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Jan 24, 2022 20:13:12   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I've been heating with wood since 1974, with oil as a backup and for hot water. The price of a cord of firewood has risen to $300 locally. There's no way that I can justify paying $300 for a "cord" of wood. I don't think I ever got a full cord delivered. I stack and measure it, and it's always short of a cord. I'll have to figure out a way to see how much it would cost to heat the house with oil. I'll also try to stop the drafts and add more insulation here and there.


Using firewood to heat your home is the most environmentally unfriendly thing you can do.... If people are truly worried about climate change they would consider this.

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Jan 24, 2022 21:17:58   #
14kphotog Loc: Marietta, Ohio
 
Old Coot wrote:
He who cuts his own firewood is twice warmed


FIVE times if you count Cut, Split, Stack, Carry in and carry out the ash.

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Jan 24, 2022 22:56:26   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
People who have never heated completely or partly with wood have no concept of what a full cord is. It has become whatever the guy with the pickup truck says it is. I heated only with wood in my years in Maine. It was delivered in the form of 4x4x8 at a very reasonable price. (Of course that was in the 1970s.)



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Jan 25, 2022 05:55:54   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Using firewood to heat your home is the most environmentally unfriendly thing you can do.... If people are truly worried about climate change they would consider this.

When Carbon Tax exceeds the cost of natural gas for heating the government is essentially forcing me to burn wood and be 'environmentally unfriendly'! I guess it is the government that is not too worried about climate change?

bwa

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Jan 25, 2022 07:46:56   #
starlifter Loc: Towson, MD
 
I have had a wood stove for over 30 years. And ( Knock on wood ), have never paid money for wood. I have a pickup truck and a 20" Husvanagh chain saw and scrounge through the year. There is also a landscaping company and can go to that dumps wood there. I use the wood as primary with forced air gas for back up. I built a covered shelter that holds the 5-6 cords I usually use. My wife and I are both retired and home a lot so the stove goes 24/7.

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Jan 25, 2022 11:15:12   #
philo Loc: philo, ca
 
there is no thing as free wood. I have a lot of down trees and it has to be cut to size, split and stacked. I can't find anyone willing to do it for free.

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Jan 25, 2022 13:26:43   #
Doc Barry Loc: Huntsville, Alabama USA
 
Wuligal wrote:
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I don't know what AOC uses to heat her apartment but I want some of that.


Isn't it obvious? She heats with hot air generated by her talking!

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Jan 25, 2022 13:30:44   #
SpikeW Loc: Butler PA
 
When I was younger I was trimming limbs from a fallen tree. I thought I was been very careful and then I felt cold air on my leg. This was strange because I had on long underwear under my jeans. On looking down the saw had cut through my jeans and the long underwear. There was not even a scratch on my leg. Now I guess I should tell you about my guardian angel. She was the one who stoped the saw with the warning lesson and she also told me my wife was the right one.

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Jan 25, 2022 14:28:46   #
chikid68 Loc: Tennesse USA
 
stanikon wrote:
I respectfully disagree. Their operating costs are not decreasing. Most of it, of course, is in gasoline for the truck and chainsaw and, if they have one, a gas-powered splitter. Where is the price of gas going down? Which of their "operation expenses" is declining? And how, exactly, do you know they have the funds to live on? And what, pray tell, do you feel is their rightful standard of living? Who, exactly, are you to dictate what that standard of living should be? Their living expenses are going up just like everyone else's and they have to cover that. The people I see out trying to sell firewood are not living in fancy houses and are not driving nice, top-of-the-line trucks. They are out selling the result of their hard work to people who either cannot or will not put in that hard work and I say they have a right to charge whatever the market will bear.

As for me being "one of those who feel like you are entitled to a bigger piece of the pie just because you want to have more" you should do some research and ask a few questions before shooting your mouth off. I am retired and on a fixed income. My "piece of the pie" is fixed. Would I like to have a bigger income? You bet. It would be nice to be able to have and do some things that I cannot now afford, but I certainly do not feel like I am entitled to it. So please tell me: when was the last time you turned down a raise in pay?
I respectfully disagree. Their operating costs ar... (show quote)


Truthfully I turned down a pay increase just last month because I didn't want to t away from the funds of the organization that contracted my service.
I actually turn down several high paying projects to do free visits.
This is also from someone who exists on a fixed and limited income due to my forced retirement.
The reason why is because I know that I am well and fairly compensated for my service and I am also not the only one that is offering the same service.
From that end it frequently makes sense to eat the increase and maintain the client.
I had to edit because I realized I didn't answer your main question about what costs are decreasing.
The cost that is decreasing at least in my area is the raw materials that being the trees.
The last couple years we have had so many severe storms which has knocked down trees into yards driveways parking lots etc that people are actually hiring people to clear it out by cutting the wood.
This is a substantial savings over having to pay for the right to cut.
It's further decreasing the amount that the cutter is getting paid to clear it out.
Granted not every downed tree is going to be good for heating but the guys cutting it as firewood do not have to take that one.

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Jan 25, 2022 14:36:34   #
LestheK
 
If there's natural gas in the area get it. If not look into propane. You can buy the tank and check around for the best gas price.

