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Dec 16, 2021 18:26:16   #
Jsykes
 
amfoto1 wrote:
Hi all,

I'm seriously considering getting a used 5DS or 5DS-R. My primary use for it will be landscape photography. But I may occasionally use it for architecture, wildlife, macro or people pics too.

I know the only difference is that the 5DS-R has the anti-alias filter cancellation, which allows it to render a little more fine detail. Sounds ideal for landscape. But I know that AA cancellation can lead to moiré in images under certain situations. It's most commonly seen in fabrics, in repeating lines in architecture, in bird feathers, etc. For that reason the 5DS with an AA filter might be a better alternative, possibly even at the cost of a little fine detail. Used 5DS also are selling for a little less than used 5DS-R.

I was hoping to get some feedback from folks who have used one camera or the other....

If you had the 5DS-R, did you have problems with moiré? If not, what were you shooting? If so, what was the situation and were you able to correct the problem in post-processing?

If you had the 5DS, did you ever feel a lack of fine detail due to its anti-alias filter? How did the images sharpen up in post-processing?

I realize it's unlikely that anyone would have used them both, though if someone has I'd really like to hear your thoughts. I think I've read or viewed all the reviews that discussed them both.

Thanks in advance!

P.S. No need to tell me I should be looking at a mirrorless camera instead of a DSLR, Paul. I'm willing to take the risk that my life's purpose won't be fulfilled and I will never attain sainthood!
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Dec 16, 2021 18:40:27   #
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travisdeland wrote:
I have the 5DSR and have never had any type of moire issues. I shoot mostly landscapes, waterfalls, and people with it. The fine detail is impressive. My raw files average around 70-75mb, occasionally larger.

The large file size reminds me that I neglected to mention yet one more compromise concerning the 5DSR:
The buffer is reeeeeally inadequate.

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Dec 16, 2021 19:00:11   #
travisdeland Loc: deland, FL
 
Alan, my choice to get a DSR was the fact I was already shooting a 7D2. The menu structure is seamless-when my DSR showed up it was set up for an Asian language-the 7D2 allowed me to navigate to English. The 5DSR shares the same pixel density with the 7D2-expect slightly better ISO performance due to the larger sensor. The AF system was a huge disappointment for me but once I learned it, and to use Live View, the images are remarkable. A friend that shoots the Nikon D850 thinks that the resolution is better. I shoot through mostly Sigma lenses but have no regrets on purchasing the camera body. This is NOT a 7D2 AF system-hope your eyesight good.

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Dec 16, 2021 22:00:01   #
RodM Loc: SE Virginia
 
I love my DSR for travel/landscapes. I can enlarge images enough for my wall. (I am also old-fashioned and Scottish.)

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Dec 16, 2021 22:31:11   #
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travisdeland wrote:
Alan, my choice to get a DSR was the fact I was already shooting a 7D2. The menu structure is seamless-when my DSR showed up it was set up for an Asian language-the 7D2 allowed me to navigate to English. The 5DSR shares the same pixel density with the 7D2-expect slightly better ISO performance due to the larger sensor. The AF system was a huge disappointment for me but once I learned it, and to use Live View, the images are remarkable. A friend that shoots the Nikon D850 thinks that the resolution is better. I shoot through mostly Sigma lenses but have no regrets on purchasing the camera body. This is NOT a 7D2 AF system-hope your eyesight good.
Alan, my choice to get a DSR was the fact I was al... (show quote)

Huge agreement on the SLR AF problem. I rely entirely on LV.

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Dec 16, 2021 22:59:00   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Weren't they giving them away new for about $1500 just a few weeks ago? That would be the only reason to buy a relic of the DSLRosaur age of photography. B&H still has them at this price it seems.

Note rmorrison1116's comment about high-resolution everyday cameras, cameras like the EOS R5 that have changed how we think about mirrorless, how we think about photography, how we think about life.


