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Feb 11, 2022 11:01:47   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
When a creative person like Steve Jobs says creating things is just connecting things, it seems so obvious. Just connect your credit card number with the payment method for your new camera.

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Feb 11, 2022 11:04:46   #
azted Loc: Las Vegas, NV.
 
Staying abreast of new technology takes guts. Many people get to a point in life where they "give up" on learning. That is a shame and just a admittance of their frail humanity. Others keep trudging on, trying to keep up until their demise. Which is right is only up to the individual, not for others to decide. So far, as far as I am concerned, I'm going to keep on keeping on!

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Feb 11, 2022 11:05:13   #
suntouched Loc: Sierra Vista AZ
 
SalvageDiver wrote:
It's simple; if you want it just go get it. No permission required. After all, for most of us here, this is just a hobby and none of it is required other than for our own enjoyment.

If you ask the forum about their experience with a particular piece of gear then you'll likely get some good information to help with your decision.

However, if you ask the forum "if I should", then be prepared for the forums individualized opinions regarding why you 'should' or 'shouldn't'. And you must also remember that the forum doesn't know your want's, desires, needs or constraints. You'll only get opinions based on their perspective, not yours. For me, the only person qualified to help answer this question is my wife.

It's all about how you ask the question!
It's simple; if you want it just go get it. b No... (show quote)

Yes!

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Feb 11, 2022 11:08:02   #
suntouched Loc: Sierra Vista AZ
 
azted wrote:
Staying abreast of new technology takes guts. Many people get to a point in life where they "give up" on learning. That is a shame and just a admittance of their frail humanity. Others keep trudging on, trying to keep up until their demise. Which is right is only up to the individual, not for others to decide. So far, as far as I am concerned, I'm going to keep on keeping on!


It's easier to stay with what you know than moving on.
Me too.

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Feb 11, 2022 11:10:26   #
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suntouched wrote:
Listen Up- there is NO Shame in upgrading your camera equipment even if only for GAS! If you want it and you can afford it then go for it. You don't need anyone's permission here to do that. You don't need anyone here setting limits on what you buy or how often you buy or if you should buy. If you have a closet full of unused equipment that is your business.

Will it make you a better photographer? Maybe or maybe not. But it will be fun to find out. New equipment will often push you forward to becoming better by the technical advances. It may help you see improvement which may be the catalyst for more improvement.

Why is it there is honor in using outdated equipment? It is often said here that my (really old) equipment works just fine. Well that's fine for you but don't use it as a measure of why someone else should not buy new.

It use to be fun here seeing members say "The Brown Truck is coming and then it fell out of favor followed by other members denigrating the purchase of new equipment. (yes- I have been on this forum for a long time) Why- why taint new equipment purchase with underlying negative judgement? There are real advances in new cameras now that can achieve results that older cameras can't- ISO improvement, focus, reduced size and weight, focus stacking, interval and video results and many other advances.

So let's not treat our members as children but as thinking adults. We should be responding to the implied question of what did you gain by updating not should I update. And GAS is ok.
Listen Up- there is NO Shame in upgrading your ca... (show quote)

Gaswise I do whatever happens at the intersection of my wants and my budget. Note the absence of needs. Needs are quite well covered by wants.

As to the naysayers and their questioning everyone’s actual needs, I see that as the faux wisdom of the uhh parrot flock. They think they look wise and caring, parroting each other.

On the job, as a photographer in the film era, I WANTED a so-called digital imaging workstation. After all the doubting and resistance was overcome I not only had my workstation but an entire digital publications facility was born, employing several artists and printer operators.

I didn’t actually NEED a digital imaging workstation during the film era. But I reeeeeeally WANTED one !!!

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Feb 11, 2022 11:10:32   #
suntouched Loc: Sierra Vista AZ
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Champions keep buying equipment until they get it right.


Not all equipment is created equal!

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Feb 11, 2022 11:42:58   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
suntouched wrote:
Listen Up- there is NO Shame in upgrading your camera equipment even if only for GAS! If you want it and you can afford it then go for it. You don't need anyone's permission here to do that. You don't need anyone here setting limits on what you buy or how often you buy or if you should buy. If you have a closet full of unused equipment that is your business.

Will it make you a better photographer? Maybe or maybe not. But it will be fun to find out. New equipment will often push you forward to becoming better by the technical advances. It may help you see improvement which may be the catalyst for more improvement.

Why is it there is honor in using outdated equipment? It is often said here that my (really old) equipment works just fine. Well that's fine for you but don't use it as a measure of why someone else should not buy new.

It use to be fun here seeing members say "The Brown Truck is coming and then it fell out of favor followed by other members denigrating the purchase of new equipment. (yes- I have been on this forum for a long time) Why- why taint new equipment purchase with underlying negative judgement? There are real advances in new cameras now that can achieve results that older cameras can't- ISO improvement, focus, reduced size and weight, focus stacking, interval and video results and many other advances.

