Timmers Loc: San Antonio Texas.

There is a post with regards to photographing more than one model,
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-726705-1.html
in this case two women, like the link to multiple models.

The image works most assuredly and is due to the fact that both Violetta Storms and Kerri not only know one another but are vary close friends, having known one another for years, and having worked togeather may times. This is the critical dynamic when working with multiple models in a shoot. Of course mullicbill knows this and has used it to his advantage in making this image of the girls.

It is hard enough to get that all important dynamic from any model, to get it from two women in the same frame is even more difficult. What strikes a cord in myself as a viewer is that these two women are both comfortable with each other, but more to the point, that there is a 'chemistry' with the artist making the image as well.

I will push this idea further, any good to great nude photography is a kin to portrait photography in many ways, perhaps even more so than in that of portrait photography. Both portrait and nude images needs a strong chemistry between the sitter and the artist creating the image.

Often this seems to be assumed or lost with viewers observations. In fact it is more crucial than the many obvious issues of lighting, composition and the many variables that are often covered in comments. The truly good to great works find that certain spark in just this difficult and some what ephemeral quality.

In the final analysis, having been privy to a long number of posted images by this person mullicbill, he has a good track record of producing that consistency of 'keepers' with what he has been posting. I for one will continue to look forward to his posts knowing that his work is that of a rather accomplished producer of fine works.

Timmers Loc: San Antonio Texas.

On this point I completely disagree. I think the feather adds a certain intimacy that unifies and that creates or completes, that of the joining of the women to one another.

The brim of the hat crossing from Violetta across to Kerri's head dress acts to unify the two women in a way that their touching each other adds an innocent and close bonding of shared 'intimacy' that is not sexual, but of a shared common intimacy that women will often show toward one another.

Intimacy does not need to be sexual, but to create that with two nude bodies of healthy sensual nude bodies is not easy by any stretch of the imagination. In fact it can be nearly imposable unless it is carefully presented.

The image is extremely well balanced and shows a type of restraint hard to achieve in clothed figures, and of course to achieve this in the nude female form speaks to the strong balance that is not just the two women but to the sensuality of he hidden element of the 'third wheel' of the image, that of the image maker.

One might easily imagine that this image is the work of a female image maker, it has such a sensual and balanced feminine intimacy.

JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.

Easy fix for the loincloth... crop just above it.

WirtzWorld Loc: SE WI

I’ve been following this post for a couple of days now and just can’t stay quiet any longer. These girls are extremely beautiful. Technically, this photo is pretty good. The lighting is easy in diffused outdoor light. Shade it looks like, I see sunlight in the background, and a single flash. But let’s get real, the pose is sophomoric and the props (their outfits) are just ridiculous. These girls deserve something better, a more imaginative presentation, to be sure.

Timmers Loc: San Antonio Texas.

Perhaps, a certain truth is here stated, yet one is reminded, "Careful with that ax Eugene!"

mullicabill Loc: NYC

appreciate the positive feedback . . will be posting more

mullicabill Loc: NYC

no flash here . . these models were young & sophomoric at the time image taken

Timmers Loc: San Antonio Texas.

What? You mean this was not taken recently of these Jersey girls? By the way how ever did you get the grass so green and get rid of the snow. Response is with my tongue firmly in my cheek! LOL!!!

Back to reality, this looks like an image done early in the two women's careers. Not to disparage either of these models, but Kerri is 'not the sharpest tool in the shed" to quote an old saying, and Violet Storm is what one woman friend who was doing modeling and said "She is not really model material."

It is often never stated and often is lost to the viewer, models who are of a caliber that are the most creative and are accomplished have certain attributes and it is not necessarily just good looks.

Soul is one trait tat is extremely important but, by enlarge brains is one of the deal breakers for any model. Models like MOSH, Liz Ashly, London Andrews, VADA, Jenny KNOX, Shadyn, Nicotine Desire, Lalinn, Laura Crass, Holly B. these are all models with above average intellects. Of those I have mentioned here, one never finished high school, most completed high school, several hold PhDs or Masters degrees while some are doctors of the medical arts. In a fashion it is close to an insult to think of them as 'models', they are more akin to accomplished actresses of the sort that were the grand dames of the stage.

