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Feb 9, 2022 02:04:59   #
OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919
 
flip1948 wrote:
That is not what it said at all. What it actually said was:

"New High Efficiency RAW file format maintains image quality akin to uncompressed raw files but with file sizes approximately 30% smaller for faster reading/writing to the memory card."

It also said that the camera was able to buffer up to 1,000 full raw images so there is no need to "compromise" images for processing as you claim. The 30% smaller file sizes are simply an option for those who may be using smaller capacity data cards....as are other even smaller image files. Just an option, not a requirement.

The camera, with the revolutionary new dual XSpeed 7 image processors is fully capable of delivering the larger 55mp full raw files without a hiccup.

Compare and contrast that to your vaunted SD1 Merrill (can't believe I'm bringing this up) which according to the comprehensive review by DPReview can't hold a candle to that type of performance:

"The SD1's single biggest operational flaw is the length of time it takes to write files to the card. The SD1's Raw files are huge (typically 45-60 MB), and even with respectably fast media, the camera will take 15 seconds or more to write a single file. Most unfortunate, though, is the fact that certain button functions become either erratic or completely inaccessible while it's doing so."

But of course the SD1 Merrill is a dinosaur so direct comparisons are a bit silly.
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So---you want to extend this thread into a squabble about sensors, do you?-----I did not bring up the revolutionary sensor of the Sigma $10K SD1---but since you seem to have fixation on expecting the topic to turn in that direction---(I cannot see who is writing above---is it "Flip1948?")---the far superior SD1 color camera with a FoveonX3 sensor,does not take 15 seconds to write. [IT TAKES EXACTLY 4 SECONDS TO RIGHT A 45-50MB file in the camera. And I have only a slow CF card.] Is that too long for you? Certainly it was designed for single worthwhile photos---NOT MOVIES---with a sideline in stills. As for your B&H quote I said exactly what they said that the raw files were cut 30% to acquire the movie-type flow of images in raw. Of course also---if you wanted a phone-type snap---it could output at 2mb or less in highly compressed jpeg. But nobody would pay $5 grand to take what their phones take for nothing? To bad the $5K marvel doesn't have a color sensor. It is a b&w sensor with algorithms and filters which turn a non-color Bayer into a synthetic color sensor---not like the full color stacked FoveonX3 sensor. So quit the lies. You started this change in topic---Flip1948.-------ew

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Feb 9, 2022 02:11:12   #
OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919
 
OldSchool-WI wrote:
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So---you want to extend this thread into a squabble about sensors, do you?-----I did not bring up the revolutionary sensor of the Sigma $10K SD1---but since you seem to have fixation on expecting the topic to turn in that direction---(I cannot see who is writing above---is it "Flip1948?")---the far superior SD1 color camera with a FoveonX3 sensor,does not take 15 seconds to write. [IT TAKES EXACTLY 4 SECONDS TO RIGHT A 45-50MB file in the camera. And I have only a slow CF card.] Is that too long for you? And I have only a Certainly it was designed for single worthwhile photos---NOT MOVIES---with a sideline in stills. As for your B&H quote I said exactly what they said that the raw files were cut30% to acquire the movie-type flow of images in raw. Of course also---if you wanted a phone-type snap---it could output at 2mb or less in highly compressed jpeg. But nobody would pay $5 grand to take what their phones take for nothing? To bad the $5K marvel doesn't have a color sensor. It is a b&w sensor with algorithms and filters which turn a non-color Bayer into a synthetic color---not like the full color stacked FoveonX3 sensor. So quit the lies. Your started this change in topic-------ew
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P.S.---So tell me SD1 "expert"---which button functions become erratic during the 4 seconds while the camera processes the maximum raw plus jpeg of 45 to 50mbs----just what functions were you planning to use and need while you wait four seconds? I just timed the wait and red light warning----4 seconds.----so quit your lies and mis-information about something beyond you which you know nothing about?------ew

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Feb 9, 2022 05:01:14   #
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flip1948 wrote:
A footnote, that is a brand new stacked sensor that Nikon has developed and not the one used in the Z9.

Appears to be a “1 inch” sensor, so obviously it’s NOT the Z9 sensor.

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Feb 9, 2022 05:20:54   #
flip1948 Loc: Hamden, CT
 
OldSchool-WI wrote:
P.S.---So tell me SD1 "expert"---which button functions become erratic during the 4 seconds while the camera processes the maximum raw plus jpeg of 45 to 50mbs----just what functions were you planning to use and need while you wait four seconds? I just timed the wait and red light warning----4 seconds.----so quit your lies and mis-information about something beyond you which you know nothing about?------ew

Like I said...I can't believe I would bring up the Foveon as it would lead to more meaningless nonsense. Can you take another picture during those claimed 4 seconds?

You know what would be a better experiment. Take 3 shots, one at ISO 1600, one at ISO 3200 and one at ISO 6400 and post them to UHH using "store original" so we can see them in all of their glory.

When you do that I'll do the same with my lowly 24MP Nikon D610 and it's old inferior technology Bayer sensor and we'll see which camera produces the cleaner images.

I know I won't have to take those shots because you have been asked to provide samples before and haven't done it.

