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Jan 28, 2022 10:37:44   #
mikegreenwald Loc: Illinois
 
I have no problem with critical analysis as long as it's presented in a mannerly and helpful way. However there are occasionally posts that are demeaning and/or insulting to the OP or a critic, and those have no place here nor anywhere else.

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Jan 28, 2022 10:45:20   #
Guyserman Loc: Benton, AR
 
Longshadow wrote:
Therefore they simply like the image? And there is something wrong with that?
Tastes/perception cannot differ?


Obviously, not everyone answers these questions the same. My answers are: Yes they simply like the image; no, there is nothing wrong with that; yes, tastes/perception can differ.

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Jan 28, 2022 10:47:16   #
Kozan Loc: Trenton Tennessee
 
Rick from NY wrote:
It is my understanding that replies to posts in this section are expected to be not critical of an image and that criticisms of photos are restricted to the “Critique” section where posters solicit negative as well as positive comments. I understand the thinking that such a forum is designed to be a place to display work one is proud of and looking for ego stroking, but it troubles me that 3 pages of “great shots”, “ 👍s” and “well dones” in response to clearly inferior photos may do the poster more harm than good. I’m not talking about subjective analysis of a particular image. Rather I am referring to photos that are unintentionally out of focus, over sharpened to the point where the halos become the subject, unintentional skewed horizons, unintentional color shifts and other technical issues like a tree growing out of the subject’s head” that are NOT subjective. If a member posts a photo he/she is proud of looking for affirmation and experienced photographers clearly see that the image lacks sharpness, commenting “nice set” will not allow the poster to learn how to improve.

Again - I understand the desire to be supportive of such posters and the reluctance to say something “not nice” as my mother warned me not to do, but reinforcing demonstrably poor technique prevents a shooter from improving. I really don’t have a great solution for this problem, other than to say nothing in response to a post. Anyone else see this as a problem preventing growth in photography skills?
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Rick, The general population really doesn't care about improving their photography skills. They think they are good photographers already. So they don't want anyone to tell them their photography is not top notch. The Photo Gallery is probably not the place to give constructive criticism. And, the very good photographers see things that others would not even think about.

The photo club I used to belong to is that way. The most mediocre photos are placed on the club Facebook page for everyone to gloat over and say how wonderful they look. It's pathetic.

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Jan 28, 2022 10:51:28   #
rdgreenwood Loc: Kennett Square, Pennsylvania
 
JohnR wrote:
I do so agree - also considering the comments on what I consider are ordinary shots, makes me wonder what Hoggers really think of my posts. I only comment now on what I consider good or interesting shots and probably won't bother posting many myself.
Absolutely correct! I’m always astounded by the gushing comments heaped on poor or mediocre images. We can learn a great deal from honest, well-intended critiques; critiques that shy away from the obvious weaknesses of an image abandon any opportunity for improvement.

We should gain knowledge from our mistakes, not get a pat on our ego.

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Jan 28, 2022 10:52:20   #
marine73 Loc: Modesto California
 
Rick from NY wrote:
I think you’re missing my point. If a TECHNICALLY crummy image is praised across 3 pages, how does a person improve?


Pray tell why does an image always have to be technically correct. Not everyone on here is a professional photographer where they are making a living photographing a model or going on shoots to the wilds of Africa or the mountains of North America for a magazine, but they are trying to tell a story with photos of where they have been and what they saw. I have photos from fleet week last year that I did not post because the aircraft was on the edge of the image, if that had been the only capture of that aircraft I would have posted it with a caption such as I barely caught this aircraft as it was leaving the show area, but since I had others I left it out. In your opinion that would have been a technically crummy Image, but for me it was telling a story.

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Jan 28, 2022 10:53:41   #
sirvive Loc: South Louisiana
 

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Jan 28, 2022 10:58:36   #
Guyserman Loc: Benton, AR
 
Rick from NY wrote:
This is what it must feel like to bang one’s head against a wall. Reminds me of kiddie sports teams that give no trophies for first, second or third - just participation trophies for everyone who showed up so no one’s feelings are hurt.

People - the purpose of my original post had nothing to do with photographic perfection or subjective evaluations. The intent was to caution people that oohing and aahing over awful photos offers the person who uploaded the poor photo no opportunity to become better photogs and to further suggest that it would be both kinder and more beneficial to the person who posts an obviously poor photo to SAY NOTHING, rather than blow 3 pages of smoke with unwarranted 👍’s. Stop the nitpicking about what constitutes a “poor” photo. I am referring to the too many photos posted that are obviously just terrible. C’mon people - you’ve all seen photos that fall into the “terrible” category. Let’s stop pretending that every shutter click results in a photo that should be afforded the benefit of the doubt as to any measure of quality. It ain’t so in the real world!
This is what it must feel like to bang one’s head ... (show quote)


Your posts are riddled with assumptions.

