Ugly Hedgehog - Photography Forum
Home Active Topics Newest Pictures Search Login Register
Main Photography Discussion
Best computer
Page <<first <prev 5 of 9 next> last>>
Jan 13, 2022 23:42:22   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Larry76 wrote:
I am a retired lawyer who has built his own pc desktop computers for 25 years. My other hobby is photography (Z6ii & Z50, and shelves full of F and Z lenses) and printing museum quality inkjets (Cannon Pro 10 and Pro 1000) for artists - my wife is a world class oil portrait artist.

Comments: Surprise below!!!!!
1. all prebuilt/retail pc's have serious compromises.
2. I rebuild every 2 years, I am rebuilding 2 of 3 now, and I sell off those as I rebuild.
3. Late model components are very expensive - DDR5 memory, 10gb ethernet, Intel 12th gen CPU I9 12900F unlocked, Nvidia GTX 3080 Video Cards, 32mb G.Skill 6000mhz ram, ASUS PCIe Gen 5 motherboards, Gen 5 M2 SSD drives on a stick, etc.

Buy after all of that NEW extremely expensive stuff, and I love it, even moderately overclocked, you will not get beyond 5 - .2-3 Ghz speed.

For a great deal less money, about 50% less, you can go back 2 generations of each of them (EXCEPT the M2 SSD 2 tb drives), and process your photos and print them to your hearts content at 4.7-8.0 mhz.

Trust my opinion, I do it every day. The only item that needs "beefing" up is the power supply (min 1200 watts), and the fans which are relatively cheap (Noctua is the best).

For printing I do many tif's that are more than 100-300mb, 300-600 dpi, 16bit , or more. The processing time is less than 10 seconds.

I use 3 calibrated photography monitors (refurbished) (27-32-27) from BENQ.

I am not a gamer. After all these years, I would not use a laptop BECAUSE there are few if any interchangeable parts.

Suggestion for Valerie find someone to build one for you after doing research - know what you are doing! or buy one being replaced by an advanced user that you can observe live, and test on site, before buying.

For example, I sell my used parts on Craigslist - Pensacola/Mobile.

This is not a solicitation. Just sharing my knowledge and experience.
I am a retired lawyer who has built his own pc des... (show quote)


Extreme overclocking (typically with manual tuning) for computer hobbyists is interesting/fun, but for the average user, like the OP, for whom a computer is just a tool, replacing their system every two years and compromising reliability and stability and running at high temps is not a good recommendation. For the average user, specifying “K” series Intel CPUs (or the AMD equivalent) and using the MB’s automatic turbo/overclocking settings are probably the best compromise. Remember, there is more to system/application performance than CPU clock speed. In addition to performance, stability and reliability are the hallmarks of a well designed system.

By the same token, while there is certainly a premium for buying the latest generation of components and optimizing cost/performance (and budget considerations) may lead you to the last generation components, there’s also the consideration of buying performance for the future so that the computer you use today is still usable 8-10 years in the future, without the pain of regular migration, since applications and OS will continue to increase in performance requirements.

Reply
Jan 14, 2022 06:29:20   #
Terry in Indiana Loc: rural Indiana
 
Valerie9185 wrote:
Desktop. No Mac
Advanced/ pro user. Mostly photography
Photoshop and topaz
No more than $3000


Hi Valerie! After getting frustrated waiting on my laptop to process photos, I splurged and bought myself a Dell gaming computer from their Alienware series. After researching it extensively, many people said if you want power and speed, a gaming computer is the way to go. I cannot believe how FAST this machine is!!! When I move a photo from Lightroom to edit in Topaz Sharpen AI (or DeNoise), I can barely click on it before the preview has already loaded. Lightning speed...truly amazing!!! It was a tad over $3000 I think, but I probably overdid it trying to get the most power I could. I am very pleased!
BONUS...my grandkids think I'm a cool grandma with an Alienware gaming computer (although I've never played a computer game and doubtful I ever will...ha ha!) that has a glowing Alien icon on it. Lol!