So let's not treat our members as children but as thinking adults. We should be responding to the implied question of what did you gain by updating not should I update. And GAS is ok.
Listen Up- there is NO Shame in upgrading your ca... (show quote)


Yes, yes, yes. G.A.S. is okay, because it's the prerogative of the person buying to have it.

That said, I think most people want to see purpose in their purchases, even if the purpose is to do a "feel good something" that is exciting.

A number of people on this forum are quite "well heeled," as my grandfather used to say. They can afford the finest shoes... and cameras. Others are on fixed incomes, and want their purchases to "matter." So where you come down on the side of "having G.A.S." might just be influenced by your income and assets.

I've had G.A.S. many times in my life. My take on it was influenced strongly by my parents. Mom grew up poor, Dad was well-to-do. She wanted it all, while he was analytical, and wanted to do it right. I got a mix of traits.

My parents wanted me to become a lawyer like my sister wanted to be, or a doctor like my uncle, or a pharmacist like two other uncles, or a company owner like my grandfather. I was showered with biographies of famous inventors, doctors, and creators. The creator-innovator-inventor types won out. But there was a problem. One of those pharmacist brothers of my Mom had given me a camera when I was five, and Dad gave me a toy darkroom set at ten (I still have much of it!).

At 12, I started to get serious about photography, reading books and magazines about it. It became an obsession. As my interest in photography grew, I got G.A.S. every time I went to the camera store. But my folks put a limit on my allowance, and there was a big gap between what I wanted and could afford. I had to get creative! I solved that by selling photos to friends, their parents, and the yearbook/newspaper advisor at my school. I made enough to buy a camera, lenses, flashes, filters, film, darkroom gear, books... And I made careful decisions about all of it. It was my money, and I could spend 80% on whatever I wanted. I only had to save 20% for college, by family rule.

That careful decision making has stood me well. I still have things from the 1970s that I use. I buy things that last, and that I know I will use. Like Mom, I had G.A.S. all the dang time. But like my Dad, I channeled the energy and intrigue of that G.A.S. into analyzing whether I really needed what I was looking at, asking whether there might be something better I could afford, strategically planning to buy what would create a SYSTEM that I would use most of, most of the time. The whole is greater than the sum of its parts, and the system is only as good as its weakest component, so...

I would read reviews, ask the guy who ran the local camera store about it, and know that what I bought was going to do what I wanted it to do. I have used those techniques for all the major purchases I've made at home and work. I've been disappointed, but not often. My bosses at the photo lab were quite happy with my capital recommendations, always after initial skepticism. But the stuff just worked.

I have had photographic (and AV) G.A.S. for a long time, now. But I've been waiting patiently for some announcements to come this month. I know it's okay to have G.A.S., but not okay to squander money I could spend on vacations, family events, or my future needs. When I buy my next camera, it will be something that lasts another seven years or so, like my current one has.

I had computer G.A.S. for four years before I bought my M1 MacBook Air. I even waited nine months after it was available for dozens of reviewers to test it, and the operating system and applications to mature, before I knew for certain exactly how to equip it. It's been the best computer purchase I ever made. I already have G.A.S. for a better model, but won't go there for years.

Chances are, it will be a while before any camera announced this month actually makes it through the clogged supply chain and into the stores. And it might be a while before the firmware is baked well enough into the new body (i.e.; gets updated) for the purchase to be advantageous. So even though I'm ready, and I can, I won't buy — until what I need and want is available and working.

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Feb 11, 2022 11:49:55   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
suntouched wrote:
My point was that if you want new, buy new and if you want old then keep that. Not up to us to decide whether they "should" or "need" to buy new. The most helpful information given is through other's personal use of whatever equipment the poster is inquiring about. There will always be people on the forum that will not be able to make any decision no matter how much information they receive.


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Feb 11, 2022 11:52:40   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Don't let the photographer you were yesterday stop you from buying a new camera tomorrow.

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Feb 11, 2022 12:09:44   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
suntouched wrote:
Very few of us will produce masterpieces with or without new equipment but that isn't a reason not to upgrade if one can afford it and wants to. The only unacceptable answer on your list in my opinion is if buying new affects the family negatively. I think forum members want to hear about other's experiences about the equipment they are thinking of buying so that they can draw their own conclusions - if I ask that's what I want to know. Not the age old question of "what will this new equipment do that your (10 year old ) equipment doesn't do"
Very few of us will produce masterpieces with or w... (show quote)


This is a great point. I think a lot of people phrase their questions in such a way that they get warped, or irrelevant, or sarcastic answers.

Like a consultative sales person, if I ask, "Tell me about your experiences with ______. What did it do for you? Would you have bought something else, in retrospect? Why does, or doesn't it, meet your needs or expectations? Do you feel good about it? Have you had any negative issues with it?", then I will get more useful answers.

That said, people in general are "innocently ignorant" about things they know nothing about. They may not ask the "right" questions, because they don't know "where the on ramp is" to the topic. I've been there, done that, myself, many times, and been misled.

