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Feb 11, 2022 07:50:53   #
DougS Loc: Central Arkansas
 
Unfortunately ER's are slow for the less/non life threatening injuries, and illnesses. Our Dr. told us to call his office 1st, before going to an ER, 24/7.
I would think a traumatic head injury should be "up there", also. We tend to minimize our injuries, unless there is blood running.
My most curious ER visit was for an allergic reaction to aspirin! Three "middle of the nights" in a row. Didn't even get the waiting room seat warm. On the 3rd occasion, I commented to the nurse about the short wait. Her reply was "We treat anaphylactic allergic reactions the same as a heart attack"! In 5 minutes time, your throat can swell shut, and you are toast! Got my attention! She also said " If the ER does not get you right on back, the admissions person needs to find another job". An interesting side affect was that my asthma completely disappeared when I stopped taking aspirin.

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Feb 11, 2022 08:10:14   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
I started using handrails with the steps. I also watch where my feet go as I walk up and down.
Rich2236 wrote:
Being my age, 85, I live in a split level condo... There are 7 steps to the front door landing and 7 steps to the basement garage entrance. I COUNT EVERY STEP EVERY TIME I GO UP OR DOWN. At our age, things happen...So, take every precaution you can!

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Feb 11, 2022 08:47:24   #
wireloose
 
Nice to see the comments on the VA- also a preview of free health care :)

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Feb 11, 2022 08:52:18   #
Rich2236 Loc: E. Hampstead, New Hampshire
 
anotherview wrote:
I started using handrails with the steps. I also watch where my feet go as I walk up and down.



Absolutely! Same here...!

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Feb 11, 2022 08:53:46   #
sb Loc: Florida's East Coast
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Bob Saget bumped his head and thought nothing of it. He went to bed and never woke up. Comedian Steve Allen was in a minor traffic accident and bumped his head. He died shortly afterwards. These are not isolated examples.

If you bump your head, go to the ER. Maybe you'll be okay if you don't, but maybe you'll be dead.


For sure = especially if you are dazed, confused, or lose consciousness. And added to your list is Ronald Reagan - after leaving the White House he was home in California and suddenly became confused - when he was taken to the ER he was diagnosed with a subdural hematoma and he recalled falling from his horse two weeks prior. A hole was drilled in his skull and the blood was evacuated and he recovered fully. Subdurals can be slow or fast. In rural Maine we had a middle-aged man who was brought to the ER after a blow to the head and he was rapidly decompensating. A STAT CT scan showed a subdural with evidence of impending massive brain damage. No helicopter was available and the "big city" hospital was 2 hours of bad road away. Our general surgeon gathered the surgical team and quickly did the craniotomy and saved the man's life. "I watched a few during my training" he advised us.

The general rule of thumb before CT scanners were on every street corner was that if you did not get hit hard enough to knock you out, you were unlikely to have or develop a subdural hematoma. If you lost consciousness for a brief period but had a normal neurologic exam, you needed to be checked every 2 hours for any neurologic changes - if there was not a competent (and sober) person at home to do this, the patient was admitted for observation.

Patients who are alcoholic or who are taking "blood-thinners" are more susceptible to subdural hematomas.

The problem, for people like Bob Saget and Steve Allen, is that they may have bumped their head and even lost consciousness momentarily. The blow gave them a concussion, which causes drowsiness. They go to bed, and there is no one to wake them every two hours to check on them, and the progression of the bleed kills them. BTW: it is perfectly fine to let the victim sleep - you just have to wake them every two hours and do neuro checks (can you speak clearly? Show me you can move your arms and legs - squeeze my hands).

These days, if you go to the ER with any kind of blow to the head you are 99.99% likely to get a CT scan. Years ago when my youngest was about 8 she had a minor blow to the head and was out for 20 seconds. She recovered and was completely back to normal. She had been taken to the ER where I joined her and my wife. The ER doc said: "Maybe we should get a CT scan". I responded that "Maybe we should wait - we will check her every two hours and bring her back if any changes". A CT scan exposes the patient to a lot of radiation. The ER doc quickly said: "Sure - that is fine - I imagine that we will find out that CT scans are the asbestos of our generation". He was perfectly happy that we weren't doing the CT (although I have no doubt that he documented that a "CT was offered but parents declined").

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Feb 11, 2022 09:14:40   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
sb wrote:
For sure = especially if you are dazed, confused, or lose consciousness. And added to your list is Ronald Reagan - after leaving the White House he was home in California and suddenly became confused - when he was taken to the ER he was diagnosed with a subdural hematoma and he recalled falling from his horse two weeks prior. A hole was drilled in his skull and the blood was evacuated and he recovered fully. Subdurals can be slow or fast. In rural Maine we had a middle-aged man who was brought to the ER after a blow to the head and he was rapidly decompensating. A STAT CT scan showed a subdural with evidence of impending massive brain damage. No helicopter was available and the "big city" hospital was 2 hours of bad road away. Our general surgeon gathered the surgical team and quickly did the craniotomy and saved the man's life. "I watched a few during my training" he advised us.