Reply
Jan 14, 2022 09:02:03   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Maybe we could agree that the best computer is the one that you have in front of you. : )

Reply
 
 
Jan 14, 2022 09:12:34   #
nervous2 Loc: Provo, Utah
 
Valerie9185 wrote:
My 6 year old computer is getting ready to bite the dust. I religiously back it up.
Suggestion for my next purchase.?


Thanks for this post, Valerie: I have exactly the same problem and have benefitted greatly from the answers that you received.

Reply
Jan 14, 2022 09:26:56   #
Valerie9185 Loc: Weeki Wachee florida
 
You are so welcome. This group is amazing

Reply
Jan 14, 2022 09:44:13   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Maybe we could agree that the best computer is the one that you have in front of you. : )

My philosophy!
All mine for over 30 years have been off-the shelf. But being a computer geek/engineer, I did get into the guts on a few. My computers don't need to win the Daytona 500.

(But you know SOMEONE will say it's not good enough... unless it's what they have.)

Reply
Jan 14, 2022 09:54:05   #
ScottWardwell Loc: Maine
 
Valerie9185 wrote:
You are so welcome. This group is amazing


Another avenue to take. I know you have a $3000 budget. My last three computers have been off-lease Dell Precision desktop towers. Currently a T7500 with higher end dual Xeon processors, 96 gig of DDR 3 ram and internal space for 4 drives. Came with all the components needed but I swapped some of them out with my already owned parts that worked to this machine. Cost plus shipping - $525 through Ebay recyclers. When these machines were originally spec'ed and sold by Dell, they were professional engineering CAD machines. The ram upgrade was probably $3000 alone. Each CPU alone cost more than I paid for the entire machine. My prior 64 gig machine came out of a brokerage investment house and it was wired for 6 monitors (3 video cards with splitter cables).
In this time of severe shortages for new components, this should hold you for the next three years until things loosen up again.
Your requirements are also driven by the file sizes coming out of your camera. I had to upgrade systems when I went from a D200 to a D600. Then from the D600 to the D800. And lastly when I bought the D850. Each progression put it's own stresses on the system I had at the time.
Plus the preceived loss in value (Depreciation) over time is minimal with this approach. $500 or $3000?

Reply
 
 
Jan 14, 2022 11:28:51   #
Mikeg50 Loc: SE Missouri
 
That Gizmodo article on Intel processors you linked is from 2017. That’s some fairly useless advice.
An awful lot of recommendations in here to purchase graphics cards. I’m on my second computer without graphics cards. I don’t think they are needed unless you are playing games. Especially considering the current costs. Wait until the current multi-year run on them by bitcoin miners slacks off and the prices drop. There just isn’t that much to gain from them in Lightroom.
32gb RAM is plenty.
The guy wants a new computer. Give him advice on what to buy, don’t chastise him for wanting to upgrade a dinosaur machine.

Reply
Jan 14, 2022 11:54:53   #
Canisdirus
 
Mikeg50 wrote:
That Gizmodo article on Intel processors you linked is from 2017. That’s some fairly useless advice.
An awful lot of recommendations in here to purchase graphics cards. I’m on my second computer without graphics cards. I don’t think they are needed unless you are playing games. Especially considering the current costs. Wait until the current multi-year run on them by bitcoin miners slacks off and the prices drop. There just isn’t that much to gain from them in Lightroom.
32gb RAM is plenty.
The guy wants a new computer. Give him advice on what to buy, don’t chastise him for wanting to upgrade a dinosaur machine.
That Gizmodo article on Intel processors you linke... (show quote)


Lightroom needs ram..as every program does.
Lightroom also utilizes the GPU ...heavily.

You need a fast CPU, a fast GPU, and Ram...at least 16...32 is better.

You can use lightroom with an 'integrated' GPU...but you will wait...and wait...and wait.

Reply
Jan 14, 2022 12:26:24   #
Mikeg50 Loc: SE Missouri
 
My computer is 3 weeks old and I purchased it without a graphics card. In no way at all is it slow.

Reply
Jan 14, 2022 12:28:08   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Mikeg50 wrote:
My computer is 3 weeks old and I purchased it without a graphics card. In no way at all is it slow.