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Feb 9, 2022 05:36:38   #
flip1948 Loc: Hamden, CT
 
OldSchool-WI wrote:
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So---you want to extend this thread into a squabble about sensors, do you?-----I did not bring up the revolutionary sensor of the Sigma $10K SD1---but since you seem to have fixation on expecting the topic to turn in that direction---(I cannot see who is writing above---is it "Flip1948?")---the far superior SD1 color camera with a FoveonX3 sensor,does not take 15 seconds to write. [IT TAKES EXACTLY 4 SECONDS TO RIGHT A 45-50MB file in the camera. And I have only a slow CF card.] Is that too long for you? Certainly it was designed for single worthwhile photos---NOT MOVIES---with a sideline in stills. As for your B&H quote I said exactly what they said that the raw files were cut 30% to acquire the movie-type flow of images in raw. Of course also---if you wanted a phone-type snap---it could output at 2mb or less in highly compressed jpeg. But nobody would pay $5 grand to take what their phones take for nothing? To bad the $5K marvel doesn't have a color sensor. It is a b&w sensor with algorithms and filters which turn a non-color Bayer into a synthetic color sensor---not like the full color stacked FoveonX3 sensor. So quit the lies. You started this change in topic---Flip1948.-------ew
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You are the one that needs to quit lying. I cut and pasted the quote directly from the B&H web page for the Z9. The 30% smaller file size is presented as an option if you desire files that would take up less space on your data card...and for no other reason. If you desire to save even more space there are smaller file size options as well.

The Z9 has the ability to process and save up to 50 seconds of full resolution raw files at 20 frames per second as the buffer can hold up to 1,000 shots at the full 55mb each.

Even if you could shoot that many continuous shots on your "technologically advanced" Foveon dinosaur at 4 seconds each it would take over an hour to write them to the memory card. It's simple math.

You could always use the SD1 as a $10,000 paperweight while you waiting for the files to save.

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Feb 9, 2022 05:41:06   #
nervous2 Loc: Provo, Utah
 
Some pretty cool shots! Thanks.

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Feb 9, 2022 05:56:24   #
OnDSnap Loc: NE New Jersey
 
Beautiful pictures but not much of a review that was helpful to my awaiting purchase. Funny how we all seem to pick out only the negatives. I guess we're a negative bunch. LOL

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Feb 9, 2022 06:28:51   #
OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919
 
flip1948 wrote:
Like I said...I can't believe I would bring up the Foveon as it would lead to more meaningless nonsense. Can you take another picture during those claimed 4 seconds?

You know what would be a better experiment. Take 3 shots, one at ISO 1600, one at ISO 3200 and one at ISO 6400 and post them to UHH using "store original" so we can see them in all of their glory.

When you do that I'll do the same with my lowly 24MP Nikon D610 and it's old inferior technology Bayer sensor and we'll see which camera produces the cleaner images.

I know I won't have to take those shots because you have been asked to provide samples before and haven't done it.
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Flip1948---You cannot wiggle out of your lies about the 15 seconds to make a 45-50mb raw file which in reality is 4 seconds. 'And you brought of the revolutionary Sigma SD1 FoveonX3 in a thread extolling the Z9.------Attached is the only info in the 900 page complete technical guide for the Z9 as to RAW files and they describe "High Efficiency (star) as being less than full lossless. I am presuming that means the compromised files by 30%. Please find otherwise in he manual and not something from the web. I will try to attach---but cannot cut/past from and Adobe PDF file-------------ew (won't attach as HTML--but check the full manual at page 507---"Raw recording."--------------ew

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Feb 9, 2022 07:06:19   #
nimbushopper Loc: Tampa, FL
 
Nice explanation and photos!

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Feb 9, 2022 07:28:48   #
geneg12 Loc: Virginia
 
Great description and glad you like it. When did you order your camera and where? Are you member of NPS?

I ordered mine from B&H on 15 Nov with the 24-120 lens and still waiting. Can't wait to get mine.

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Feb 9, 2022 07:53:43   #
Woodworm65 Loc: Lombard, IL
 
Thanks for your informative review, but is it really worth the price tag?

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Feb 9, 2022 07:58:44   #
Gitchigumi Loc: Wake Forest, NC
 
Thank you for your review of the Z9! And, those photos are FABULOUS!

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Feb 9, 2022 08:04:52   #
ecobin Loc: Paoli, PA
 
Good info and great photos!

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Feb 9, 2022 08:05:22   #
Gitchigumi Loc: Wake Forest, NC
 
Question… Is the canopy on #7 custom-made for the pilot? He seems quite tall and the bubble allows for some head clearance. None of the others have that bubble in the front portion of the canopy. Thanks for the great images!

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Feb 9, 2022 08:15:29   #
chrisg-optical Loc: New York, NY
 
Thanks for the info and review! The Z9 lacks a mechanical shutter (not counting the protective dust shield upon lens removal) as well as a mirror so I would expect it to be 100% silent. The "click" sound is electronically generated for user feedback - if I recall this can be turned off in the menus where you need absolute silence (e.g., in a courtroom, wildlife at close range). Note smartphones make this generated click sound for same reasons. The camera is so quiet you are likely to hear noise from some lenses during focus and iris closing/opening.

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