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Jan 28, 2022 10:59:29   #
SpikeW Loc: Butler PA
 
Now a photo of big foot. Would we say whoah!! or the trees are out of focus? The first pictures I submitted to the forum someone sad that he would liked to see the bottom of one of the trees. Since that time I have been very conscious of looking to see if I can incorporate things like the bottom of a tree. I appreciate the help and the fact that the moment was done in a friendly way. So a lot is in what is the subject and the conditions when the image was made and just what was the person trying to show, just maybe it wasn't that super sharp image. Now I can sit back and enjoy the rest of the morning. I hope this has not been too critical and that I got my spelling right.

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Jan 28, 2022 11:07:47   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Rick from NY wrote:
It is my understanding that replies to posts in this section are expected to be not critical of an image and that criticisms of photos are restricted to the “Critique” section where posters solicit negative as well as positive comments. I understand the thinking that such a forum is designed to be a place to display work one is proud of and looking for ego stroking, but it troubles me that 3 pages of “great shots”, “ 👍s” and “well dones” in response to clearly inferior photos may do the poster more harm than good. I’m not talking about subjective analysis of a particular image. Rather I am referring to photos that are unintentionally out of focus, over sharpened to the point where the halos become the subject, unintentional skewed horizons, unintentional color shifts and other technical issues like a tree growing out of the subject’s head” that are NOT subjective. If a member posts a photo he/she is proud of looking for affirmation and experienced photographers clearly see that the image lacks sharpness, commenting “nice set” will not allow the poster to learn how to improve.

Again - I understand the desire to be supportive of such posters and the reluctance to say something “not nice” as my mother warned me not to do, but reinforcing demonstrably poor technique prevents a shooter from improving. I really don’t have a great solution for this problem, other than to say nothing in response to a post. Anyone else see this as a problem preventing growth in photography skills?
It is my understanding that replies to posts in th... (show quote)


Every section on UHH has its own rules posted. The Photo Gallery is not necessarily a place for critiques unless they are asked for. The Photo Gallery Rules start with:

This section is for posting pictures you took. If you want to ask others to comment on your choice of subjects, composition, settings, show off your pictures to others, or ask for general critique, then please do so in the Photo Gallery section.


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Jan 28, 2022 11:09:51   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
marine73 wrote:
Pray tell why does an image always have to be technically correct. Not everyone on here is a professional photographer where they are making a living photographing a model or going on shoots to the wilds of Africa or the mountains of North America for a magazine, but they are trying to tell a story with photos of where they have been and what they saw. I have photos from fleet week last year that I did not post because the aircraft was on the edge of the image, if that had been the only capture of that aircraft I would have posted it with a caption such as I barely caught this aircraft as it was leaving the show area, but since I had others I left it out. In your opinion that would have been a technically crummy Image, but for me it was telling a story.
Pray tell why does an image always have to be tech... (show quote)


Obviously the shot(s) mean something to the poster, the photographer.

Who assumes/believes that any photos posted here have to be interesting to everyone, technically correct, and well composed? Who assumes/believes that ALL people posting images want to "improve"? Their photos may be fine for them.

The forum is not limited to displaying perfection, or only for learning, contrary to what some believe.
(Notice I didn't say "may believe".)

Maybe I need a higher horse. Wait, I don't have a horse.

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Jan 28, 2022 11:12:05   #
cascom Loc: Redmond
 
My daughter-in-law sends me prints of my grandson that would never the light of day had I taken them. They get posted on the refrigerator but I don't offer photo suggestions.

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Jan 28, 2022 11:22:06   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
cascom wrote:
My daughter-in-law sends me prints of my grandson that would never the light of day had I taken them. They get posted on the refrigerator but I don't offer photo suggestions.


Agreed.

But some, unfortunately cannot let it go.

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Jan 28, 2022 11:22:10   #
krl48 Loc: NY, PA now SC
 
Rick, you let your feelings be known about this same subject a year and a half ago....https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-660743-1.html

I have a solution for you - when you visit the Photo Gallery, look at the photos, ignore the comments....and then move on.

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Jan 28, 2022 11:23:22   #
marine73 Loc: Modesto California
 
krl48 wrote:
Rick, you let your feelings be known about this same subject a year and a half ago....https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-660743-1.html

I have a solution for you - when you visit the Photo Gallery, look at the photos, ignore the comments....and then move on.


Amen

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Jan 28, 2022 11:26:15   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
krl48 wrote:
Rick, you let your feelings be known about this same subject a year and a half ago....https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-660743-1.html

I have a solution for you - when you visit the Photo Gallery, look at the photos, ignore the comments....and then move on.





(But,...but,....but,...)

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