bamfordr Loc: Campbell CA

I’m at a similar point with my 7D - the original version- way beyond its expected shutter count life. Like a furnace or a roof, it will only fail when it’s needed. Until we take another trip I won’t really “need” it so I can walk on, enjoying the familiarity of it, not considering replacing something that still works. When its time is up, I will go mirrorless. Hopefully I will have enough time to learn to use the new camera before it’s needed.

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PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA

Your lenses will work with the adapter (sold separately).

If you can wait, I would want a mirrorless APS-C, R mount camera when they finally announce one. It would still need an adapter for all EF and EF-S lenses. On a full frame you lose many pixels when an EF-S is mounted in crop mode. You might consider the 90D which they claim is the successor to both the 80D and 7D MK II. Bit it isn't quite like either. Of course, another 7D MK II would require the least learning curve.

imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida

YES, ......IF we live long enough
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Wrong chart. Thaz for setting IQ levels.

Have you got one related to cropping ?

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

Someone got the manual for you. Now someone has to explain in - s l o w - a n d - e a s y - w o r d s - on how to read it?

Try the 1.6 crop column, the impact of attaching an EF-S lens ...

k2edm Loc: FN32AD

the mirrorless requires a lens adapter to go from the 5 IV camera lenses, I assume the same from the II. i stuck with the 5 IV. (if it works, don't fix it) Ed

boomboom Loc: Stow, Ohio

Thanks for your food for thought. The only reason I was thinking of a back-up is if mine should go bad and there would be no 7d MK II available. Seems like a pretty lame idea, right? Your reasoning is very sound and I most likely will take your advice and just stick with mine until if and when it crashes. Thanks again for your honest opinion.

boomboom Loc: Stow, Ohio

I appreciate your comments. You sound like you are in the same frame of mind as I am. I love my 7d MK II and would have no problem purchasing another one if and when this one goes belly up. Maybe I'm trying to think too far into the future. I think maybe I will just stick with the one I have and make a decision when I need to. Thanks for your honest opinion.

boomboom Loc: Stow, Ohio

That was my thoughts I guess when I thought of purchasing a second 7D Mk II. The learning curve would be easy. I'm 78 years old and am not fond of too much change. Anyway, after reading the responses, I may be overthinking this idea. I think I may just hang onto what I have and reevaluate if and when my original crashes. Thanks for your ideas and for you encouragement.

amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA

There are pluses and minuses to mirrorless cameras and DSLRs.

You have several mirrorless options that would let you use much of what you already have.

As others have replied, you can adapt EF and EF-S lenses for use on Canon and Sony mirrorless cameras.

Canon M-series cameras (APS-C)

Canon's M-series mirrorless have an APS-C sensor, the same format as your 7DII. So lenses on the M-series will give the same angle of view as they do on your 7DII. The build and AF system of your 7DII is better than any of the M-system, though. Some of the most recent M-series have features like "face detect" and "eye detect" that your 7DII doesn't have. Many of the M-series are 24MP, a little higher resolution than your 7DII (20MP). The M6 Mark II has a 32.5MP sensor (similar to 90D DSLR). The M-series all use small batteries and get far fewer shots per charge than your 7DII does. Canon will probably be phasing out the M-series in the not-to0-distant future. They have neglected it and treated the M-series like an ugly step-child for 8 or 9 years now... have only ever created as few as possible EF-M lenses native to the camera. Some of those lenses are good or even very good. But they are few, lightly built and all use STM focus drive, which just isn't as fast as Canon's USM focus drive. M-series and their lenses can be neat little cameras for travel or street photography and similar... but they are not great for action photography, wildlife, sports. Canon M-series and their lenses are relatively affordable. There are a lot of manual focus/manual aperture 3rd party lenses, but relatively few 3rd party AF lenses made for use on Canon M-series. I guess since Canon themselves were so neglectful toward their own mirrorless M system, 3rd party manufacturers decided not to risk a lot of R&D into lenses for the system either.

Current Canon M-series cameras: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/products/Mirrorless-System-Cameras/ci/16158/N/4288586281?sort=PRICE_LOW_TO_HIGH&filters=fct_bodies-kits_4023%3Abody-only%2Cfct_brand_name%3Acanon%2Cfct_sensor-size_3087%3Aaps-c (Note: There also is a less expensive M200, but it is only offered with a kit lens, has no hot shoe and no viewfinder. While the M6 Mark II doesn't have a built-in viewfinder, an accessory EVF is available that attaches via the flash hot shoe.)

Current Canon M-series lenses: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/products/Mirrorless-Camera-Lenses/ci/17912/N/4196380428?sort=PRICE_LOW_TO_HIGH&filters=fct_brand_name%3Acanon%2Cfct_lens-mount_3442%3Acanon-ef-m

Canon EF/EF-S to EF-M adapters: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/products/Lens-Adapters/ci/3420/N/4077634486?filters=fct_accelerator-booster-turbo-hidden_6898%3Ano%2Cfct_camera-body-mount_1595%3Acanon-eos-m%2Cfct_lens-mount_1596%3Acanon-ef-eos

Canon R-series cameras (full frame)

Canon's R-series mirrorless are their latest and greatest. The system is only about 3 years old now. They've put a lot of effort and some very neat features into the latest cameras, as well as rapidly developed a reasonably comprehensive selection of lenses for them, many of which are excellent and innovative. To date all the R-series cameras use full frame sensors. While they can be fitted and used, any "crop only" lenses (Cnaon EF-S or third party) you might have now will only partially cover the larger image sensor in these cameras. Otherwise, EF and EF-S lenses will work fine via an adapter. There is little to no loss of performance and optical quality may be better than ever with those lenses (essentially mirrorless cameras don't require lens calibration in the same what the DSLRs do). Canon R-series cameras and lenses use a new RF-mount that's completely incompatible with M-series lenses (not that there are many). So far there are not APS-C R-series cameras or lenses. However it's hard to imagine that Canon won't eventually want to consolidate manufacturing under the R-system alone. They have already phased out some of the DSLRs and their lenses in favor of the R-system, so I suspect it's only a matter of time until they also phase out the M-series. I imagine they'll continue to offer M-series until they introduce an APS-C R-series camera and a couple lenses especially for it. Generally speaking, R-series cameras and lenses are expensive. While the two older models sell for less, the 3 most current and capable R-series cameras sell for $2500, $3900 and $6000. While there are rumors of a lot in development, so far there are very few 3rd party lenses with AF for the RF-mount cameras. There are some manual focus/manual aperture 3rd party lenses.

