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Dec 16, 2021 13:56:20   #
rcarol
 
Chadp wrote:
I just received my Mac Mini with M1 chip to replace my 2012 mini with I7 and 16gb ram. My wife bought a MacBook Air with M1 and 8 gb ram a few months ago and it’s performance convinced me it was time to upgrade. There are some good YouTube videos comparing the 8 vs 16GB RAM machines with M1 and the 8 looks like it will do the job as well as the 16 unless the machine is extremely tasked. However, I could not wrap my head around going from 16 on my current machine down to 8. So I spent the extra 200 on the 16. I just started setting it up last night so I can’t comment on the performance.
I just received my Mac Mini with M1 chip to replac... (show quote)


I also purchased the Mac Mini with 16GB of RAM and for the same reasons as you. I find it's performance impressive. In many ways it outperforms my home built i9 PC.

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Dec 16, 2021 13:58:36   #
bigguytf
 
morkie wrote:
Previous postings have indicated 16gb ram is needed for extensive video editing but not for still photos.


Thank you for that information

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Dec 16, 2021 13:59:05   #
bigguytf
 
Thanks for that information

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Dec 16, 2021 14:22:51   #
MJPerini
 
My son has the laptop version of the M1 (8gb, 512) it is a fast and reliable machine, and runs everything pretty well.
So It really does seem to be more efficient with RAM. Having said that, if you intend token it a long time, factor in that the RAM cannot be increased, so going with 16GB ram might be good insurance for not a lot of money.

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Dec 16, 2021 14:32:28   #
Ednsb Loc: Santa Barbara
 
burkphoto wrote:
I don't have that Mini, but I do have an M1 MacBook Air with 16GB/1TB. My son has the same computer, but with 8GB/512GB. These are essentially the same machines as the 2020 M1 Mini, the 2021 24" M1 iMac, and the 2020 13" MacBook Pro. The Mini is a little faster than the MBA and the MBP, and about the same speed as the mid-tier iMac. That's due to the presence of its very efficient fan.

YES, the M1 family do use memory VERY differently from Intel machines. The "Unified" memory is used by all processing functions, without moving data unless a swap to the SSD happens. This is the way ALL Apple Silicon in iPhones and iPads has worked for the last decade. They've become very efficient about using data "in place" instead of bouncing it back and forth between graphic memory and RAM.

There are many reviews of the 8GB Mini on YouTube by people who use Lightroom, Photoshop, Final Cut Pro, DaVinci Resolve, various software development and coding environments, ProTools and Logic Pro audio editing suites, and other heavy lifting software. Most of them say it is fine for YouTube content development and all but the most intensive work in the Adobe Photography apps. Adobe Premiere is the one app they don't like running on Macs, and never did like running on Macs, because it is better-tuned for Windows.

Depending on what you are doing, 8GB can be enough. It probably is for 95% of M1 Mac users.

My son has never complained about 8GB being too little. He is a media studies major at UNCG, and has done significant 4K video editing and graphics production on his MacBook Air. He HAS complained about 512GB SSD storage not being enough. I am working with him on strategies that make use of very fast external storage. Part of his issue is that he straddles the Mac/PC fence as I did for decades. The operating systems are just different. He's learning not to fight either one, but to use them as intended!

My recommendation for those buying M1 Macs is that unless you are making money with it on a daily basis, get the 8GB model with full processor cores and the most internal storage you can afford. Then attach FAST external drives via a Thunderbolt hub or dock.

My experience with the M1 is very satisfying. My system can export 30 – 16GB images from raw files in Lightroom in under 20 seconds. It can export a 20"x30" @ 240 PPI file for a poster print in four seconds. It does not stutter with 4K video with three effects and five audio channels. I've mixed more audio tracks than a normal person would want to use in a mix, with 4-6 processor plugins on each track, without any crashes, stutters, or other issues. Battery life does suffer when running Lightroom and the Negative Lab Pro plugin. But other than that, it can go all day without a charge when doing email, web browsing, and light office work.

The eerie thing about working with M1 Macs is near silence when running the MBP, iMac, or Mini. They just don't need to spin up the fans unless you work them to the brink of death. The Air just throttles back slightly under load, because it has NO fan. It is great to record audio on the Air, compared to my Intel iMac that made a lot of fan noise!

