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Jan 28, 2022 10:09:49   #
Lastcastmike
 
Great camera. Been using one exclusively for 4 years. After a while, you don’t even use the menus. Exposure compensation, the Aperture, Shutter, Auto wheel and the focus selection switch. That’s it. The Friedman book will show you all you need.

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Jan 28, 2022 11:48:37   #
RosiArt
 
HIGHLY recommend the Gary Friedman book. It's about 750 pages, so it gives you an idea of the complexity of the menu system. Like others, I get just as good, if not better photos than with my 35lbs. backpack of Canon equipment, and I'm always ready of the next best shot. By the way, someone mentioned it has a Zeiss lens. That's incorrect- better yet, it has a Leica lens.

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Jan 28, 2022 12:24:17   #
azted Loc: Las Vegas, NV.
 
Ufauxreal wrote:
Wanting to lighten the load I purchased an Olympus Mirrorless plus several lenses. In the past I have always shot Canon so when using a new camera much of the settings and menu were familiar. Not so with the Olympus. I am finding it so frustrating. I am also tired of carrying around a bunch of lenses.

I have read really good things about the Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX10 IV. My question: will using this camera be fairly intuitive or will I face similar frustrations.

I do a lot of close ups, mainly flowers, but since I am in Florida I would love to try my hand at some bird photography.
Wanting to lighten the load I purchased an Olympus... (show quote)


I have had Sony, Nikon and Olympus equipment, and I feel that the Sony menu is easier and more intuitive than the Olympus. I cannot remember the Nikon at all. I had the original RX-10, and I sold it after collecting too many other bodies. The reality is that the Zeiss lens on the RX-10 is so perfectly matched to the sensor, that you will get many more keepers, no matter if you shoot in Aperture priority, Shutter priority, or in auto. It is just a piece of equipment that has been perfected! (I do also own an RX100 v as well as two full frame Sonys and the OlympusM-5 ll)

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Jan 28, 2022 13:39:01   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
Ufauxreal wrote:
Wanting to lighten the load I purchased an Olympus Mirrorless plus several lenses. In the past I have always shot Canon so when using a new camera much of the settings and menu were familiar. Not so with the Olympus. I am finding it so frustrating. I am also tired of carrying around a bunch of lenses.

I have read really good things about the Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX10 IV. My question: will using this camera be fairly intuitive or will I face similar frustrations.

I do a lot of close ups, mainly flowers, but since I am in Florida I would love to try my hand at some bird photography.
Wanting to lighten the load I purchased an Olympus... (show quote)

Every camera has its quirks and different menus. The Sony RX10 IV (and III) menus are not the easiest to navigate but start in P mode shooting and learn as you go. GREAT camera!!

bwa

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Jan 28, 2022 16:36:32   #
JoeM845
 
Ufauxreal wrote:
... I have read really good things about the Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX10 IV. My question: will using this camera be fairly intuitive or will I face similar frustrations.

I do a lot of close ups, mainly flowers, but since I am in Florida I would love to try my hand at some bird photography.

I bought this camera to lighten my load for an African safari last year. with non-photographers. I was a Nikon shooter with a D600 and a bunch of lenses. I had concerns about dust and reaction time changing lenses in an open-sided land cruiser.

The camera performs well for me. I mostly shot RAW and used the full zoom range of the lens. I got increased noise and a need to have the subject fill the frame because of the small sensor size. Both of these problems can be mitigated in post.

The menu system is very strange after years of Nikon. I still have trouble internalizing it as a whole system rather than many loosely connected parts. I concur with the recommendations for Knight's book. His explanations were far clearer than the official manual but my mind's eye concept of the menu still wasn't hanging together.

Take a look at "Sony RX10iv for Point and Shoot Nature Photography Guide" (https://psnp.info/psnp_/?p=1525) by Steve Ingraham. It's a free download with a request for a contribution if you find it useful. His explanations are also clearer. He also talks about how he uses the camera, the settings he uses, and why he does things the way he does. That helped me a lot.

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Jan 28, 2022 17:50:40   #
Ufauxreal
 
Thanks to everyone's enthusiasm and encouragement I just pulled the trigger and ordered this camera. Can't wait to receive it. I know I will probably have a ton of questions. And, if my track record holds, now that I have ordered the mark IV version you can expect the mark V version any day!😁

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Jan 28, 2022 17:53:00   #
azted Loc: Las Vegas, NV.
 
Ufauxreal wrote:
Thanks to everyone's enthusiasm and encouragement I just pulled the trigger and ordered this camera. Can't wait to receive it. I know I will probably have a ton of questions. And, if my track record holds, now that I have ordered the mark IV version you can expect the mark V version any day!😁


You will wonder why you ever had a body and individual lenses. Start in auto to learn to trust it, and to learn the focusing methods. Then progress. It is well built and beautiful!

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Jan 28, 2022 17:59:25   #
Ufauxreal
 
JoeM845 wrote:
I bought this camera to lighten my load for an African safari last year. with non-photographers. I was a Nikon shooter with a D600 and a bunch of lenses. I had concerns about dust and reaction time changing lenses in an open-sided land cruiser.

The camera performs well for me. I mostly shot RAW and used the full zoom range of the lens. I got increased noise and a need to have the subject fill the frame because of the small sensor size. Both of these problems can be mitigated in post.