Current Canon R-series cameras: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/products/Mirrorless-System-Cameras/ci/16158/N/4288586281?sort=PRICE_LOW_TO_HIGH&filters=fct_bodies-kits_4023%3Abody-only%2Cfct_brand_name%3Acanon%2Cfct_sensor-size_3087%3Afull-frame

Current RF-mount lenses with AF: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/products/Mirrorless-Camera-Lenses/ci/17912/N/4196380428?sort=PRICE_LOW_TO_HIGH&filters=fct_a_focus-type_5738%3Aautofocus%2Cfct_lens-mount_3442%3Acanon-rf

Canon EF/EF-S to RF adapters: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/products/Lens-Adapters/ci/3420/N/4077634486?filters=fct_accelerator-booster-turbo-hidden_6898%3Ano%2Cfct_camera-body-mount_1595%3Acanon-eos-rf%2Cfct_lens-mount_1596%3Acanon-ef-eos Note: To have full lens functionality, adapter must have electronic contacts. Some inexpensive ones don't.

Sony e-mount cameras (APS-C and full frame)

Canon EF and EF-S lenses also can be adapted for use on Sony e-mount mirrorless cameras. With the right type of adapter, both autofocus and images stabilization (where lenses have it) will work, too. I don't have personal experience with this, but have been told that AF and IS performance isn't quite as good on Sony cameras, as it is on Canon for which the lenses were made. Image quality should be fine, though. Sony makes both APS-C and full frame format mirrorless e-mount cameras. Their a6000-series are the crop sensor, while the rest of the a-series cameras are full frame.

The Sony e-mount system has been around for a while now... longer than the Canon M-series and certainly much longer than the R-series. As a result, they've worked out a lot of the kinks and really led the way into mirrorless. Canon and Nikon are playing catch up with Sony. As a result of the years they've put into it, the Sony system is pretty well developed, with greater selection of lenses than either Canon or Nikon. More than other camera makers, too. Sony is very price competitive with their cameras. They can be pretty affordable. However, not always but on the whole Sony's e-mount lenses tend to be more expensive than other manufacturers' similar models. Sony has been "open" about their tech and as a result there are a lot of 3rd party lenses fully compatible with their cameras. Of course, the price and availability of lenses might not matter much if you are planning to keep using what you have via adapters. A popular Canon EF to Sony e-mount adapter is Sigma's MC-11. Again, I don't use Sony gear, so can't say for certain, but there may be some loss of AF and/or IS performance adapting Canon lenses for use on them. So research carefully, if you consider them.

Current Sony e-mount cameras: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/products/Mirrorless-System-Cameras/ci/16158/N/4288586281?sort=PRICE_LOW_TO_HIGH&filters=fct_bodies-kits_4023%3Abody-only%2Cfct_brand_name%3Asony%2Cfct_sensor-size_3087%3Aaps-c%7Cfull-frame (Note: Sony ZV-E10 is primarily an APS-C format vlogger camera without a viewfinder.)

Current Sony e-mount lenses with AF: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/products/Mirrorless-Camera-Lenses/ci/17912/N/4196380428?sort=PRICE_LOW_TO_HIGH&filters=fct_a_focus-type_5738%3Aautofocus%2Cfct_lens-mount_3442%3Asony-e-mount

Sigma MC-11 EF lens to Sony e-mount adapter: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1234034-REG/sigma_89e965_mc_11_mount_adapter_for.html

EDIT: I've heard that Sony has temporarily suspended manufacture of the a6000-series cameras due to the worldwide chip shortage. How long that's going to last, I don't know.

There are several other manufacturers of mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras... but as far as I know Canon EF and EF-S lenses cannot be fully used on them via adapters.

boomboom Loc: Stow, Ohio

I thank you so much for all this good information. You went beyond the call of duty to explain all this to a not so professional amateur. It seems inevitable that mirrorless is the future with Canon. I'm in love with my 7D MK II and hate to see the day I have to give it up. Being up in age, I may not have to worry about that day. My concern is the someday my existing camera will go belly up and I won't have a choice but to change to mirrorless. I guess that's what started my whole thread and the idea that maybe I should pick up a excellent used 7D MK II for that day. I have had so many people on this Forum with good advice and it has made me do a lot of thinking as to what I should do next. Thanks again for all your excellent knowledge.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

ALL EF/EFs lenses regardless of EF DSLR you use will work on an RF mount camera 100% with the appropriate adapter.
Pretty awesome.
Then add to that the Canon FD/FL/R lenses will work manually (They are manual focus lenses any way) with the FD adapter (They are all the same mount).
Now you have a huge variety of Canon lenses to choose from for your RF mount camera.

boomboom Loc: Stow, Ohio

Thanks so much for your input.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

EF/EFs lenses work better on Canon RF cameras due to the Control ring adapter for them.
Canon is unique in this backward compatibility by actually upgrading all their EF/EFs lenses.