Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

Dumb post, if you don't understand the need for bipartisan support of major legislation.... Denny, you don't seem to understand the safeguards built into our government over the years... Just take a look back to 2005 when the democrats thought that the republicans might kill the filibuster and listen to what they said, there is video out there of Biden, Schumer, and others.

“Bottom line is very simple: The ideologues in the Senate want to turn what the Founding Fathers called ‘the cooling saucer of democracy’ into the rubber stamp of dictatorship. We will not let them. They want, because they can’t get their way on every judge, to change the rules in mid-stream, to wash away 200 years of history. They want to make this country into a banana republic, where if you don’t get your way, you change the rules. Are we going to let them? It’ll be a doomsday for democracy if we do.” - Chuck Schumer

"At its core, the filibuster is not about stopping a nominee or a bill, it's about compromise and moderation. The nuclear option extinguishes the power of independents and moderates in the Senate. That's it, they're done. Moderates are important if you need to get to 60 votes to satisfy cloture; they are much less so if you only need 50 votes. Let's set the historical record straight. Never has the Senate provided for a certainty that 51 votes could put someone on the bench or pass legislation." - Joe Biden

WNYShooter Loc: WNY

He's asking the Senate to change their rules, the same rules in which he used to defend and fight for, so that he can get this vastly over-reaching & partisan bill to his desk.

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

I ask a question . What’s wrong with debate , vote majority wins ????
Every body seems to chicken to answer that question even though they have all liked it on numerous other occasion.

Every bill that has become a law has done so in a majority wins vote in house and senate!!!!

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

I have answered your question but you fail to recognize that.... Sorry Denny, but you are wrong.

Curtis_Lowe Loc: Georgia

You must not understand out government, that is what is done in the house as long as the Leader of the House agrees. In the Senate there are rules that require more broad acceptance than 50 + VP

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

I just went back reread you post . It seems you think biden and Schumer statements you quoted in bold print were correct. Strange you agree with democrats.
I disliked the filabuster then as much as I do now .

Yet somehow, people routinely get away with casting the filibuster as an essential building block of American democracy that verges on an essential virtue in human nature. All of this is completely made up, along with all of the ridiculous procedural workarounds that have sprung up around the filibuster: reconciliation, the Parliamentarian, the Byrd rule. All of it is made up and stupid. It's a tool of obstruction, but it's also cover that allows lawmakers to avoid actually voting on policy proposals. If the bill never comes up for a vote because it's been blocked using the filibuster, you don't have a record of voting against shoring up voting rights. It's not unlike the eagerness that members of Congress have shown to fork over the legislature's war powers to the Executive Branch in order to avoid having to own any of our endless military interventions abroad. It is a device abused by cowards to avoid accountability in office. If you're against the voting-rights bill, or the Build Back Better act, then vote against those bills. Don't prevent the bills ever getting a vote.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/filibuster-made-stupid-made-stupid-155700227.html

davidrb Loc: Half way there on the 45th Parallel

And if the majority decides Missouri should pay reparations for racial inequity your response will be.........................

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

I would not like it. That’s like me asking if you stopped beating you wife. Meaningless .
Every law that comes out of the government passes with simple majority.
The filabuster accomplishes nothing except obstructions . I guess you’re happy with a government that gets little accomplished !!

Oh yeah next time before replying I suggest you read a complete thread instead of just the first post ,

Yet somehow, people routinely get away with casting the filibuster as an essential building block of American democracy that verges on an essential virtue in human nature. All of this is completely made up, along with all of the ridiculous procedural workarounds that have sprung up around the filibuster: reconciliation, the Parliamentarian, the Byrd rule. All of it is made up and stupid. It's a tool of obstruction, but it's also cover that allows lawmakers to avoid actually voting on policy proposals. If the bill never comes up for a vote because it's been blocked using the filibuster, you don't have a record of voting against shoring up voting rights. It's not unlike the eagerness that members of Congress have shown to fork over the legislature's war powers to the Executive Branch in order to avoid having to own any of our endless military interventions abroad. It is a device abused by cowards to avoid accountability in office. If you're against the voting-rights bill, or the Build Back Better act, then vote against those bills. Don't prevent the bills ever getting a vote.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/filibuster-made-stupid-made-stupid-155700227.html

Maybe we would have better government if congress actuall had to put their vote instead of just mouthing off.

Alafoto Loc: Montgomery, AL

Lets throw them into the sea, instead.

Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan

Why don't we debate and vote about moving in to your house? That's democratic. What's wrong with that if this is pure democracy? Please answer.

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

To chicken to make a legitimate comment on the filabuster.

Watash

Watch out! I said the same thing not long ago and got pounded on here!

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

First off Denny, Senators were not elected by the general public in our original constitution. The framers set up the Senate to represent, protect, and preserve states interests and power, but of course progressivism changed that to be more democratic with the 17th amendment that has morphed the Senate into a more Washington DC centric organ, rarely do Senators actually vote the will of the people of their states but seemingly concern themselves with the goals of the national party, the lobbyists, the globalist, and Oligarchs. When a Senator does represent the will of the folks back home they face the wrath of extremists as we have recently seen with Senators Manchin and Sinema.

At any rate Denny, the filibuster is designed to put the brakes onto a run away party agenda just as we are currently seeing with both the voting and BBB bills. I think that most republicans and democrats have had moments when they wished the filibuster did not exist, when we wanted to see what we considered to be important legislation blocked by the opposing party, but we have also been thankful for the times that the filibuster prohibited the opposing party from enacting legislation that we felt would be damaging to our country. When the filibuster is working as intended it forces bipartisan compromise and it is true that at this moment in time the parties are so divided that there seems to be no efforts at compromise, but we shouldn't let this moment in history disrupt a structure in our government that has actually served us well. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water Denny.

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

No you didn’t . You whined about the hypocrisy of Biden but never answered the question : what’s wrong with debate, vote, majority wins?

After all that’s what the founders envisioned

AND you wrong as usual , the original intent of a filabuster was to block civil rights action . racist Senator Byrd in 1964.

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

But those days are long long gone the filibuster is now used for no reason but obstruction and you know it. Let’s go back to what the founding.