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Dec 17, 2021 23:31:57   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
61LongLegs wrote:
I’m in the market for a new camera. I’ve mastered my Nikon D5100 and take great photos but would like to upgrade. I’ve had it for just over 11 yrs. I’d really like to have the Nikon d850 but it’s so pricey. I’ve also looked into the d750, z50, etc.

I mainly shoot candid, my children, their sports, mini shoots and just getting into using backdrops.

What’s the best camera to look into.

I’m not a fan of the battery life of Nikon z50 and I’m told it’s not the greatest for sports? Is this true?

Thanks
I’m in the market for a new camera. I’ve mastered ... (show quote)


You just missed a big refurbished sale from NikonUSA last weekend offering prices about $600 below the regular retail amount for the D850. Another option to consider might be a D500 as already suggested. It is a DX near-twin to the D850 that offers about 95% of what the D850 can do. Despite its reputation, the D500 is an extremely fine all-around camera that will do great at all of the genres you have listed. It will cost about half what a D850 will and will do fine with all of your current lenses. And if you do decide to get a D850 down the road, your learning curve will be exactly zero.

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Dec 18, 2021 06:22:08   #
whatdat Loc: Del Valle, Tx.
 
FWIW. I have the d5500; very good camera. Decided I wanted to move up a little, but stay with a crop DSLR. Thought I wanted a d500 (excellent camera). But really stretching the budget. Started comparing it to the d7500. Same sensor. At a little over half the price, I chose the d7500 & have been very satisfied with it. Plus it has built in flash.

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Dec 18, 2021 06:26:24   #
ELNikkor
 
My D5100 is still shooting awesome photos, but 4 years ago, I also wanted to upgrade. My requirements narrow the field considerably, as I insist on built in flash, (hence, no D850 or D500!), and a moveable screen. I had many vintage FX lenses, so I bought the D750 and have no regrets. If you want to keep costs to a minimum, and don't have any FX lenses, set your own "must have" features, and check out what meets them. You can always still use that D5100 as long as it hangs in there!

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Dec 18, 2021 07:13:39   #
CO
 
The D3XXX and D5XXX series Nikons have a pentamirror viewfinder. If you go with a D7XXX, D500, or full frame (FX) DSLR you get a superior pentaprism viewfinder. The glass prism inside gives a larger, slightly brighter view through the viewfinder. It really helps with composition. I have a D7500, two D500's and a D750. The D750 is an excellent camera but you would probably not use DX lenses (although you can) you have now.

Pentaprism viewfinder left, Pentamirror viewfinder right (Both are DX cameras)
Pentaprism viewfinder left, Pentamirror viewfinder...

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Dec 18, 2021 07:28:29   #
autry Loc: Ashland, VA. - Center of The Universe
 
KEH has a full frame D 810 for $1,300.00. I have 2ea. D 810's & a 7100. Luv my 810's..

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Dec 18, 2021 08:29:44   #
In-lightened Loc: Kansas City
 
amfoto1 wrote:
D850 and D750 are both full frame cameras. To shoot sports with full frame generally requires longer focal length lenses, which are necessarily bigger, heavier and typically a lot more expensive.

If you want to avoid that, stick with APS-C cameras like your D5100 (16MP, 11-point AF, 4 fps).

The very best upgrade that keeps you shooting Nikon DSLRs would be the D500 (21MP, 153-point AF, 10 fps).

A close second place would be the D7200, which has been discontinued and is now only avail. used. (24MP, 51-point AF, 6 fps).

I'd rank the current D7500 in third place, because in some ways it's an upgrade from D7200, but in other ways it's a downgrade (21MP, 51-point AF, 8 fps).

The Z50 probably has better battery life than you've heard (standardized CIPA tests require cameras with built-in flashes use them for half the test shots, which heavily drains the battery). Still, as mirrorless cameras go the Z50 is just an early attempt from Nikon and is actually getting a little dated. If you want to stick with Nikon, wait to make the switch to mirrorless. I suggest you "make do" with one of the three Nikon DSLRs for the time being. All three of them would be very solid upgrades from your current camera, can use any and all lenses you already have (some older 3rd party lenses may not work). But eventually you will probably want to move to a mirrorless system, and no doubt Nikon will be introducing new and better ones in the future. The upcoming Z9 sounds like one heck of a camera, but isn't what you're looking for by any means.