I almost bought an R5 but decided, for the cost, it doesn't really give me much more, image quality wise, than I already have. If I were a professional photographer then maybe, but I'm not and what I already have works just fine. I've not changed the way I think about MILC'S, or about photography, and no camera has ever changed how I think about life. I'm simply not that shallow. By the way, the average "everyday camera" runs around 24 megapixels, which is just fine for most everyday photography.

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Dec 16, 2021 23:15:18   #
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rmorrison1116 wrote:
I almost bought an R5 but decided, for the cost, it doesn't really give me much more, image quality wise, than I already have. If I were a professional photographer then maybe, but I'm not and what I already have works just fine. I've not changed the way I think about MILC'S, or about photography, and no camera has ever changed how I think about life. I'm simply not that shallow. By the way, the average "everyday camera" runs around 24 megapixels, which is just fine for most everyday photography.
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Every now and then an upgraded tool greatly changes “how I think about life”. To call that “shallow” one must be quite lacking in creative drive.

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Dec 17, 2021 00:37:56   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Things work out best for those with the mirrorless cameras.

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Dec 17, 2021 13:19:22   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Things work out best for those with the mirrorless cameras.


Yes, as I understand it, mirrorless camera users....

1. Enjoy fine wine and fine dining more often.
2. Have fewer flat tires, less car breakdowns in general, and get better gas mileage.
3. Have lower bad cholesterol and higher good cholesterol.
4. Win more lotteries, have better investment returns and higher paying jobs.
5. Have more friends, fewer enemies.
6. Never get heartburn or flatulence.
7. Are more confident of their gender identity.
8. Live in better houses in nicer parts of town.
9. Take more vacations to more exotic places.
10. Spouses/partners report happier marriages/relationships and better sex.

Geez! Why wouldn't everyone want mirrorless!?!


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Dec 17, 2021 13:22:25   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
The grass is always greener when captured with a mirrorless camera.

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Dec 17, 2021 22:03:42   #
cactuspic Loc: Dallas, TX
 
raymondh wrote:
If you were to have a dedicated macro body, would you go with the 5ds or the 5dIV?


If most of your macro are in the studio, shot with external lighting, or shot wide open outside, then I would highly recommend the 5Ds. If you using ISOs above 800 for your macro due to lighting, to prevent motion blur, to stop down or because of the light loss due to magnification, then I would use the 5D Mark IV. I love the 5DSr for my my macros where I don't have to push the ISO past 800 and thought the resolution trumped any disadvantages. Above ISO 800, I traded off the higher resolution of my 5Dsr for the cleaner image of the 5D Mark IV. I would look at your macro shots for last year and see if how often you shot at higher ISOs before I made my decision.

Irwin

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Dec 18, 2021 12:45:06   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
cactuspic wrote:
If most of your macro are in the studio, shot with external lighting, or shot wide open outside, then I would highly recommend the 5Ds. If you using ISOs above 800 for your macro due to lighting, to prevent motion blur, to stop down or because of the light loss due to magnification, then I would use the 5D Mark IV. I love the 5DSr for my my macros where I don't have to push the ISO past 800 and thought the resolution trumped any disadvantages. Above ISO 800, I traded off the higher resolution of my 5Dsr for the cleaner image of the 5D Mark IV. I would look at your macro shots for last year and see if how often you shot at higher ISOs before I made my decision.

Irwin
If most of your macro are in the studio, shot with... (show quote)


Thanks Irwin... good points. I do have studio lighting, which is adequate although it's not very powerful. I also have several options for macro flash that's more portable for field work. So I rarely need to push ISO very high when shooting macro. I did as you suggested and looked at some of my macro shots. Most were ISO 200 and with some random spot checking I didn't find any where I'd used higher than ISO 400, although I can't entirely rule out the possibility that I used higher at times.

Again, thanks for the info!

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Dec 18, 2021 14:11:29   #
alberio Loc: Casa Grande AZ
 
Did you get my PM?

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Dec 18, 2021 14:31:29   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
alberio wrote:
Did you get my PM?


No.

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Dec 18, 2021 15:09:46   #
alberio Loc: Casa Grande AZ
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
No.


Sorry Paul, I misdirected my response.

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