Covid?
Dec 13, 2021 13:40:18 #
Lucian wrote:
You are quite right, it all boils down to follow the money!
And why in the world are the makers afraid to reveal the ingredients of this experimental vaccine for the next 75 years? If they are not wanting to tell the public what's in it, then they have something serious to hide. Since it was tax payers money that funded this, it should be owned by the tax payers and the profits from sales should be shared with the tax payers who funded it.
And why in the world are the makers afraid to reveal the ingredients of this experimental vaccine for the next 75 years? If they are not wanting to tell the public what's in it, then they have something serious to hide. Since it was tax payers money that funded this, it should be owned by the tax payers and the profits from sales should be shared with the tax payers who funded it.
Ask Coca-Cola to release their formula… I am sure they have something nefarious to hide.
Dec 13, 2021 17:45:00 #
Rongnongno wrote:
Ask Coca-Cola to release their formula… I am sure they have something nefarious to hide.
The worst thing Coca-Cola ever did was to take the coke out of the recipe.
Dec 13, 2021 23:27:17 #
Dec 14, 2021 13:19:18 #
Dec 14, 2021 18:34:45 #
Whishing you a speedy recovery!
To weed through the mud and muck, avoid social media, politicians, other non-experts and most news outlets, and learn to read and understand the actual research. Takes practice! Here's an example which suggests that among those who came to the ER with Covid-like symptoms, the odds of getting a positive test were higher in previously infected unvaccinated people, than in people who were vaccinated with no known prior infection. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7044e1.htm?s_cid=mm7044e1_e&ACSTrackingID=USCDC_921-DM69455&ACSTrackingLabel=This%20Week%20in%20MMWR%20-%20Vol.%2070%2C%20November%205%2C%202021&deliveryName=USCDC_921-DM69455 .
This is just one example of the kind of information that is as close to unbiased as you can get. Look for studies that specifically list the strengths and weaknesses of the research.
Here's another example that suggests the vaccines reduce transmission of the Delta variant from breakthrough infections in the household setting though their protection against infection is low. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.24.21266401v2 .
To weed through the mud and muck, avoid social media, politicians, other non-experts and most news outlets, and learn to read and understand the actual research. Takes practice! Here's an example which suggests that among those who came to the ER with Covid-like symptoms, the odds of getting a positive test were higher in previously infected unvaccinated people, than in people who were vaccinated with no known prior infection. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7044e1.htm?s_cid=mm7044e1_e&ACSTrackingID=USCDC_921-DM69455&ACSTrackingLabel=This%20Week%20in%20MMWR%20-%20Vol.%2070%2C%20November%205%2C%202021&deliveryName=USCDC_921-DM69455 .
This is just one example of the kind of information that is as close to unbiased as you can get. Look for studies that specifically list the strengths and weaknesses of the research.
Here's another example that suggests the vaccines reduce transmission of the Delta variant from breakthrough infections in the household setting though their protection against infection is low. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.24.21266401v2 .
Dec 14, 2021 22:42:50 #
Reuss Griffiths
Loc: Ravenna, Ohio
Rongnongno wrote:
Ask Coca-Cola to release their formula… I am sure they have something nefarious to hide.
Coca Cola paid for their own research and own it and can release of hold any of it they like. Pfizer and Moderna were highly subsidized with public funds and owe it to the public to make their findings public, not in 75 years at 500 pages/month for 342,000 pages.
Dec 14, 2021 22:46:04 #
Reuss Griffiths
Loc: Ravenna, Ohio
diny wrote:
Obviously you have missed the stories of the fully vaccinated dying too!!!!! Do your homework!
Yes I have done my homework. Even those who have had booster shots are not totally safe and some of them have died also. Natural immunity is 27 times more effective than vaccines in preventing deaths according to an Israeli study with over 20,000 participants. Enjoy you coolaid!!!
Dec 14, 2021 23:24:03 #
Dec 15, 2021 01:05:16 #
Folks, regardless of opinions and whatever you use to support them…
Covid-19 is here to stay, and you must take steps to protect yourselves. Natural immunity is a joke, folks already had it twice.
The current vaccine has only one purpose: Lessen the impact. On that aspect, it works. I owe to know, I am in remission w/o having had to take anything other than a headache pill, twice.
My wife, on the other hand, has lost her sense of taste, so she is not a happy camper, but it seems she will get it back relatively fast as she can still taste some (strong) stuff.
We must learn to live with this new aspect of our lives, like it or not.
If you do not want a vaccine, so be it. Good luck and more often than not, it will be goodbye. It will be sad for your families, especially knowing that you will have made a choice in full knowledge that you will hurt your relatives.
