Ugly Hedgehog - Photography Forum
Home Active Topics Newest Pictures Search Login Register
Main Photography Discussion
What Canon actually said about DSLR production.
Page <prev 2 of 5 next> last>>
Jan 5, 2022 13:03:13   #
catchlight.. Loc: Wisconsin USA- Halden Norway
 
Interesting to read the impending doom perspectives. A bit biased from a mirror-less viewpoint I sense, but the end its most likely all true.

As a point, I do own and use a 1DX MK3 and MK2 for my work, and will stay with what I have due to my lens inventory and great performance. I appreciate Canon's software and firmware updates that continue to fine tune both, with the latest just last month... that may be a clue to counter the possible deceptions.

In the end a camera is a just tool with the image the result. Both mirror-less and dlsr's use a shutter, so the only real gain may be live view through the viewfinder with trade offs in speed and action accuracy.
Mirror-less sensors are no different than dlsr, so the image will be no different when comparing the "R's" to Canon's current flagship. Weight has equalized now so that point is no longer important.

Expecting a superior image from a mirror-less camera purchase will be a big disappointment for some.
If I could have anything, I would wish for a dlsr with live view though the viewfinder, and have an additional leaf shutter, plus be large format and shoot 30 fps in total darkness for under 6K... I do remember vinyl, 8- track, cassettes, VHS, Beta, film, and B&W TV's.. I'm betting mirror-less will be replaced as well, just a matter of time.

Reply
Jan 5, 2022 13:17:59   #
tgreenhaw
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
So, your investments in EF (even EF-S) lenses seamlessly migrate to an EOS mirrorless camera with the applicable EF adapter.


Great point. My best wide angle lens for video on my Rp is an EF-S 10-18 lens I bought years ago before I went full frame.

Reply
Jan 5, 2022 13:19:51   #
brentrh Loc: Deltona, FL
 
reminds me about debate over film or digital. SLRs are going away just as film did. These technologies are now in the hand of purist. SLRs will always take wonderful images you would never say should have used my mirrorless for this one.

Reply
 
 
Jan 5, 2022 14:07:58   #
hjkarten Loc: San Diego, California
 
What are the major benefits to the use of DSLR cameras that are lacking in Mirrorless cameras?
Conversely, what are the benefits to Mirrorless cameras that are not available in DSLRs?

Reply
Jan 5, 2022 14:09:01   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
If you can't feel that an image came from a mirrorless camera, it probably didn't.

Reply
Jan 5, 2022 14:20:13   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
If Tony, or his wife, told me the time, I'd hope to have an accurate watch to check for myself.
--Bob
amfoto1 wrote:
A Tony Northrup click-bait video on YouTube entitled "Canon KILLED the DSLR. Big mistake!" (December 30, 2021) and an article at Canon Rumors website entitled "Canon exec confirms that the EOS-1D X Mark III is Canon’s last DSLR" (December 28, 2021) have cause a lot of confusion and reaction here on UHH and elsewhere online.

Northrup YouTube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZ7Mv39iQNc

Canon Rumors article: https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-exec-confirms-that-the-eos-1d-x-mark-iii-is-canons-last-dslr/

Both Northrup and Canon Rumors are incorrect (or maybe just fishin' for clicks). Or maybe they just didn't read the entire interview.

A Canon Watch website headline is much more accurate: "Canon EOS-1D X Mark III Company’s Last Flagship DSLR, Exec Says" (December 29, 2021).

Canon Watch article: https://www.canonwatch.com/canon-eos-1d-x-mark-iii-companys-last-flagship-dslr-exec-says/

Read the translated interview for yourself to see the info they're omitting to give the wrong impression.

What was said is simply that the 1DX Mark III model will be the last of the 1D-series, which have been Canon's premium line of DSLRs for 20+ years. They will not be developing a 1DX Mark IV. But the Canon exes also doesn't say they've stopped production of 1DX Mark III or predict exactly when it will be discontinued. Only that going forward from now there won't be another DSLR developed to replace that particular model.

Canon CEO Fujio Mitarai, "Canon will end the development and production of the flagship model of the digital SLR cameras a few years from now..."