The general rule of thumb before CT scanners were on every street corner was that if you did not get hit hard enough to knock you out, you were unlikely to have or develop a subdural hematoma. If you lost consciousness for a brief period but had a normal neurologic exam, you needed to be checked every 2 hours for any neurologic changes - if there was not a competent (and sober) person at home to do this, the patient was admitted for observation.

Patients who are alcoholic or who are taking "blood-thinners" are more susceptible to subdural hematomas.

The problem, for people like Bob Saget and Steve Allen, is that they may have bumped their head and even lost consciousness momentarily. The blow gave them a concussion, which causes drowsiness. They go to bed, and there is no one to wake them every two hours to check on them, and the progression of the bleed kills them. BTW: it is perfectly fine to let the victim sleep - you just have to wake them every two hours and do neuro checks (can you speak clearly? Show me you can move your arms and legs - squeeze my hands).

These days, if you go to the ER with any kind of blow to the head you are 99.99% likely to get a CT scan. Years ago when my youngest was about 8 she had a minor blow to the head and was out for 20 seconds. She recovered and was completely back to normal. She had been taken to the ER where I joined her and my wife. The ER doc said: "Maybe we should get a CT scan". I responded that "Maybe we should wait - we will check her every two hours and bring her back if any changes". A CT scan exposes the patient to a lot of radiation. The ER doc quickly said: "Sure - that is fine - I imagine that we will find out that CT scans are the asbestos of our generation". He was perfectly happy that we weren't doing the CT (although I have no doubt that he documented that a "CT was offered but parents declined").
For sure = especially if you are dazed, confused, ... (show quote)


CT scans do expose you to a heavy radiation dosage. If you really need one, great, but I’m always aware of it when one is suggested. My ENT doctor who treats me for sinusitis has a mini CT scanner in his office to visualize sinuses, and he likes to use it at every opportunity/visit, and although he is a very good physician, I try to get care from my primary care physician instead if possible for that very reason.

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Feb 11, 2022 09:45:30   #
starlifter Loc: Towson, MD
 
I was assaulted several years ago. i received a wack on the side of the head resulting in a messed up an bloodied ear. In my jurisdiction if an ambulance picks you up with any type of head injury you are automatically taken to our shock trama ER in downtown Baltimore. Everything turned out OK and I'll be as normal as I'll ever be.

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Feb 11, 2022 10:44:10   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Bob Saget bumped his head and thought nothing of it. He went to bed and never woke up. Comedian Steve Allen was in a minor traffic accident and bumped his head. He died shortly afterwards. These are not isolated examples.

If you bump your head, go to the ER. Maybe you'll be okay if you don't, but maybe you'll be dead.


A friend of a friend fell a short distance off a step ladder and hurt himself. The next day he couldn't get out of bed so he called 911. (he's a retired doctor) So the paramedics took him to the hospital where he used to have privilege's. He got worse, developed Covid, was intubated, and died 30 days later - cause of death, Covid. He admitted himself to the same hospital where he practiced for 35 years and they killed him. Ugh! All he had were bruises from the fall off the step ladder.

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Feb 11, 2022 10:51:42   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
A friend of a friend fell a short distance off a step ladder and hurt himself. The next day he couldn't get out of bed so he called 911. (he's a retired doctor) So the paramedics took him to the hospital where he used to have privilege's. He got worse, developed Covid, was intubated, and died 30 days later - cause of death, Covid. He admitted himself to the same hospital where he practiced for 35 years and they killed him. Ugh! All he had were bruises from the fall off the step ladder.


MAYBE all he had were bruises - since he’s an MD, one would assume he knew when to go to the hospital and the risks during Covid. The hospital didn’t kill him - it sounds as if complications from Covid did, but we don’t have all the first hand medical information, so his cause of death is just a guess.

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Feb 11, 2022 11:11:07   #
Alan1729 Loc: England UK, now New York State.
 
one_eyed_pete wrote:
I think you're better off going to one of the seemingly hundreds of new Medi-Quick facilities, perhaps even if you have to wait until the next morning.

Four weeks ago the wife and I had a god awful horrific 14 hour experience at the ER. The day after the ice storm we were out and about, roads and walkways were very clear except for an occasional small icy spot. Unfortunately as the wife was getting in the car she found a spot about 12" in diameter and went down hard on her right shoulder. On a scale of 1 - 10, her pain level was 50. I took her to the ER which was less than 1/2 mile away. After about 30 minutes they took her for an x-ray and brought her back to the waiting room. They said her Humerus was completely fractured. After five more hours of excruciating pain they brought her back to an exam room. After several examinations, questions, more x-rays, finally some Hydro's and a sling (put on incorrectly) 9 hours later they sent us home and advised we should follow up with an ortho doctor.

