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Jan 28, 2022 18:30:48   #
yssirk123 Loc: New Jersey
 
Hi Rick. Have you ever posted any of your own pictures on this site?

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Jan 28, 2022 18:35:57   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
rmalarz wrote:
I think comments to improve focus, DOF, white balance, hue contamination, lens flare, horizon lines off-kilter, etc. should be considered constructive. These are technical aspects of good camera practice. Composition, choice of subject, etc. perhaps not so much.
--Bob


You are correct. But the Gallery rules clearly say you can ask for a critique. There are lots of folks using the gallery to post 'snapshots' for their friends to see. If people don't ask for a critique 'in the gallery'. maybe they should be left alone. It's kind of like people telling you, "you have to taste this". My response is, no I don't.

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Jan 28, 2022 18:47:11   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Personally, I've never viewed The Gallery as a place to post so friends could see, though friends can see posts here. I felt The Gallery was to share photos with other photographers and additionally have others share insights that would help one improve. It's sort of a gabfest around a very large table. If I wanted to share photos with friends, I'd send them the photographs by email, not use a public forum.
--Bob
Bill_de wrote:
You are correct. But the Gallery rules clearly say you can ask for a critique. There are lots of folks using the gallery to post 'snapshots' for their friends to see. If people don't ask for a critique 'in the gallery'. maybe they should be left alone. It's kind of like people telling you, "you have to taste this". My response is, no I don't.

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Jan 28, 2022 18:57:40   #
PAR4DCR Loc: A Sunny Place
 
Rick from NY wrote:
The reason I started the thread was because last year I replied to a post in the gallery saying that the image was neither sharply focused nor well exposed and got a firm rap on my knuckles from the forum moderator and several members telling me that only photos posted to “Critique” forum may be criticized. Since then I have accepted my mother’s dogma that if I couldn’t say anything nice, I should say nothing at all.


I have run into the "praise" for sub-standard images from time to time also Rick. If I disagree will just give a short explanation of why, blown highlights, like to see more shadow area, to close a crop, etc.
This is not a full blown critique but offers some advice as I see it. Have not been slapped by forum moderator for these short comments. Other times like you, I just pass on the image and say nothing.

Don

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Jan 28, 2022 18:58:28   #
TimHGuitar Loc: San Francisco, CA
 
I was in the business of making posters for the public to see. They were posted in bus shelters and measured 48" x 68." They were back lit at nighttime so that drivers and passengers in cars driving by would see them clearly at night. When these sidewalk units were first installed the advertising agencies would ask us to deliver, what I considered, conventional good quality prints that looked like professionally shot images. After about 10 years we were asked to make posters that looked like Polaroid snap shots. They were slightly out of focus (shot that way) with a yellow/green tint to them that made them look, what I thought, ugly.
That was what the customer ordered and that's what we gave them. Eventually the style changed and advertising messages became even weirder. Horizons were sometimes tilted and messages were difficult to read. It was like looking at a mystery image. The poster made you stand there to figure out what they were selling. I still see such ads today. Often I can't tell what the message is. Maybe it's because the designer got too creative... not sure. Maybe an obvious attempt to be different?
In any case, in the end I figured, to each his/her own.

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Jan 28, 2022 19:16:03   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
rmalarz wrote:
Personally, I've never viewed The Gallery as a place to post so friends could see, though friends can see posts here. I felt The Gallery was to share photos with other photographers and additionally have others share insights that would help one improve. It's sort of a gabfest around a very large table. If I wanted to share photos with friends, I'd send them the photographs by email, not use a public forum.
--Bob


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Jan 28, 2022 19:45:14   #
fantom Loc: Colorado
 
cjc2 wrote:
SOMETIMES, I use the philosophy that if you don't have anything good to say, say nothing. I have also seen lots of very poor work being praised! Best of luck.



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Jan 28, 2022 20:03:54   #
FotoHog Loc: on Cloud 9
 
Since I joined, I have seen the entire "photo quality spectrum" on display and have occasionally been tempted to offer suggestions for improvement. I also quickly noticed how thin-skinned some members in here are and found it best to restrain myself. I also know that my own offerings have not always met the highest standards of photography. Nevertheless, regardless of quality there can sometimes be the proverbial "je ne sais quoi" about an image that makes it worth being posted.
(P S: please, feel free to critique my comment) . . . .

