to oblige these people but I'm pretty inept at it.


Tell the people who is asking you to take thier photo, "I'd be happy to help you but I don't know how to take photos with a cell phone. Will you please show me how?"

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Feb 11, 2022 22:33:51   #
AzPicLady Loc: Behind the camera!
 
pdsilen wrote:
Tell the people who is asking you to take thier photo, "I'd be happy to help you but I don't know how to take photos with a cell phone. Will you please show me how?"


I have truthfully used that line!

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Feb 11, 2022 23:42:24   #
TimHGuitar Loc: San Francisco, CA
 
pdsilen wrote:
Tell the people who is asking you to take thier photo, "I'd be happy to help you but I don't know how to take photos with a cell phone. Will you please show me how?"


That's basically what I do. Then I do my best given the circumstances.

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Feb 12, 2022 01:12:24   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
I have been a professional photograher all my working life and I know and associate with many other professional photographers. I have seldom if ever heard of this issue of folks expecting freebies, people accosting any of us to 'make professional-quality photographs with a cellphone. I'm sure some of this happens but it is certainly not a serious problem on a grand scale.

I'm sure that I and most of my cohorts would gladly accommodate a truest or a visitor to our cities, towns and countries and literally "snap" a picture without taking the time time to identify themes as a professional and making a big fuss. I have worked in many public places, events, locations in public parks and space, loaded down with gear, and nobody ever really bothers me. A festive evens some may yell " TAKE MY PICTURE and strike a silly pose. So, I take their picture, everyone laughs and that is the end of it.

I am sure every professional in any discipline, skilled trades-person, craftsman, retailer, or business person will be approached by friends, relatives or neighbours who expect preferential treatment. It's part of life. So, you handle it as diplomatically and benevolently as you can and either acquiesce or refuse and move on with your life!

So many folks, on this forum, are continuously starting threads that would indicate that everyone is out there to rip off, fool, haggle with and basically hornswoggle every photograher- amateur and professional. I don't think so!

If you are a professional, it behooves you to set your fees, have all the protectional contract forms, and set out the standards for how you run your business and serve your clients. You have the perfect right to refuse to do work without proper remuneration. Shooting a snapshot for a person on the street is not real work. Anyon one with common sense is not gonna expect a fine portrait.

There is also the attitude in this thread that many professional photograher are egoists, and they feel they are too important to simply be nice. Pro photograhers are human beings- many are nice and some are not. I suppose you can say the same thg about a profession or trade- plumbers, brain surgeons, funeral directors, dog catchers!

Cellphones, folks wanting, freebies, or wanting to take "selfies"' but can't do it themselves will not destroy or cause the ruination of the professional photography industry.

If you are an amateur who sells your work or a part-time pro, you also have to set your standards and draw lines as you prefer.

Not everyone is familiar with what goes into professional photography. Forget about people on the street, I have had purchasing agents and art directors from major corporations, government procurers, and folks that are supposed to be in the know, bicker or haggle with my rates saying " all you need to do is snap a few pictures", simply not understanding that a food layout, architectural interior, or a product shot of highly polished items can take hours of preparation, lighting strategies and expert knowledge. I have two options- walk away or educate them. Clients are also human beings so some will respond to the education and others won't.

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Feb 12, 2022 02:51:05   #
Grahame Loc: Fiji
 
Possibly slightly of track but a funny experience I had a couple of months ago.

Down on the foreshore and all set up on tripod, 400mm plus 1.4TC just before sunset and shooting a boat that had grounded on its side far out on the reef I was aware of a couple of girls stood behind me taking selfies with their phones. Not in my way at all and of no concern.

I remained shooting away at odd boats and harbor scenery for half an hour, they remained watching and when the light was too dim I walked the few yards back to my wagon. Having placed the tripod on the ground and opening a door the two girls came up to me and the conversation went as follows after greeting pleasantries;

Is that a camera?
Yes.
Have you been taking photographs?
Yes.
Can you take our picture with it please?
Very sorry but it's too dark and I don't have the right gear with me.

They then wandered off. I wonder if they were thinking that guy should get one of these phones.

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Feb 12, 2022 07:37:10   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
AGO wrote:
When I travel, I am sometimes asked to take someone's picture with their phone. The problem is that because I never use my own phone to take pictures, I don't even know how to use the camera on phones. i'm happy to oblige these people but I'm pretty inept at it.


Same here.
But I just happily ask them to set the phone up and show me where to press.
Always willing to do this with a smile.

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Feb 12, 2022 08:28:43   #
BebuLamar
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Same here.
But I just happily ask them to set the phone up and show me where to press.
Always willing to do this with a smile.


And hoping I don't touch the wrong place on the screen causing it to put the camera app in the background and I wouldn't know how to bring it back.