I thought it might have been better if we'd called an ambulance, not true. Four people came in by ambulance after us (two complaining of chest pain), yet they didn't get to an exam room until after my wife. One of the chest pain patients ended up in the room beside my wife 3 hours after her. It was late at night and cold and the waiting room was overflowing with people complaining of seemingly non emergency issues such as a rash on his calf or 3 women with a nauseous tummy. Not to get political but this looked like a preview of free health care.
I think you're better off going to one of the seem... (show quote)


You should know there is no such thing as "Free Healthcare" it's just how it is paid for before or after.

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Feb 11, 2022 11:55:52   #
Larelain Loc: Myrtle Beach, SC
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Bob Saget bumped his head and thought nothing of it. He went to bed and never woke up. Comedian Steve Allen was in a minor traffic accident and bumped his head. He died shortly afterwards. These are not isolated examples.

If you bump your head, go to the ER. Maybe you'll be okay if you don't, but maybe you'll be dead.


Natasha Richardson also hit her head while skiing on beginners slope and said she was all right but died two days later

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Feb 11, 2022 12:05:21   #
Alafoto Loc: Montgomery, AL
 
SteveFranz wrote:
Great advice!

My son was riding his motorcycle when a lady ran a stop sign & hit him. Despite wearing a helmet, he had massive head injuries & never woke up.


So very sad for your loss. I had a son go before me and it's very hard to handle. I wish you a speedy recovery, but I'm sure you have figured out by now that the grief never quite goes away.

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Feb 11, 2022 12:38:30   #
Larelain Loc: Myrtle Beach, SC
 
DougS wrote:
Unfortunately ER's are slow for the less/non life threatening injuries, and illnesses. Our Dr. told us to call his office 1st, before going to an ER, 24/7.
I would think a traumatic head injury should be "up there", also. We tend to minimize our injuries, unless there is blood running.
My most curious ER visit was for an allergic reaction to aspirin! Three "middle of the nights" in a row. Didn't even get the waiting room seat warm. On the 3rd occasion, I commented to the nurse about the short wait. Her reply was "We treat anaphylactic allergic reactions the same as a heart attack"! In 5 minutes time, your throat can swell shut, and you are toast! Got my attention! She also said " If the ER does not get you right on back, the admissions person needs to find another job". An interesting side affect was that my asthma completely disappeared when I stopped taking aspirin.
Unfortunately ER's are slow for the less/non life ... (show quote)


You are correct that you can spend a long time in the ER waiting room if you do not have life threatening injury. Last time i visited an ER in Los Angeles I had a kidney stone but was seen immediately. (It helped that I was the one who signed their payroll checks) The second time was in Myrtle Beach when I had chest pains and thought I might have a pulmonary embolism. I drove myself to the ER and they saw me immediately.

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Feb 11, 2022 12:43:09   #
JFCoupe Loc: Kent, Washington
 
one_eyed_pete wrote:
I think you're better off going to one of the seemingly hundreds of new Medi-Quick facilities, perhaps even if you have to wait until the next morning.

Four weeks ago the wife and I had a god awful horrific 14 hour experience at the ER. The day after the ice storm we were out and about, roads and walkways were very clear except for an occasional small icy spot. Unfortunately as the wife was getting in the car she found a spot about 12" in diameter and went down hard on her right shoulder. On a scale of 1 - 10, her pain level was 50. I took her to the ER which was less than 1/2 mile away. After about 30 minutes they took her for an x-ray and brought her back to the waiting room. They said her Humerus was completely fractured. After five more hours of excruciating pain they brought her back to an exam room. After several examinations, questions, more x-rays, finally some Hydro's and a sling (put on incorrectly) 9 hours later they sent us home and advised we should follow up with an ortho doctor.

I thought it might have been better if we'd called an ambulance, not true. Four people came in by ambulance after us (two complaining of chest pain), yet they didn't get to an exam room until after my wife. One of the chest pain patients ended up in the room beside my wife 3 hours after her. It was late at night and cold and the waiting room was overflowing with people complaining of seemingly non emergency issues such as a rash on his calf or 3 women with a nauseous tummy. Not to get political but this looked like a preview of free health care.
I think you're better off going to one of the seem... (show quote)


Oh, I know your wife's pain. In 2015, I fell on a bike ride and sheered off part of ball at the top of the humerus. Fortunately, my ER experience was relatively quick, but having fallen on a Friday afternoon, it was a long weekend to Monday afternoon to see the orthopedic guy. Fortunately, the fit me in for surgery on Tuesday, replacing the ball and adding a 9" titanium rod for support. Six years later, I have about 50% range of motion and lots of pain anytime I go 1 degree beyond the limit.
Hope you wife is doing fine now.

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Feb 11, 2022 15:38:35   #
Divenavy Loc: Chicago Suburbs
 
And the worse part about getting hit on a motorcycle, Car, Bike etc.
Even if you get shot in Chicago..most likely the bad guy gets a $100.00 bond and Walks.
They get a plea deal.. 10 days and their home free to do it again.

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