I'll add that you can save significant money by buying from Apple's online Refurbished store. You get a computer in a plain white box, but it is impeccable in every way and has the same exact warranty as a new machine.
I don't have that Mini, but I do have an M1 MacBoo... (show quote)


Very good explanation - old time computer guy who had it stuck in my head 8GB was too small so when I purchased my M1 Mac Mini I got 16GM and 500GB SSD. Then I read a very good article on the architecture that told me the SSD is part of the architecture and when the cpu or gpu runs out of memory it is handled by the SSD WITHOUT any lost of performance. So in retrospect I would have done what Burkphoto suggested and bought 8/1TB or more. Too late to change that but you can buy a thunderbolt enclosure (CWS has one for $79) load a SSD chip in it , connect it to the thunderbolt port and use it as pretty damn fast memory. Only thing I would correct is that the M1 Mac Mini does not have a fan and doesn’t need one.

Mine has handled the worst of the photographic apps like Topaz Gigapixel without a hiccup and never gets warm. I have a number of apps watching performance and I am amazed at how little they move even when running PhotoShop, Illustrator and InDesign at the same time.

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Dec 16, 2021 14:47:57   #
rcarol
 
Ednsb wrote:
Very good explanation - old time computer guy who had it stuck in my head 8GB was too small so when I purchased my M1 Mac Mini I got 16GM and 500GB SSD. Then I read a very good article on the architecture that told me the SSD is part of the architecture and when the cpu or gpu runs out of memory it is handled by the SSD WITHOUT any lost of performance. So in retrospect I would have done what Burkphoto suggested and bought 8/1TB or more. Too late to change that but you can buy a thunderbolt enclosure (CWS has one for $79) load a SSD chip in it , connect it to the thunderbolt port and use it as pretty damn fast memory. Only thing I would correct is that the M1 Mac Mini does not have a fan and doesn’t need one.

Mine has handled the worst of the photographic apps like Topaz Gigapixel without a hiccup and never gets warm. I have a number of apps watching performance and I am amazed at how little they move even when running PhotoShop, Illustrator and InDesign at the same time.
Very good explanation - old time computer guy who ... (show quote)


I believe that the M1 Mac Mini does indeed have a fan but the chassis cooling is so efficient the fan rarily heard.

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Dec 16, 2021 14:57:44   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Ednsb wrote:
Very good explanation - old time computer guy who had it stuck in my head 8GB was too small so when I purchased my M1 Mac Mini I got 16GM and 500GB SSD. Then I read a very good article on the architecture that told me the SSD is part of the architecture and when the cpu or gpu runs out of memory it is handled by the SSD WITHOUT any lost of performance. So in retrospect I would have done what Burkphoto suggested and bought 8/1TB or more. Too late to change that but you can buy a thunderbolt enclosure (CWS has one for $79) load a SSD chip in it , connect it to the thunderbolt port and use it as pretty damn fast memory. Only thing I would correct is that the M1 Mac Mini does not have a fan and doesn’t need one.

Mine has handled the worst of the photographic apps like Topaz Gigapixel without a hiccup and never gets warm. I have a number of apps watching performance and I am amazed at how little they move even when running PhotoShop, Illustrator and InDesign at the same time.
Very good explanation - old time computer guy who ... (show quote)


The MacBook Air is the only M1 Mac without a fan. But as this review indicates, the fan in the Mini is so quiet, you might never hear it!

https://www.macworld.co.uk/review/mac-mini-m1-2020-3804987/

Some small recording studios use the Mini for multi-track recording because it is so quiet. It won't interfere with any monitoring operations, and it probably can't be heard "on mic" during most recording operations. The fan rarely needs to get loud enough to intrude.

What's funny to me is that many creatives are buying the newest top end M1 Max machines for simple tasks, and finding that they'll do EVERYTHING they need done. YouTuber, Mary Spender, recently bought a fully tricked-out high end MacBook Pro to manage her recording and her channel. Check out her review: https://youtu.be/H3BGFWoqA9E That machine probably isn't getting much of a workout... Be sure to watch the music video at the end.

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Dec 16, 2021 15:00:03   #
Ednsb Loc: Santa Barbara
 
wow, I am wrong….just watched a breakdown of an M1 Mac Mini and yes there is a fan. I read somewhere right after they came out there was no fan. That being said mine has never gotten hot and Ive never heard it

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Dec 16, 2021 15:07:46   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Ednsb wrote:
wow, I am wrong….just watched a breakdown of an M1 Mac Mini and yes there is a fan. I read somewhere right after they came out there was no fan. That being said mine has never gotten hot and Ive never heard it


That M1 SOC is so power efficient, the old MacMini enclosure that held the Intel versions is practically overkill for it! The Mini has always had a really quiet fan, even back in 2010 when I bought one. It takes about 100 times longer to do anything than the new ones, though!