Reply
 
 
Jan 14, 2022 12:31:12   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Mikeg50 wrote:
My computer is 3 weeks old and I purchased it without a graphics card. In no way at all is it slow.


It seems not “slow”, because you have nothing to compare it to. If you’re using the graphics engine on the CPU, you will see a definite performance increase using a graphics card with a GPU, especially if you’re using PS, doing any stacking or sophisticated noise reduction/sharpening products like Topaz. For any sophisticated/intensive rendering task, a GPU is a HUGE advantage. I agree the pricing on graphics cards is insane at the moment, but a bit of shopping on EBay will produce any number of 4GB graphics cards in the $125-$200 range, just not the latest cards of those with >8GB of VRAM. Remember that not only does the graphics card offload the rendering from the CPU AND provide a GPU, but not having one forces the computer to share available DRAM with the CPU and graphics, compromising both functions.

Reply
Jan 14, 2022 13:16:51   #
Larry76 Loc: Alabama
 
ScottWardwell wrote:
Another avenue to take. I know you have a $3000 budget. My last three computers have been off-lease Dell Precision desktop towers. Currently a T7500 with higher end dual Xeon processors, 96 gig of DDR 3 ram and internal space for 4 drives. Came with all the components needed but I swapped some of them out with my already owned parts that worked to this machine. Cost plus shipping - $525 through Ebay recyclers. When these machines were originally spec'ed and sold by Dell, they were professional engineering CAD machines. The ram upgrade was probably $3000 alone. Each CPU alone cost more than I paid for the entire machine. My prior 64 gig machine came out of a brokerage investment house and it was wired for 6 monitors (3 video cards with splitter cables).
In this time of severe shortages for new components, this should hold you for the next three years until things loosen up again.
Your requirements are also driven by the file sizes coming out of your camera. I had to upgrade systems when I went from a D200 to a D600. Then from the D600 to the D800. And lastly when I bought the D850. Each progression put it's own stresses on the system I had at the time.
Plus the preceived loss in value (Depreciation) over time is minimal with this approach. $500 or $3000?
Another avenue to take. I know you have a $3000 b... (show quote)


Smart! Very smart!! I always use Amazon and Newegg and B&H for reviews of components. Top drawer components usually last more then 5 years. If new, Pay once use for a long time. However, buying from a user updating top drawer components is also a great way to get the best for less. Newer components, despite their advertising are rarely more than a 5-10% improvement. But inspection and review while live is the only way to go. Doesn't cost to ask!!

Reply
Jan 14, 2022 13:43:40   #
ScottWardwell Loc: Maine
 
Larry76 wrote:
Smart! Very smart!! I always use Amazon and Newegg and B&H for reviews of components. Top drawer components usually last more then 5 years. If new, Pay once use for a long time. However, buying from a user updating top drawer components is also a great way to get the best for less. Newer components, despite their advertising are rarely more than a 5-10% improvement. But inspection and review while live is the only way to go. Doesn't cost to ask!!


On my earlier 64 gig T7400, I was running a 2gb Nvidia Quadro 4000 card. My son had a friend who was getting out of the bitcoin mining and was parting out his system. Dual cards. My son bought one and I bought the beefier 4gb Gigabyte RX580 for $125. 1 DVI-D port, 1 HDMI port and 3 Display Ports I have adapted to HDMI to my 2 monitors. Amazing performance when doing higher level Photoshop work like stitiching five or more D850 files into a panoramic. I transitioned it over to the T7500 when I put that one online. My final print crop for a 72x24 presentation tops out at 450 MB.
Have the Quadro card sitting in a box being unused at the moment.

Reply
Jan 14, 2022 13:45:43   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Here’s a useful site for selecting components - they test and benchmark CPUs, Memory, video cards, etc. Not only performance, but price and performance vs price as well: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/I

Reply
Page <<first <prev 5 of 9 next> last>>
If you want to reply, then register here. Registration is free and your account is created instantly, so you can post right away.
Main Photography Discussion
UglyHedgehog.com - Forum
Copyright 2011-2024 Ugly Hedgehog, Inc.