I posted this in the attic as it is controversial but reflects the truth about what is going on around us.
Covid-19 is here to stay, and you must take steps to protect yourselves. Natural immunity is a joke, folks already had it twice.
The current vaccine has only one purpose: Lessen the impact. On that aspect, it works. I owe to know, I am in remission w/o having had to take anything other than a headache pill, twice.
My wife, on the other hand, has lost her sense of taste, so she is not a happy camper, but it seems she will get it back relatively fast as she can still taste some (strong) stuff.
We must learn to live with this new aspect of our lives, like it or not.
If you do not want a vaccine, so be it. Good luck and more often than not, it will be goodbye. It will be sad for your families, especially knowing that you will have made a choice in full knowledge that you will hurt your relatives.
I posted this in the attic as it is controversial but reflects the truth about what is going on around us.
Dec 15, 2021 01:27:28 #
Effate
Loc: El Dorado Hills, Ca.
Rongnongno wrote:
Folks, regardless of opinions and whatever you use... (show quote)
Agree with much of what you say but unlike other studies around the world our CDC seems reluctant to give much validity to natural immunity stating in the Johns Hopkins study cited by someone earlier in this thread that both the vaccine and natural immunity seem to produce similar protection and both lose efficacy after 6 mos. and vaccinated who have natural immunity seem to have the most robust immunity but to say it’s a joke is a joke. They state there hasn’t been enough controlled studies on natural vaccines in this country. I will bet you money if you queried everyone on this site to score how many people the know who have been infected after receiving the vaccine versus those who have been reinfected the pass through cases would absolutely dwarf the reinfected. This would merely be anecdotal obviously but the the ratio is only going to grow as for example the college in the East that closed today due to 70 new cases this weekend almost all vaccinated.
Dec 15, 2021 19:34:12 #
Chrishants
Loc: England
In the UK on the day government figures indicated that 4 out or every 5 C19 deaths here, were fully vaccinated, a leak to the press about parties at No10 Downing St, last Christmas when everyone else in UK was locked down, diverted attention from the rather more important news about the deaths!
If actual science is to be believed, it would appear that the widespread vaccination programs, have seriously compromised natural immunity, and will mean regular jabs will continue pretty much forever..................?
If actual science is to be believed, it would appear that the widespread vaccination programs, have seriously compromised natural immunity, and will mean regular jabs will continue pretty much forever..................?
Dec 16, 2021 12:20:00 #
Reuss Griffiths wrote:
Yes I have done my homework. Even those who have had booster shots are not totally safe and some of them have died also. Natural immunity is 27 times more effective than vaccines in preventing deaths according to an Israeli study with over 20,000 participants. Enjoy you coolaid!!!
800,000 dead and incredible suffering despite natural immunity. Good luck!
Dec 16, 2021 12:26:15 #
Chrishants
Loc: England
If effective treatments, rather than ineffective and dangerous psuedo vaccines, had been used how many of those 800,000 would still be alive today?
I find it astonishing that so many are prepared to trust thier lives, to government and big pharma?
I find it astonishing that so many are prepared to trust thier lives, to government and big pharma?
Dec 16, 2021 13:12:51 #
Chrishants wrote:
If effective treatments, rather than ineffective and dangerous psuedo vaccines, had been used how many of those 800,000 would still be alive today?
I find it astonishing that so many are prepared to trust thier lives, to government and big pharma?
I find it astonishing that so many are prepared to trust thier lives, to government and big pharma?
What effective treatments do you recommend?
Statistics do indicate without the vaccines many more would be effected, and either get sick or die.
Sometimes science and government can be more than helpful. We live in communities, not isolated on big rocks.
Dec 16, 2021 13:35:24 #
Chrishants
Loc: England
Firstly untested pharmaceuticals, which prevent neither infection nor transmission, perhaps should not be referred to as vaccines?
Claims that these products help prevent deaths of those with serious infections, should be weighed against the fact that regions with high vaccine take up rates, all have far higher numbers of infections and deaths than those with low vaccine take up.
I guess that we will never know what the outcome of vitamins to strengthen our natural immune systems, and treatments for those who did get infected would have been?
However, India provides a good example of the end result of treatment v vaccines, with C19 death rates flatlining, just as those in the UK and US start to rise uncontrollably once more!
Claims that these products help prevent deaths of those with serious infections, should be weighed against the fact that regions with high vaccine take up rates, all have far higher numbers of infections and deaths than those with low vaccine take up.
I guess that we will never know what the outcome of vitamins to strengthen our natural immune systems, and treatments for those who did get infected would have been?
However, India provides a good example of the end result of treatment v vaccines, with C19 death rates flatlining, just as those in the UK and US start to rise uncontrollably once more!
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