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Dec 16, 2021 18:14:22   #
bigguytf
 
rcarol wrote:
I also purchased the Mac Mini with 16GB of RAM and for the same reasons as you. I find it's performance impressive. In many ways it outperforms my home built i9 PC.


Thanks, this helps a lot

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Dec 16, 2021 18:18:39   #
bigguytf
 
To all, after two pages of replies, I got the information I needed. We can close this thread if I knew how. LOL. Thanks for all who replied.

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Dec 16, 2021 18:41:50   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Unless you plan on trading computers every few years, buy all the DRAM you can because it cannot be upgraded. While 8GB may seem adequate today, it’s a safe bet that applications will continue to get bigger and bigger as they always have and files will do the same, each requiring more and more memory to avoid THE performance killer - paging to disk (even SSD).

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Dec 17, 2021 12:15:15   #
bigguytf
 
burkphoto wrote:
I don't have that Mini, but I do have an M1 MacBook Air with 16GB/1TB. My son has the same computer, but with 8GB/512GB. These are essentially the same machines as the 2020 M1 Mini, the 2021 24" M1 iMac, and the 2020 13" MacBook Pro. The Mini is a little faster than the MBA and the MBP, and about the same speed as the mid-tier iMac. That's due to the presence of its very efficient fan.

YES, the M1 family do use memory VERY differently from Intel machines. The "Unified" memory is used by all processing functions, without moving data unless a swap to the SSD happens. This is the way ALL Apple Silicon in iPhones and iPads has worked for the last decade. They've become very efficient about using data "in place" instead of bouncing it back and forth between graphic memory and RAM.

There are many reviews of the 8GB Mini on YouTube by people who use Lightroom, Photoshop, Final Cut Pro, DaVinci Resolve, various software development and coding environments, ProTools and Logic Pro audio editing suites, and other heavy lifting software. Most of them say it is fine for YouTube content development and all but the most intensive work in the Adobe Photography apps. Adobe Premiere is the one app they don't like running on Macs, and never did like running on Macs, because it is better-tuned for Windows.

Depending on what you are doing, 8GB can be enough. It probably is for 95% of M1 Mac users.

My son has never complained about 8GB being too little. He is a media studies major at UNCG, and has done significant 4K video editing and graphics production on his MacBook Air. He HAS complained about 512GB SSD storage not being enough. I am working with him on strategies that make use of very fast external storage. Part of his issue is that he straddles the Mac/PC fence as I did for decades. The operating systems are just different. He's learning not to fight either one, but to use them as intended!

My recommendation for those buying M1 Macs is that unless you are making money with it on a daily basis, get the 8GB model with full processor cores and the most internal storage you can afford. Then attach FAST external drives via a Thunderbolt hub or dock.

My experience with the M1 is very satisfying. My system can export 30 – 16GB images from raw files in Lightroom in under 20 seconds. It can export a 20"x30" @ 240 PPI file for a poster print in four seconds. It does not stutter with 4K video with three effects and five audio channels. I've mixed more audio tracks than a normal person would want to use in a mix, with 4-6 processor plugins on each track, without any crashes, stutters, or other issues. Battery life does suffer when running Lightroom and the Negative Lab Pro plugin. But other than that, it can go all day without a charge when doing email, web browsing, and light office work.

The eerie thing about working with M1 Macs is near silence when running the MBP, iMac, or Mini. They just don't need to spin up the fans unless you work them to the brink of death. The Air just throttles back slightly under load, because it has NO fan. It is great to record audio on the Air, compared to my Intel iMac that made a lot of fan noise!

I'll add that you can save significant money by buying from Apple's online Refurbished store. You get a computer in a plain white box, but it is impeccable in every way and has the same exact warranty as a new machine.
I don't have that Mini, but I do have an M1 MacBoo... (show quote)


Thanks great info

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Jan 6, 2022 12:31:05   #
jsktb Loc: Westerly, Rhode Island
 
Kevin.M wrote:
Hi bigguytf,

I'm not sure what a Mac Mini is but I just recently upgraded from using a 2013 MacBook Pro to a MacBook Air with the M1 chip, 16 GB of ram, 512GB hard drive, 7 core GPU, I use Lightroom, Photoshop & Topaz DeNoise, the machine is a joy to use, everything runs perfectly, the only accessory I purchased to go along with it is an Anker
8 port doc so I can plug in my external hard drive, and other accessories.

I hope this helps.

~Kevin


How do you like the Anker 8 to l port? Have you had any problems with it?

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Jan 6, 2022 22:15:00   #
Kevin.M Loc: Forked River, NJ
 
Works absolutely fine, no problem at all so far.

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