Sometimes I read questions on UHH that are obvious examples of that innocent ignorance. Directly answering the question would obviously take the asker down the wrong path! Sometimes I redirect, and I'm thanked. Other times I redirect, and the OP gets upset with me (or someone else in the forum gets upset with me) for not answering the original question directly.

Frankly, those of us who hang out here a lot do it for fun. We are not paid. The advice is free. It may or may not be useful. Some of us *try* to help. Caveat Emptor!

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Feb 11, 2022 12:14:02   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
SalvageDiver wrote:
It's simple; if you want it just go get it. No permission required. After all, for most of us here, this is just a hobby and none of it is required other than for our own enjoyment.

If you ask the forum about their experience with a particular piece of gear then you'll likely get some good information to help with your decision.

However, if you ask the forum "if I should", then be prepared for the forums individualized opinions regarding why you 'should' or 'shouldn't'. And you must also remember that the forum doesn't know your want's, desires, needs or constraints. You'll only get opinions based on their perspective, not yours. For me, the only person qualified to help answer this question is my wife.

It's all about how you ask the question!
It's simple; if you want it just go get it. b No... (show quote)


Ten up!

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Feb 11, 2022 12:19:54   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
larryepage wrote:
You are absolutely correct. I had (and still have) a perfectly good low-count D810 when I bought my D850 without consulting anyone here. I also have and occasionally use a couple of D300 bodies as well.

Of course, the converse is also true. I have never found a bag or bottle of magic pixie dust packed with any camera I have ever bought. Some of them brought new capabilities that allowed me to do things not possible before, but not before I invested the time and energy to learn how to make them do it.

My latest acquisition is a relatively ancient D90. It has been converted to IR, and I'm having quite a bit of fun learning how to do competent IR photography. There are quite a few new things to learn, especially around achieving proper focus. I already know that if this becomes a serious pursuit for me, I'll be very interested in buying the fantasized Z8, or whatever pseudo affordable pro-interface model Nikon might eventually comes up with. It'll be immediately converted to IR when it arrives.
You are absolutely correct. I had (and still have)... (show quote)


It has been said that few people know what car they want until they learn to drive. Few cooks know what kinds of knives, pots, and pans they like until they learn to cook. Few fishers know what rod, lures, or bait to use until they've done some fishing...

Converting a mirrorless camera to IR may yield better results than converting a dSLR. Mirrorless cameras generally focus using the sensor itself, not a separate system.

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Feb 11, 2022 12:22:04   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
An ounce of practice is worth more than 30 megapixels.

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Feb 11, 2022 12:30:36   #
suntouched Loc: Sierra Vista AZ
 
burkphoto wrote:
This is a great point. I think a lot of people phrase their questions in such a way that they get warped, or irrelevant, or sarcastic answers.

Like a consultative sales person, if I ask, "Tell me about your experiences with ______. What did it do for you? Would you have bought something else, in retrospect? Why does, or doesn't it, meet your needs or expectations? Do you feel good about it? Have you had any negative issues with it?", then I will get more useful answers.

That said, people in general are "innocently ignorant" about things they know nothing about. They may not ask the "right" questions, because they don't know "where the on ramp is" to the topic. I've been there, done that, myself, many times, and been misled.

Sometimes I read questions that are obvious examples of that innocent ignorance. Directly answering the question would obviously take the asker down the wrong path! Sometimes I redirect, and I'm thanked. Other times I redirect, and the OP gets upset with me (or someone else in the forum gets upset with me) for not answering the original question directly.

Frankly, those of us who hang out here a lot do it for fun. We are not paid. The advice is free. It may or may not be useful. Some of us *try* to help. Caveat Emptor!
This is a great point. I think a lot of people phr... (show quote)


It's the sarcasm that makes me crazy and adds nothing. Better just to move on. I appreciate all those willing on the forum to share their insight and knowledge and you all know who you are- you are one Burk. I have gotten very valuable information but I have learned to ask selective questions.

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Feb 11, 2022 12:37:53   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
suntouched wrote:
My point was that if you want new, buy new and if you want old then keep that. Not up to us to decide whether they "should" or "need" to buy new. The most helpful information given is through other's personal use of whatever equipment the poster is inquiring about. There will always be people on the forum that will not be able to make any decision no matter how much information they receive.


Or you can buy old... Film photographers do that, anyway.

Some of the best information about new gear is found on camera review sites, where experienced folks put new cameras and lenses through a series of standard tests and field evaluations and allow comparisons of results from one device to another. DPReview is my favorite site for that. I've followed their reviews since Phil Askey started the site back in 1998.

YouTube is full of camera reviewers. Some are extremely knowledgeable and others are a waste of time. It is usually obvious who is doing a great job. They have millions of subscribers and their reviews get lots of views (hits in Internet speak) in a short period of time.

A YouTube search for 'Nikon Z9 Review' yields tons of video reviews, many of which have 100,000 or more views.

I prefer review sites that buy their own equipment, or who at least tell you that the gear was ON LOAN to them from the manufacturer, and that they received no compensation for the review. (Yes, they can lie, but why would they? If found out, their channel would be dead.)

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