Canon's mirrorless R3 that was just introduced actually represents an upgrade from the 1DX Mark III DSLR in almost every way. About the only place it's not superior is shots per battery charge and the R3 doesn't have illuminated buttons. By every other measure.... resolution, frame rate, AF tracking, IBIS, size, weight, etc., etc.... the R3 is the better camera. And it costs $500 less! A pro shooter such as might use these top-of-the-line cameras would have to be hard core committed to DSLR tech to stick with the 1DXIII instead of making the switch the mirrorless R3! https://cameradecision.com/compare/Canon-EOS-R3-vs-Canon-EOS-1D-X-Mark-III (Note: One item is incorrect at this link. Yes, the 1DXIII can autofocus lens/TC combos with effective f/8. But while it says "none", actually the R3 can too. In fact, it can AF combos with f/11 and even f/16 effective and can AF in much lower lighting conditions than the 1DXIII. Something else that's misleading is the 1DXIII frame rate. It's listed as 20 fps, but that's only in Live View, which no sports shooter is likely to use and is anomalous to the R3's "electronic shutter" where the R3 shoots at 30 fps. When using the viewfinder and mechanical shutter, 1DXIII shoots at up to 16 fps. Yes, this is faster than the R3's 12 fps with its mechanical shutter. But both the R3's mechanical and electronic shutters use the viewfinder. And with the R3's new BSI sensor, rolling shutter doesn't prevent sports photographers from freely using the electronic shutter. So in real world use the R3 has much faster frame rate.)

Mitarai explained, “It is natural that mirrorless cameras will become the mainstream of digital cameras… The market needs are acceleratingly shifting to mirrorless cameras. In line with this, we are steadily shifting manufacturing”.

But, Mitarai also said, "Demand for beginner and intermediate SLR cameras is strong overseas, so we plan to continue development and production for the time being." While he wasn't specific in that statement, we can assume this means the APS-C format Rebel/xxxD/xxxxD/Kiss models and 90D, and possibly the full frame 6D-series and perhaps the 5D-series as well. Also, what does "overseas" mean? Assuming he's speaking from Japan, "overseas" is pretty much the rest of the world!

There was no comment one way or the other about the M-series: Canon's APS-C mirrorless system with it's unique EF-M lens mount and limited lens selection. Many suspect Canon will eventually come out with an APS-C format R-series or two, marking a start phasing out the M-series and consolidating all their mirrorless R&D and production under the RF lens mount. That just makes sense from a manufacturing stand-point.

Tony Northrup made some good points about the camera industry in general and even went into some reasons DSLRs remain a very viable option or even the better choice for many people. But Northrup greatly distorted what was said by Canon's CEO. His video, the headline at Canon Rumors website and other YouTubers repeating those statements have confused a lot of people.
A Tony Northrup click-bait video on YouTube entitl... (show quote)

Reply
Jan 5, 2022 14:33:31   #
Real Nikon Lover Loc: Simi Valley, CA
 
It's only a problem for repair parts. They are sure to have a stockpile of shutters and such to support repairs for "X" years. Whatever inventory they have will undoubtedly be sold off in lot sales. Look at vehicles? Do you really want to go out and buy a new car with a distributor, points and condensor and expect it to run as efficient as newer electronic fuel efficient or electric vehicles? Gotta move with the times or adapt to the crash because we didnt move with them.

Reply
 
 
Jan 5, 2022 16:08:33   #
OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919
 
Canisdirus wrote:
It's amazing that folks believe what they are told by CEO's who are protecting their companies assets and momentum.
This is pure market speak folks...as usual.

Canon is DONE with DSLR's...done.



Reply
Jan 5, 2022 16:16:58   #
OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919
 
You mirrorless folks will have to deal with focus problems if your camera is not new and in perfect condition. I bought a Sony mirrorless used which was off on the focus through the pixelated panel and viewer and had to buy another---thinking that sending to Sony for a repair would be too expensive. With a DSLR---you simply focus in manual as a backup. With mirrorless------WHAT YOU SEE IS NOT NECESSARILY WHAT YOU SEE. (And that is not a Yogi Berra quote.)---have fun with your new rage toys.----ew

Reply
Jan 5, 2022 16:49:33   #
MountainDave
 
hjkarten wrote:
What are the major benefits to the use of DSLR cameras that are lacking in Mirrorless cameras?
Conversely, what are the benefits to Mirrorless cameras that are not available in DSLRs?


I moved from a 5D IV to a R5 4 months ago. Briefly, here's what I have found. The dynamic range is noticeably better. This isn't really important to me but is a big deal for some. The flexibility for the various controls is a big plus. Customize to what you find easiest for your style and you won't miss shots while you are fiddling with settings. I can make a lot more adjustments without going to quick control. The viewfinder seems bigger and brighter and can be customized for the features you find useful while taking shots. The extra mega pixels come in handy when you have to crop a lot. I shoot a lot of small birds and this is noticeable. For most shooting there wouldn't be much benefit. The R5 is about 5 ounces lighter though if you are using an adapter, it's about the same as the 5D. In camera stabilization helps my non stabilized lenses. By far the biggest improvement is the AF and tracking ability. If you shoot moving subjects, the AF will make you feel like you're cheating vs. the 5D IV. The eye detect is very precise. I get a lot more keepers. This could be important for those who like to use big apertures where getting precise focus is sometimes difficult. Is image quality better? Little, if any. But I get a lot more precisely focused images that certainly look better. For people who shoot in studios or mainly do landscapes, especially with a tripod, it's probably not worth switching. Hope this helps.