The menu system is very strange after years of Nikon. I still have trouble internalizing it as a whole system rather than many loosely connected parts. I concur with the recommendations for Knight's book. His explanations were far clearer than the official manual but my mind's eye concept of the menu still wasn't hanging together.

Take a look at "Sony RX10iv for Point and Shoot Nature Photography Guide" (https://psnp.info/psnp_/?p=1525) by Steve Ingraham. It's a free download with a request for a contribution if you find it useful. His explanations are also clearer. He also talks about how he uses the camera, the settings he uses, and why he does things the way he does. That helped me a lot.
I bought this camera to lighten my load for an Afr... (show quote)

Thanks for that link. I've got it downloaded and will read it later.

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Jan 28, 2022 18:37:59   #
MadMikeOne Loc: So. NJ Shore - a bit west of Atlantic City
 
markngolf wrote:
I have one since 2018 which I purchased for a river cruise. I did not want to lug my two Canon DSLR's & lenses .., which amounted to a backpack and 30 pounds of stuff!
Last year I sold all my Canon equipment. The Sony RX10 IV handles all my photographic needs. Yes, the learning curve is steep, due to Sony's complicated/never ending menu system. However purchasing the Friedman book (https://www.amazon.com/Friedman-Archives-Guide-Sonys-RX-10-ebook/dp/B08KY5BQ2F) will help the learning process. Until you learn it, *auto* works pretty well. If you end up purchasing one, send me a PM and I'll send you a "gift".
Mark
I have one since 2018 which I purchased for a rive... (show quote)


What Mark said about the learning curve. Friedman's book is A BIG help!

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Jan 29, 2022 00:06:39   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
RosiArt wrote:
HIGHLY recommend the Gary Friedman book. It's about 750 pages, so it gives you an idea of the complexity of the menu system. Like others, I get just as good, if not better photos than with my 35lbs. backpack of Canon equipment, and I'm always ready of the next best shot. By the way, someone mentioned it has a Zeiss lens. That's incorrect- better yet, it has a Leica lens.


No, it has a Zeiss lens. I wrote about this camera the other day. It’s the camera I’ve shot most over the 2 years I’ve had it. It’s also my least favorite camera to shoot. I do a lot of my shooting from a kayak and it is by far the best option I’ve found that’s easily manageable while sitting in a kayak. It’s amazing to be able to capture BIF from a kayak. I love it for what it’s capable of but it will never replace my other cameras. I think the ergonomics suck, I hate the menu system, the raw files take a lot more work than my Nikon raw files, everything has to go through Topaz Denoise. I hate the electronic zoom as it is and it loses focus when zooming.

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Jan 29, 2022 01:37:52   #
azted Loc: Las Vegas, NV.
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
No, it has a Zeiss lens. I wrote about this camera the other day. It’s the camera I’ve shot most over the 2 years I’ve had it. It’s also my least favorite camera to shoot. I do a lot of my shooting from a kayak and it is by far the best option I’ve found that’s easily manageable while sitting in a kayak. It’s amazing to be able to capture BIF from a kayak. I love it for what it’s capable of but it will never replace my other cameras. I think the ergonomics suck, I hate the menu system, the raw files take a lot more work than my Nikon raw files, everything has to go through Topaz Denoise. I hate the electronic zoom as it is and it loses focus when zooming.
No, it has a Zeiss lens. I wrote about this camer... (show quote)


Awwwwwwww, a true love/hate relationship. How cute!

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Jan 29, 2022 05:55:36   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Ufauxreal wrote:
Wanting to lighten the load I purchased an Olympus Mirrorless plus several lenses. In the past I have always shot Canon so when using a new camera much of the settings and menu were familiar. Not so with the Olympus. I am finding it so frustrating. I am also tired of carrying around a bunch of lenses.

I have read really good things about the Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX10 IV. My question: will using this camera be fairly intuitive or will I face similar frustrations.

I do a lot of close ups, mainly flowers, but since I am in Florida I would love to try my hand at some bird photography.
Wanting to lighten the load I purchased an Olympus... (show quote)


The learning curve is whatever you make it out to be. You can start taking great shots right out of the box. However, exploring deeper into the menus and the camera's capabilities will take more time. If you use the camera regularly at the beginning, experimenting with settings and menu choices, you'll be very comfortable in 2 to 3 weeks. You'll be amazed at how quickly and accurately it focuses on moving subjects, the AI-guided Eye Focus tool (for humans AND animals), and if you take video, you'll be amazed at the capabilities.

Nothing is intuitive out of the box. But having learned a few other camera systems will definitely help.

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Jan 29, 2022 16:44:25   #
Ltgk20 Loc: Salisbury, NC
 
I bought a used one for my wife and it works quite well. I shot Minolta for 20 years and then made the natural move to Sony A mount and now E mount. Some dislike the Sony menus, but I never had a problem. What I found with the RX10 is the same as my a99, a99ii, a9ii and now a1 is this: take the time to set the camera up the way you want including all of the custom buttons and function menu (one of the best things about Sonys is that they are extremely customizable). Once you do this it will be a vary rare thing that you'll need to go into the menus for anything. Also, I've had many of Gary Friedman's books and recommend them.

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