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Jan 25, 2022 14:42:42   #
stanikon Loc: Deep in the Heart of Texas
 
chikid68 wrote:
Truthfully I turned down a pay increase just last month because I didn't want to t away from the funds of the organization that contracted my service.
I actually turn down several high paying projects to do free visits.
This is also from someone who exists on a fixed and limited income due to my forced retirement.
The reason why is because I know that I am well and fairly compensated for my service and I am also not the only one that is offering the same service.
From that end it frequently makes sense to eat the increase and maintain the client.
Truthfully I turned down a pay increase just last ... (show quote)


Perhaps you are in a fortunate situation that allows you to do that. Not everyone is. Can you not spare a little empathy for others who are not in that situation? Most people have struggles about which you know nothing but that does not negate the seriousness of that struggle, nor is it your prerogative to decide how they manage it.

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Jan 25, 2022 14:57:16   #
stanikon Loc: Deep in the Heart of Texas
 
chikid68 wrote:
Truthfully I turned down a pay increase just last month because I didn't want to t away from the funds of the organization that contracted my service.
I actually turn down several high paying projects to do free visits.
This is also from someone who exists on a fixed and limited income due to my forced retirement.
The reason why is because I know that I am well and fairly compensated for my service and I am also not the only one that is offering the same service.
From that end it frequently makes sense to eat the increase and maintain the client.
I had to edit because I realized I didn't answer your main question about what costs are decreasing.
The cost that is decreasing at least in my area is the raw materials that being the trees.
The last couple years we have had so many severe storms which has knocked down trees into yards driveways parking lots etc that people are actually hiring people to clear it out by cutting the wood.
This is a substantial savings over having to pay for the right to cut.
It's further decreasing the amount that the cutter is getting paid to clear it out.
Granted not every downed tree is going to be good for heating but the guys cutting it as firewood do not have to take that one.
Truthfully I turned down a pay increase just last ... (show quote)


I don't care if the trees are free. Most wood cutters/sellers harvest downed trees as cheaply as they can get them, from whatever source. Those downed trees need to be harvested within a certain period of time or they are useless. So the cutter/seller may actually get paid to remove the trees that he then sells as firewood. So what? Does that mean he should charge less than market price for his product? And who are you to decide what his labor is worth? If you want to source and harvest your own firewood, fine and dandy. But don't disparage others for getting as much as they can for what they are selling to people who cannot or will not do that.

If you paid attention in Economics 101 (I'm beginning to doubt that you did) you learned that the value of a product is only determined when the seller and the buyer agree on the price. If the wood cutter offers his product for $X and the buyer agrees to pay $X then that is the value of the product. It's not up to you to decide that charging $X is avarice.

Even if the wood cutter is paid to remove the trees and then sells them as firewood, you cannot deny that his other costs are going up. Gas, food, utilities are all increasing at an exponential rate. Those are part of his costs as well.

We could get into a much longer discussion about this but I don't think it would do any good.

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Jan 25, 2022 16:43:20   #
TonyP Loc: New Zealand
 
Here in NZ the firewood sellers cover themselves by selling it as a 'thrown' cord. Depending on the type of wood price can range from $180 to $350 a cord. Common timber like the Pinus Radiata is the cheapest but burns the fastest of course. Hardwoods are the most expensive but they do burn a LOT longer.
Then, if you buy your restock wood halfway thru winter, the timber is cut wet with no time to dry out. So smoky fires.
New homes being built today cant have an open fire. The closest you can get a permit for are the pellet fires. Not bad as far as heating goes but no 'atmosphere' and even more expensive to run.

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Jan 26, 2022 02:27:15   #
JoAnneK01 Loc: Lahaina, Hawaii
 
A few years ago we were visiting an old friend. He bought two cords of wood. It was delivered and shortly after it was unloaded we measured it. It was less than 1-1/2 cords. He called the guy he ordered it from who came out and measured. The driver of the truck was called and was asked where the rest of the wood was. The driver had dropped some of the wood at a friends home. Needless to say the driver was fired after he went and picked up the wood from his friend. My friend did receive an apology and received an extra 1/2 cord for his troubles. Some people are honest and some are not.

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Jan 26, 2022 05:09:14   #
chikid68 Loc: Tennesse USA
 
stanikon wrote:
I don't care if the trees are free. Most wood cutters/sellers harvest downed trees as cheaply as they can get them, from whatever source. Those downed trees need to be harvested within a certain period of time or they are useless. So the cutter/seller may actually get paid to remove the trees that he then sells as firewood. So what? Does that mean he should charge less than market price for his product? And who are you to decide what his labor is worth? If you want to source and harvest your own firewood, fine and dandy. But don't disparage others for getting as much as they can for what they are selling to people who cannot or will not do that.

If you paid attention in Economics 101 (I'm beginning to doubt that you did) you learned that the value of a product is only determined when the seller and the buyer agree on the price. If the wood cutter offers his product for $X and the buyer agrees to pay $X then that is the value of the product. It's not up to you to decide that charging $X is avarice.

Even if the wood cutter is paid to remove the trees and then sells them as firewood, you cannot deny that his other costs are going up. Gas, food, utilities are all increasing at an exponential rate. Those are part of his costs as well.

We could get into a much longer discussion about this but I don't think it would do any good.
I don't care if the trees are free. Most wood cut... (show quote)

This is a good way for you to admit that you are not a business person.
Cost of living does not generally factor in with a business like this.
It's not the sole means of income and they usually operate at the absolute minimum of cost.
While I am quite familiar with the established business theories I also am acutely aware that many people in the business of firewood are not therefore they don't apply the economic theory BTW are you aware that firewood is supposed to season before you burn it otherwise you have soot and creosote building up in the chimney which is the biggest cause of chimney fire

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