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Feb 12, 2022 08:47:54   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
BebuLamar wrote:
And hoping I don't touch the wrong place on the screen causing it to put the camera app in the background and I wouldn't know how to bring it back.



Or do a selfie?

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Feb 12, 2022 12:01:54   #
Donald McGavin Loc: Tennessee
 
I always love the story about the physician who sidled up to a lawyer at a weekend party and described the situation you mentioned in your posting. The lawyer replied, "I always send them a bill on Monday." You can guess what happened. On Monday the physician opened his mail and there was a bill from the lawyer.

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Feb 12, 2022 13:45:12   #
Horseart Loc: Alabama
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
I have been a professional photograher all my working life and I know and associate with many other professional photographers. I have seldom if ever heard of this issue of folks expecting freebies, people accosting any of us to 'make professional-quality photographs with a cellphone. I'm sure some of this happens but it is certainly not a serious problem on a grand scale.

I'm sure that I and most of my cohorts would gladly accommodate a truest or a visitor to our cities, towns and countries and literally "snap" a picture without taking the time time to identify themes as a professional and making a big fuss. I have worked in many public places, events, locations in public parks and space, loaded down with gear, and nobody ever really bothers me. A festive evens some may yell " TAKE MY PICTURE and strike a silly pose. So, I take their picture, everyone laughs and that is the end of it.

I am sure every professional in any discipline, skilled trades-person, craftsman, retailer, or business person will be approached by friends, relatives or neighbours who expect preferential treatment. It's part of life. So, you handle it as diplomatically and benevolently as you can and either acquiesce or refuse and move on with your life!

So many folks, on this forum, are continuously starting threads that would indicate that everyone is out there to rip off, fool, haggle with and basically hornswoggle every photograher- amateur and professional. I don't think so!

If you are a professional, it behooves you to set your fees, have all the protectional contract forms, and set out the standards for how you run your business and serve your clients. You have the perfect right to refuse to do work without proper remuneration. Shooting a snapshot for a person on the street is not real work. Anyon one with common sense is not gonna expect a fine portrait.

There is also the attitude in this thread that many professional photograher are egoists, and they feel they are too important to simply be nice. Pro photograhers are human beings- many are nice and some are not. I suppose you can say the same thg about a profession or trade- plumbers, brain surgeons, funeral directors, dog catchers!

Cellphones, folks wanting, freebies, or wanting to take "selfies"' but can't do it themselves will not destroy or cause the ruination of the professional photography industry.

If you are an amateur who sells your work or a part-time pro, you also have to set your standards and draw lines as you prefer.

Not everyone is familiar with what goes into professional photography. Forget about people on the street, I have had purchasing agents and art directors from major corporations, government procurers, and folks that are supposed to be in the know, bicker or haggle with my rates saying " all you need to do is snap a few pictures", simply not understanding that a food layout, architectural interior, or a product shot of highly polished items can take hours of preparation, lighting strategies and expert knowledge. I have two options- walk away or educate them. Clients are also human beings so some will respond to the education and others won't.
I have been a professional photograher all my wor... (show quote)


My hat is off to you. Your kindness makes you a true "common sense" professional. A vacation snapshot with someone's phone, (so both or all parties can be in the picture) doesn't hurt anyone, or anyone's business...and it might get a professional a new customer. Thank you for sharing kindness.

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Feb 13, 2022 06:13:11   #
docphoto Loc: Illinois
 
Happens to me too. I’m an ER physician/ Professional Photographer. They will ask “can you take a look at this” . I say “ sure” come by the ER, I’ll look at it and I’ll take a picture of it BUT I’ll charge you for the picture and the visit” 😂😂😂😂Just kidding but I agree with “Scrubdoc”

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Feb 13, 2022 08:38:24   #
National Park
 
If I see a couple taking photos of each other or a family member taking photos of his family, whether with a cell phone or camera, I will sometimes ask if they would like me to take a photo of all of them with their phone or camera. I consider it a matter of being helpful and friendly, something all too missing in this world. It only takes a couple minutes. It makes them happy, and it makes me happy. They aren't looking for, nor are they getting, a "professional shot," although they won't get a photo of a tree growing out of their head. They will get a nice snapshot. It gives them a nice memory not only of where they were and what they were doing, but also of a "nice man who took the photo." No one has ever declined my offer; one look at me and they know a person of my age is not going to run off with their camera.

On the flip side, I have been out hiking with my wife, taking photos of each other, and strangers have asked if I would like them to use my camera to take a photo of the two of us. I am always most appreciative of such an offer. As a result, I have a beautiful photo hanging on my wall of me and my wife on a hike in the Canadian Rockies that was taken by an anonymous nice man who was carrying a backpack full of expensive camera gear.

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