All these cameras can handle everything else you say you shoot... Sports is among the most challenging. It demands highly capable AF systems (and photographers who know how to use them). Faster frame rates are "nice"... but not as important as AF speed of acquisition and ability to track movement. Often with sports it's also necessary to use a faster shutter speed, which means increasing ISO and these newer cameras are no doubt better at that, too, than your current camera.

Here's a comparison of D5100 vs D7200:

https://cameradecision.com/compare/Nikon-D7200-vs-Nikon-D5100

And here's a comparison of D500 vs D7500:

https://cameradecision.com/compare/Nikon-D7500-vs-Nikon-D500

Those comparisons can be changed if you wish. And they just summarize key differences. You should search for more detailed reviews of any model you want to consider.

Just for example, I prefer to use a battery grip on my cameras, both to double the battery capacity and for the vertical grip and controls it provides. The D500 and D7200 both can be fitted with a grip. The D7500 cannot. For some reason Nikon chose to design it without that as an option.

Another example: "Flicker Reduction" is a feature in the D7500 and D500, but not fully implemented in the older D7200. If you anticipate shooting sports under the lights, this may be important. This is a feature that greatly reduces exposure problems that occur when shooting "under the lights". Some types of lighting (e.g., fluorescent) rapidly cycle on and off. It's so fast our eyes don't see it. But the short duration of our camera's shutters can occur at the wrong time during the light cycle and result in images with serious under-exposure and color shift. Before "flicker reduction", we had to use a longer exposure to avoid this. But that's not a option when shooting sports, so I'd see a lot of badly exposed images when I was shooting under certain types of lights. As many as half my images could be bad enough that they were worthless, so I shot a lot of extras. "Flicker reduction" for still images solves the problem by detecting the cycle of the lighting and timing the shutter release to the peak output of the lights. Usually this is so fast you don't notice, but every once in a while you might have a slight shutter delay. This is not to be confused with flicker reduction in video, which many cameras had long before a similar feature was available for still photos. The D7200 has flicker reduction in Live View and video mode.... neither of which help with most sports photography.

D7200... $434 to $549 used (depending upon condition, shutter count, MPB.com)
D7500... $997 new, used from $749 (MPB.com)
D500... $1597 new, used from $789 (MPB.com)
D850 and D750 are both full frame cameras. To shoo... (show quote)


This is a very comprehensive over veiw of the best options. Given that sports was in the mix, d500 is a perfect option and if you can afford it, with grip.

I have bought and sold this camera. Twice. Loved it for wildlife/sports. I chimed in to encourage you to consider used. This camera is available used through FredMiranda often with shutter counts under 25k. Maybe someobe here has one they wish to sell. Sellers will list the shutter count...where as resellers like B&H, Adorama etc. Do not. So if you buy a camera here, check it before the return window closes. Its exciting to move up to a camera that offers more...good luck!

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Dec 18, 2021 08:53:16   #
srt101fan
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Not everyone has the money. If you can't afford it, just don't buy it. Don't buy anything less than what you want. It's not a necessity like food if you can't afford steak you eat eggs. I am sure the OP doesn't need a camera to make a living. Although I wouldn't even want a D850 but if someone like it there is no substitute. So sure any camera and the D850 would have features you don't want but the OP said he really like it.


I agree with Quixdraw. Your comment is not helpful.

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Dec 18, 2021 09:52:37   #
starlifter Loc: Towson, MD
 
I had a D7200 and it was a nice camera. It had buttons to change setting verses a menu. And even if the D850 wasn't pricey you would need new lenses, You can put a FX lens on a DX body but not the other way around.

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Dec 18, 2021 09:58:10   #
ronpier Loc: Poland Ohio
 
61LongLegs wrote:
I’m in the market for a new camera. I’ve mastered my Nikon D5100 and take great photos but would like to upgrade. I’ve had it for just over 11 yrs. I’d really like to have the Nikon d850 but it’s so pricey. I’ve also looked into the d750, z50, etc.

I mainly shoot candid, my children, their sports, mini shoots and just getting into using backdrops.

What’s the best camera to look into.

I’m not a fan of the battery life of Nikon z50 and I’m told it’s not the greatest for sports? Is this true?

Thanks
I’m in the market for a new camera. I’ve mastered ... (show quote)


Definitely consider the D7500. Same sensor, processor and image quality as the D500 at a much lower price. And long battery life.

