Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA

No, you do it in the typical narcissist way. You bang your chest touting your perceived superiority and claim you’re the only one that’s right. But then you never back your words up with anything tangible. It’s a pattern. Like this thread. Everybody else was saying what works for them. Maybe asking questions about certain finer points of technique and you pop in with “everybody is wrong, nobody should use BBF and some say I’ll make I video to prove you all wrong”. The same techniques don’t work the same for everybody. Your experience isn’t the same as anybody else. I keep hearing of your greatness, ( from only you), and as far as I can tell your greatest accomplishment is putting glasses on a dog.

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

BTW - the EOS 1v was programmable in the 2000 release of Canon's final professional film camera. This pushes back the date when the dog didn't bark on dpreview from 2007 ish to at least 2000. I have this model and have the BBF programmed, so I speak from personal experience. The fact that I never spoke about this configuration until Dec 2021 hopefully won't be construed, incorrectly, as no one was using BBF on film cameras until 2021 based on some individual's limited survey of internet comments ...

Speaking of dogs that didn't bark, can anyone name any camera model and the page number where the term "back button focus" is mentioned?

Any camera?
Any model?
Any brand?

FYI - this photography 'slang' is not an actual function of any camera (nor brand). That's why it's not documented by that name in any manual. Even the procedure isn't specifically documented, just the generic feature of reassigning camera functions to different camera buttons. Using google to search for modern slang terms on historical websites is a rather limited and problematic and naïve method to demonstrate a point of argument.

wide2tele Loc: Australia

Yeah, you can see the mods don't just mod, they take part in the action! lol
I'm really bored with dealing with it.


I speak from experience. I spent a decade traveling between New York and Paris working with some of the best people in the industry. I know what the masses of pros were doing and saying. I don't google stuff. I googled to come up with the 2007-2008 timeframe. From experience, I knew there was a point in time BBF was sold to the public via the internet, I needed to find the point. That's all I needed google for.


No it doesn't. Every feature of a camera will be used by someone. If you said you used subject based exposure modes back in 2000, that doesn't mean the rest of the world was not using Aperture or Shutter priority as the vastly dominant exposure mode.

Like I said, rather than argue, rather than throw insults in my direction, why not possibly learn for yourself why there is this massive void in time from when BBF was available on cameras to when it was actually used?
You will find any autofocus discussion and tuition from before the 2007-2008 period did not concentrate or in 99.9% of cases, even mention BBF. Could it possibly be because ALL of the world's photographers and not just myself thought it was no good? Could it be that people looking for website clicks came up with BBF in 2007-2008 and sold the technique to the world just like conspiracy theorists sold the Covid conspiracies to the world?

There is one thing in common between 2007-2008 and 2020. Both periods require people to have little knowledge with no ability to form their own accurate conclusions. To be ignorant of anyone attempting to make them see beyond their own beliefs.

Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb

I don't use the rear button and am happy my way. We all do it the way we like. I have a friend that was taking bad shots, he used rear focus and complained. I started to see why I suddenly realized he set the rear focus and slammed the shutter to take the picture. I pointed it bout and fixed his problem. What I am trying to say is in my case I squeezed 1/2 way and then finalized the move to take a picture. He bu setting the sensor in the rear did not realized the final squeeze on the shutter button was a quick slam or jerk and in doing that jerked the camera as the shot went off. Still uses back button but is aware of the trigger squeeze., and that's my point --DON'T jerk the camera.

frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.

Canon was the first, by there own admission, right or wrong, in 1989, introduced a feature, called back button autofocus. It was done at professional sports photographers request, so it seems Paul knows his stuff as a Canon shooter. I also shoot with Canon, and Nikon.

You can read all about it on canons site here

https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/learn/education/topics/article/2019/february/back-button-autofocus-explained/back-button-autofocus-explained


While we are talking about BBF (slang for back button autofocus) did you know you can have two different button set ups, l one for single point, and one for dynamic, and you can switch between them at will.

Read about it here

https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/learn/education/topics/article/2019/february/back-button-autofocus-explained/back-button-autofocus-explained

wide2tele Loc: Australia

Not even worth it...lol

SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA

You mean like the way you’re not able to see beyond your own beliefs. The fact that you referenced “COVID conspiracies” says a mouthful. Your conjecture that BBF conspiracy to get website clicks is so ridiculous as to be hilarious. More likely you won’t find references because the name “back button focus” didn’t come into vogue yet. People have been using that feature for much longer. It IS a feature that was added at the request of professional photographers.

frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.

You did not use quote. I assume you were replying to me. If so, read it, your will learn something.

boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander

As an old fart I was trained to squeeze the shutter (like the trigger on a rifle)Very slowky. So the 1/2 press shutter, just never works to focus propperly. Therefore I all ways use BBF with 1/2 press off

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

The slow squeeze is precisely what the 1/2 press for AF is all about.

boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander

Maybe it's just me. but I still find it clumsy.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

Control of motor reflexes like breathing and then timing between heart beats.

DanCulleton

What’s the problem with half-pressing the shutter release button, achieving desired focus point, then following through to release the shutter? Smooth, simple, fast. Don’t understand the attraction of BBF or FFB.

frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.

Some people have a hard time holding their finger still at half way, like me. I'm grateful for BBF, because of that. Maybe you don't need it. That's ok, but understand WHY some people need it, and some like it for all the advantages it gives. I not understand the advantages after trying it to get more keepers.

Try focusing and recomposing with half shutter press. I know, you can move the focus point, but it can take longer, and I can't, I can't hold still with my shaky finger.