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Jan 28, 2022 20:10:05   #
cedymock Loc: Irmo, South Carolina
 
Rick from NY wrote:
It is my understanding that replies to posts in this section are expected to be not critical of an image and that criticisms of photos are restricted to the “Critique” section where posters solicit negative as well as positive comments. I understand the thinking that such a forum is designed to be a place to display work one is proud of and looking for ego stroking, but it troubles me that 3 pages of “great shots”, “ 👍s” and “well dones” in response to clearly inferior photos may do the poster more harm than good. I’m not talking about subjective analysis of a particular image. Rather I am referring to photos that are unintentionally out of focus, over sharpened to the point where the halos become the subject, unintentional skewed horizons, unintentional color shifts and other technical issues like a tree growing out of the subject’s head” that are NOT subjective. If a member posts a photo he/she is proud of looking for affirmation and experienced photographers clearly see that the image lacks sharpness, commenting “nice set” will not allow the poster to learn how to improve.

Again - I understand the desire to be supportive of such posters and the reluctance to say something “not nice” as my mother warned me not to do, but reinforcing demonstrably poor technique prevents a shooter from improving. I really don’t have a great solution for this problem, other than to say nothing in response to a post. Anyone else see this as a problem preventing growth in photography skills?
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I totally agree with you Rick, that is why at the bottom of my post you will find this statement.
Charles & Please constructive critical comments always so I may continue to improve!

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Jan 28, 2022 20:15:44   #
lbarnett25 Loc: Baldwinsville, NY
 
I’ve been wondering why members “praise” inferior photos. I thought perhaps the site is an old boys club where everyone gets a pat on the back.

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Jan 28, 2022 20:16:53   #
lbarnett25 Loc: Baldwinsville, NY
 
I’ve been wondering why members “praise” inferior photos. I thought perhaps the site is an old boys club where everyone gets a pat on the back.

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Jan 28, 2022 20:40:17   #
u4ea
 
Blair Shaw Jr wrote:
It is almost always better to be kind & encouraging than to be critical of someone's efforts. Most folks ,here, tend to seek the later and offer critiques if asked to do so and generally with the proper solutions in tow....otherwise they'll say very little and move on.

Everybody takes bad pictures. I enjoy looking at all the pictures....not just the special ones, but the Not so Special ones as well.......at least they are trying to please me and I appreciate their time & efforts .

Kindness is never out of fashion.
It is almost always better to be kind & encou... (show quote)


Blair,
You are a good and kind human being and many here could learn life lessons from you!
u4ea
BTW,
In our house, we were were taught "it's not the words, it's the music"
Have a wonderful day!

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Jan 28, 2022 20:40:28   #
David_E Loc: Maryland Eastern Shore
 
Longshadow wrote:
Obviously it means something to them.
But I understand your point.

If it does nothing for me I just move on.



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Jan 28, 2022 20:43:18   #
Photolady2014 Loc: Southwest Colorado
 
rmalarz wrote:
I tend to agree with you, Rick. Posting to this site has definitely improved my photography. It's an approach of the "do I really want someone looking at this?" approach. You're correct in stating numerous pages of "pats on the back" of a mediocre photograph are not going to help anyone improve. Along with your "list" of points to consider, a pet peeve of mine is color contamination. Oddly, I'm primarily a black and white photographer. However, when producing a black and white photograph from an original capture done in color, it's important to have accurate color from which to work. So, I think you have some valid points in your post.

One problem that exists is knowledge of how to properly critique. Critiquing is an art in itself. Many lack the insight into that art but proceed with critiquing regardless.
--Bob
I tend to agree with you, Rick. Posting to this si... (show quote)


Well said.

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Jan 28, 2022 21:18:33   #
rook2c4 Loc: Philadelphia, PA USA
 
If a posted image receives 3 pages of praises, then perhaps you have failed to see what all those other people are seeing.

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