Reply
Jan 5, 2022 16:57:33   #
OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919
 
MountainDave wrote:
I moved from a 5D IV to a R5 4 months ago. Briefly, here's what I have found. The dynamic range is noticeably better. This isn't really important to me but is a big deal for some. The flexibility for the various controls is a big plus. Customize to what you find easiest for your style and you won't miss shots while you are fiddling with settings. I can make a lot more adjustments without going to quick control. The viewfinder seems bigger and brighter and can be customized for the features you find useful while taking shots. The extra mega pixels come in handy when you have to crop a lot. I shoot a lot of small birds and this is noticeable. For most shooting there wouldn't be much benefit. The R5 is about 5 ounces lighter though if you are using an adapter, it's about the same as the 5D. In camera stabilization helps my non stabilized lenses. By far the biggest improvement is the AF and tracking ability. If you shoot moving subjects, the AF will make you feel like you're cheating vs. the 5D IV. The eye detect is very precise. I get a lot more keepers. This could be important for those who like to use big apertures where getting precise focus is sometimes difficult. Is image quality better? Little, if any. But I get a lot more precisely focused images that certainly look better. For people who shoot in studios or mainly do landscapes, especially with a tripod, it's probably not worth switching. Hope this helps.
I moved from a 5D IV to a R5 4 months ago. Briefly... (show quote)


The dynamic range and color rendering is the sensor--not the facts of mirror focus.---ew

Reply
 
 
Jan 5, 2022 18:28:14   #
rook2c4 Loc: Philadelphia, PA USA
 
mvetrano2 wrote:
Not producing any newer DSLRs is unfortunate for those of us who use them.


Just because I have a particular camera model is no longer in production, I don't throw it out. I use it until it no longer works. Only then do I decide what to get next, depending on what's available at the time.

Reply
Jan 5, 2022 18:39:58   #
OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919
 
rook2c4 wrote:
Just because I have a particular camera model is no longer in production, I don't throw it out. I use it until it no longer works. Only then do I decide what to get next, depending on what's available at the time.


Once the technology of digital sensors reached an acceptable quality----why should anybody stop using their cameras. And why should a camera stop working unless damaged? That is only because cameras are electronic computers and subject failure at a high price. We are certainly going backwards in photography? It is just a tool---not a fashion statement. And digital sensors reached an acceptable quality a decade ago. And then only a bunch of extra functions and add ons to make newer models. And, an ever flowing stream of lenses. Two maybe three lenses should cover the range of hand held digital camera photography.-----

Reply
Jan 5, 2022 19:32:06   #
ronpier Loc: Poland Ohio
 
mvetrano2 wrote:
Not at this time, but if necessary, I don't want to have to switch to mirrorless and have to purchase all new lenses. I currently have 3 DSLRs and 17 lenses. It would be a nightmare if I had to replace all that.


Rest assured that no one will make you give up your DSLRS. Like my Nikons they will last our lifetime and probably longer. And the used market will be thriving.

Reply
Jan 5, 2022 19:50:32   #
OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919
 
ronpier wrote:
Rest assured that no one will make you give up your DSLRS. Like my Nikons they will last our lifetime and probably longer. And the used market will be thriving.


A good example is the discontinued Sigma SD1Merrill--46mpixel FoveonX3 sensor. After it was discontinued the used price has gone up. Recently one was used offered at a price as high as the original "street-price" new. Panned by the trend setter critics at Dphoto-(not enough "whiz-bang" features)-it never attracted the market of the casual snap-shooter, but only those who understood the principle of the stacked sensor rather than the Bayer for color trueness and maximum data for post processing. A camera for serious shooters with raw files. So--that might also happen to other DSLRs----if they go out of production---rise in value with those with serious intent?-----ew

Reply
Page <prev 2 of 5 next> last>>
If you want to reply, then register here. Registration is free and your account is created instantly, so you can post right away.
Main Photography Discussion
UglyHedgehog.com - Forum
Copyright 2011-2024 Ugly Hedgehog, Inc.