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NAS system with Raid 1 vs Raid 5 vs Raid 10
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Jan 27, 2022 16:28:34   #
neillaubenthal
 
GrandmaG wrote:
4 questions:

1) Do you only mount your drives when you are using them? If so, then BackBlaze is pointless.
2) Is a NAS system the best option or should I just keep 3 separate drives?
3) Recommendations for a NAS system (either what I am considering or something different).
3) My computer guy recommended Raid 5 but that does not mirror my data. Instead, should I use Raid 10?


I never shutdown my computers or dismount drives for the desktops. Our laptops (macOS) use a combination of CarbonCopyCloner to network drives on the desktops, Samsung T7 SSD clone jobs which are scheduled with reminders to tell us when to plug which drive in, and Time Machine to an external USB drive which is only plugged in periodically…but having Time Machine setup means it does local backup snapshots hourly.

Whether you use a NAS or separate drives…you need more than one backup system locally as well as something in the cloud. I use an OWC Thunderbolt RAID with local backups to 3 or 4 Seagate spinning drives and BackBlaze as well.

I never shutdown computers or drives and have them set to never sleep (desktops) or spin down drives. Laptops just get shut when we're not using them. I rebooted my iMac file server/photo processor today but it was because of a macOS update…it had been a couple months since it was restarted.

RAID 5 is fine…the failure of a single drive means you replace it and the RAID rebuilds itself. RAID 10 is overkill IMO for personal use as long as you've got adequate other backups and cloud backups. 10 is more expensive since you need more drives for the same amount of storage but if you want to afford it there isn't anything wrong with it. I personally would use 2 separate RAID 5 drives in 2 enclosures myself rather than 10 and have one primary and the other gets cloned nightly.

If you've got a machine that does most of your processing and is on all the time like I do…I personally think that a local drive on that machine that is shared is more cost effective than a NAS…and the NAS doesn't readily get backed up by BackBlaze where as the locally attached RAID does…and the RAID is probably cheaper for the same storage size.

Striped or mirrored RAIDS aren't worth using IMO…

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Feb 3, 2022 02:53:08   #
GrandmaG Loc: Flat Rock, MI
 
TriX wrote:
1) my drives stay mounted all the time and my computer stays powered up 24x7. Why? Because many HW failures occur on power up-shut down-power up cycles. If hard drive wear from spinning is a concern (it shouldn’t be, the platter spindles “ride” on air bearings), there is SW to spin down drives when not In use, but with SSD prices dropping every year, 2TB SSDs are not that much more expensive than an enterprise drive of the same size and have MANY advantages. Whatever you choose to do, you still need that off-site (cloud) DR copy of your data to protect against exactly the failure you just experienced. The fact that you couldn’t find all your data on Backblaze means it wasn’t uploaded or organized properly or you need to choose cloud storage from a MAJOR provider such as Amazon, Microsoft, Google or Apple. With cloud storage, like everything else, you get what you pay for.

2) What do you see as the advantage of a NAS? The only real advantage of NAS vs direct USB connected is that with appropriate security precautions, you can access your home data from a remote location. BUT it’s slower and since the NAS box has the file system, which is usually proprietary, it won’t be as robust/as well tested/as well supported as NTFS. Remember, it’s the file system that handles your data, so a robust file system is super important and consumer class NAS file system designers just don’t have the resources as a Microsoft. You can share data from the NAS with other devices on your home network, but you can do that by simply mapping drives.

3) A RAID 5 system does provide protection from a single drive failure. It doesn’t mirror per se, but parity information, which can be used to reconstruct missing data on the fly, is rotated across all the drives. It requires 3 drives minimum and you should have a spare that the system can mount and rebuild in the event of a failure. During that rebuild period (which can take days with big drives), the speed drops in half and a second drive failure will cost you all your data. On some systems you can add an additional drive (a so called RAID 6) to protect against a double drive failure.

A RAID 10 (1+0) is faster than a RAID 5 but “wastes” more space for protection - you get 50% of the total storage as usable, while a 3 drive RAID 5 gives you approximately 66%, or the same usable space as a 4 drive RAID 1+0. Depending on where the two drives are that fail in a RAID 1+0, it MAY tolerate a double drive failure without data loss. Personally, I would choose RAID 1+0 over RAID 5 - it’s long been the choice of classical data base administrators for a reason.

Note that none of these choices obviates the need for a backup (a RAID is NOT a substitute) AND an off-site disaster recovery copy with versioning.

Hope that helps. I commend you for taking steps to prevent another loss of data and understanding the choices open to you.
1) my drives stay mounted all the time and my comp... (show quote)


1) I currently still leave my MAC on 24/7. I believe that is what Apple recommends because it just goes to sleep when not in use. I have 3 drives with identical data on them except for the LR catalog. I have never unmounted them before. I just started to unmount my newest drive that has my Lightroom catalog on it. It is backed up to another drive, every time Lightroom is closed.

2) Currently, my backups are manual and stored on several drives. When I travel on a photo shoot, I take my MacBook and small SSD drive which contains my LR catalog and all my pictures. I always worry that something will happen to the drive while I am away. With a NAS system, I could access the catalog and pictures anywhere without the drive (I would then use the SSD as a backup drive that I'd keep offsite). Redundancy would be built in if I used mirroring. Also, I would have protection if a drive failed, because the data would get rewritten to a spare drive.

Mapping drives is a way to mount them, right? This allows you to share data without a NAS? I'm not sure how to do that.

3) I was thinking about doing BOTH a raid 5 AND a Raid 1 for maximum protection and redundancy (with an additional backup or two off-site, of course). That's why I was looking at a 6-bay NAS setup.

I have spent the entire day double checking all my pictures on all my drives and making sure they are identical. Now I'm ready to check my off-site backups and decide on a new plan going forward (see #3 above).

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