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Dec 18, 2021 10:28:14   #
Bultaco Loc: Aiken, SC
 
ronpier wrote:
Definitely consider the D7500. Same sensor, processor and image quality as the D500 at a much lower price. And long battery life.


They don't share the AF, the D500 & D850 AF are faster. Great for sports and wildlife.

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Dec 18, 2021 10:31:20   #
davidrb Loc: Half way there on the 45th Parallel
 
61LongLegs wrote:
I’m in the market for a new camera. I’ve mastered my Nikon D5100 and take great photos but would like to upgrade. I’ve had it for just over 11 yrs. I’d really like to have the Nikon d850 but it’s so pricey. I’ve also looked into the d750, z50, etc.

I mainly shoot candid, my children, their sports, mini shoots and just getting into using backdrops.

What’s the best camera to look into.

I’m not a fan of the battery life of Nikon z50 and I’m told it’s not the greatest for sports? Is this true?

Thanks
I’m in the market for a new camera. I’ve mastered ... (show quote)


A new Camera? Why? What do you want from a camera that your present one will not offer? The ONLY reason to "upgrade' is to get features you do not already have. Once you determine that you can begin your search. 11 years of one camera is not a valid excuse to buy a new camera. Higher ISO, or more frames per second are valid reasons. Your title tells your real reasons, you want to get away from your present camera, but you have no idea to what you want to go. You ask this forum to decide for you. Save you money, shoot what you've got until you learn it better.

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Dec 18, 2021 10:37:09   #
mikeroetex Loc: Lafayette, LA
 
61LongLegs wrote:
I’m in the market for a new camera. I’ve mastered my Nikon D5100 and take great photos but would like to upgrade. I’ve had it for just over 11 yrs. I’d really like to have the Nikon d850 but it’s so pricey. I’ve also looked into the d750, z50, etc.
I mainly shoot candid, my children, their sports, mini shoots and just getting into using backdrops.
What’s the best camera to look into.
I’m not a fan of the battery life of Nikon z50 and I’m told it’s not the greatest for sports? Is this true?
Thanks
I’m in the market for a new camera. I’ve mastered ... (show quote)

First off, ignore the naysayers who think you should never upgrade or buy a new camera. That decision is totally up to you and your budget.

The D7200 is a fine upgrade, but I wouldn't for two reasons. You mention sports and the buffer isn't deep enough. Second, it's a little long in the tooth tech wise. I jumped from D7100 to D7200 and quickly to the D500, which is still my go-to for wildlife/sports. You would be very happy and able to use your DX glass or any FX you might have, plus the FPS beats the D7200 hands down.

If you want a D750 or D850 and have to acquire new glass anyway, I suggest you skip ahead to a Z6II or Z7II. The Z6II is adequate for sports, but presents it's own challenges with the black out between frames in the EVF. It is not as effective as the D500, which still, in my opinion, has a superior AF system.

Best of luck, whichever way you go!

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Dec 18, 2021 10:39:34   #
kmielen Loc: Eastern NC
 
In-lightened wrote:
This is a very comprehensive over veiw of the best options. Given that sports was in the mix, d500 is a perfect option and if you can afford it, with grip.

I have bought and sold this camera. Twice. Loved it for wildlife/sports. I chimed in to encourage you to consider used. This camera is available used through FredMiranda often with shutter counts under 25k. Maybe someobe here has one they wish to sell. Sellers will list the shutter count...where as resellers like B&H, Adorama etc. Do not. So if you buy a camera here, check it before the return window closes. Its exciting to move up to a camera that offers more...good luck!
This is a very comprehensive over veiw of the best... (show quote)


Used Photo Pro lists shutter counts and provides numerous images of the exact product you are getting. I must admit, prices of used cameras seem to have increased recently and their inventory turns over quickly. I'm waiting for the flood of used D850s once those Z9s start getting delivered!

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Dec 18, 2021 10:57:29   #
ronpier Loc: Poland Ohio
 
Bultaco wrote:
They don't share the AF, the D500 & D850 AF are faster. Great for sports and wildlife.


But for most people the 7500 AF is more than sufficient.

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Dec 18, 2021 11:11:37   #
Quixdraw Loc: x
 
Unless you are into spray and pray, and even there it is only a 2 frame difference, and are willing to drop from 24 to 21 MP, the D7200 is a better deal. I have the tilt screen on the D750 and find it to be an encumbrance and point of vulnerability. Here are the 2 compared. https://cameradecision.com/compare/Nikon-D7500-vs-Nikon-D7200

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