Great women demand greatness from men of vision, these men are often called artists. So I'm always so amused when I read that there are so few great visual artists. Our notion of the visual arts is so limited, so categorized, and yet these women just smile and shrug their shoulders, as it so often amuses them. For these women the male term 'the right stuff' is well known to them.

One last point needs to be pointed out, all of the best women are parthenos in their character. It is the single most important quality I respond to when working with any model. This notion of a muse is such a let down as a notion.

WirtzWorld Loc: SE WI

Sorry, but the shadow on the Indian girl looks like a flash shadow. It’s not if you say it’s not.

WirtzWorld Loc: SE WI

Now to this young and sophomoric: the Oxford dictionary of languages defines sophomoric as young and juvenile. I take that (juvenile) to be a pejorative description. Meaning that they act juvenile. Almost all models of a young age are flaky. 18 - 25 years old girls are a breed to themselves. Not yet fully functional in most cases. But we shoot them and we handle them despite their immaturity. We get good or great photos even while playing nursemaid or psychiatrist to these girls. Don’t blame your results on the models being ‘sophomoric’. The photos are your doing.

Ed. note: the previous statement obviously doesn’t apply to all young women, but a lot. Amoreena is an architect at the age of 25, but a lot of the models I’ve worked with are flipping burgers and living with their parents.

mullicabill Loc: NYC

not flash

WirtzWorld Loc: SE WI

Okay then.

Timmers Loc: San Antonio Texas.

Women of today, including and especially the young generation I encounter are involved with the same issues of status and self worth, they are no different than young men, just the issues and solutions are different. But I do want to note that the two notions of "young and sophomoric" are not to be placed togeather necessarily.

One can be young and not sophomoric and conversely a person can be sophomoric and of an advanced age. It is true that one can be both young and sophomoric, of this there is no dough.

Two of the young women I was able to work with at 18 years of age were Laura Crass and Holly B. what they had in common was that the were both off the scales with highly developed intellects. With Holly it was science, biology and medicine, while with Laura it was philosophy.

With Laura I had trouble keeping up with her discussion of Martin Heidegger and Metaphysics, she had studied his Way Back into the Ground of the Metaphysics and had a deep understanding of it, apparently as early as 16.

Both had a common problem, they both though of themselves as not that intelligent and both were concerned that they were not really attractive. These are common perceptional problems among women and especially young women. It is that family and friends had informed them of their short comings. Both needed mentoring and I was delighted that they both wanted my help along that path.

When it comes to that thing called beauty and the more cortical issue of desirability there is nothing better than other beautiful women to talk to them and make them see just how great their physical qualities are. It comes down to girls talking to another girl, so I saw to it that other beauties expressed that certain 'jealousy' that women can have towards one another in a non challenging manner.

My job was a simple one with the mentoring, that was showing them just how sharp they were. It was asy but required focus and honesty.

In the end it was the finally key that helped both to understand where they stood and why all the problems, that was to reveal to them that they were different not because of their beauty inside and out, nor their intellect, but the key to the modern plight of women through out human history. It is summed up in one idea, it is parthenos. This I believe is the key to understanding any and all women. It is the basis of the reason for the differences between women and how they can fit togeather and never be at war with themselves and other women.

parthenos is a quite simple but difficult thing to grasp, especially if you are male. There is nothing in the male structure that embraces parthenos. So if you don't get it, not to worry, the women understand just as soon as they get exposed to the idea. Put another way, if you think you understand that there is a structure and location calling it lf the Parthenon and it relates some how to being virginal you have totally missed the train on this idea, and yes, the Parthenon is there and the name draws from the root parthenos, you are correct but it explains nothing.

Powerful women make grand models because they both intuitively and intellectual, and toss in spiritually, then they are in that state of parthenos. There is no better explanation. And when a woman understands her parthenos roots, then they begin to become the grand women that they are and can be. The Wonder Woman myth is the spinning of the story of parthenos.

I wanted to post these two women's images so you can see who they are.

Holly


Laura Crass

Real Nikon Lover Loc: Simi Valley, CA

Nice photo. Love colors and lighting.

buckwheat Loc: Clarkdale, AZ and Belen NM

I see Timmers has once again hijacked a perfectly good post, only this time rode it beyond the sunset and into the grave!