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Dec 6, 2021 12:23:53   #
47greyfox Loc: on the edge of the Colorado front range
 
burkphoto wrote:
Yep. Zeiss lens wipes seem to be available at most big box stores. They are safe and effective.



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Dec 6, 2021 13:17:21   #
Alphabravo2020
 
Drbobcameraguy wrote:
Alcohol leaves a film if used full strength.


I don't think this is true in the sense that the film you see after using isopropyl is actually oil or other foreign material on the lens that has been mobilized by the alcohol. Isopropyl is more of a solvent then a cleaner so it will pick up oil trapped at the edge of the lens, dissolve salt, float dust, and soften mystery gunk. Iso evaporates quickly so anything it dissolves or mobilizes will be left behind evenly distributed over the lens effectively leaving an atomic sheen. You do have to pick up the isopropyl with a dry or wet wipe in order to remove the foreign material. Only in this sense is it a cleaner.

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Dec 6, 2021 14:03:12   #
JBRIII
 
Alphabravo2020 wrote:
I don't think this is true in the sense that the film you see after using isopropyl is actually oil or other foreign material on the lens that has been mobilized by the alcohol. Isopropyl is more of a solvent then a cleaner so it will pick up oil trapped at the edge of the lens, dissolve salt, float dust, and soften mystery gunk. Iso evaporates quickly so anything it dissolves or mobilizes will be left behind evenly distributed over the lens effectively leaving an atomic sheen. You do have to pick up the isopropyl with a dry or wet wipe in order to remove the foreign material. Only in this sense is it a cleaner.
I don't think this is true in the sense that the f... (show quote)


We don't know the alcohol conc. on wipes, so they may be designed to avoild dissolving some greases, but then might also be less effective also. Pure isopropyl alcohol is 100% and would act the most like an organic solvent. Isopropyl alcohol purchased as rubbing alcohol is 70% in bottle I have. I thought some was 88, I purchased 100% reagent grade off either Amazon or Ebay. As you say, oils or greases could be a problem, but I think lens coatings would be fine. Filters, at least some specialty ones, could be an entirely different issue where I would check with maker.

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Dec 6, 2021 14:40:28   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
burkphoto wrote:
Lens cleaners are purpose-formulated for lenses. If you want to clean a computer monitor, a little distilled water on a microfiber cloth (JUST damp!) will remove most fingerprints and surface dust. No organic solvents (alcohol, vinegar, other acids, or bases) or abrasives should be used on monitors...


Exactly! Lenses and monitor screens are completely different.

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Dec 6, 2021 14:46:13   #
KindaSpikey Loc: English living in San Diego
 
What an odd question, no offense intended, but I really don't know why you're asking! The answer, as it seems everyone here agrees on, is to only use a purpose made lens cleaner (specifically made for cleaning lenses). You can follow some other advice given here, or not, (blowing /vacuuming /etc), but only clean it with something made for the job.

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Dec 6, 2021 14:50:43   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
birdman12 wrote:
I have destroyed an eyeglass lens, that had to be replaced, with Zeiss lens wipes. They were paper ones. I see that they have cloth ones which probably are fine. I use a microfiber cloth with a cleaning solution with no damage to my lens. I will never use paper wipes again.


The OLD, blue, dry paper lens wipes from the 1960s contained silica. They were awful on all optics other than uncoated cheap glass eyeglasses.

The NEW Zeiss lens wipes are made for lens cleaning. The exact fluid used seems to vary, as there are several MSDS sheets in circulation, all with different formulas on them. MOST contain isopropyl, but in low concentrations. As Zeiss makes some of the finest optics in the world (used on Sony cameras and other fine brands), I doubt they sell anything likely to harm them.

As with all cleaning products, there is a right way to use them, and many wrong ways. Removing as much surface dust and dirt as possible with a blower bulb is a good pre-cleaning practice.

Another good source for photographic cleaning supplies is https://photosol.com

They make excellent sensor cleaning fluids and swabs, and pre-moistened pads used for cleaning other optics. Their PEC 12 film cleaner is a go-to in most professional labs that still process, scan, or print film. I've used their products for decades, and cleaned many sensors with Sensor Swabs and Eclipse fluid.

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Dec 6, 2021 14:55:40   #
Dwiggy Loc: Dunedin, FL
 


You can buy them cheaper at Walmart...near or in their optical centers.

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Dec 6, 2021 15:08:28   #
Dwiggy Loc: Dunedin, FL
 
What are your thoughts of this kind of lens cleaner?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0081ER9KG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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Dec 6, 2021 15:42:39   #
birdman12 Loc: Pinopolis, SC
 
burkphoto wrote:
The OLD, blue, dry paper lens wipes from the 1960s contained silica. They were awful on all optics other than uncoated cheap glass eyeglasses.

The NEW Zeiss lens wipes are made for lens cleaning. The exact fluid used seems to vary, as there are several MSDS sheets in circulation, all with different formulas on them. MOST contain isopropyl, but in low concentrations. As Zeiss makes some of the finest optics in the world (used on Sony cameras and other fine brands), I doubt they sell anything likely to harm them.

As with all cleaning products, there is a right way to use them, and many wrong ways. Removing as much surface dust and dirt as possible with a blower bulb is a good pre-cleaning practice.

Another good source for photographic cleaning supplies is https://photosol.com

They make excellent sensor cleaning fluids and swabs, and pre-moistened pads used for cleaning other optics. Their PEC 12 film cleaner is a go-to in most professional labs that still process, scan, or print film. I've used their products for decades, and cleaned many sensors with Sensor Swabs and Eclipse fluid.
The OLD, blue, dry paper lens wipes from the 1960s... (show quote)


I have very poor vision. Only one eye and about half vision corrected in the other. I was wiping very hard with the Zeiis paper cleaner to clean the lens. They were sold by WalMart and still are. I finally figured out what was the cause of the damage -horizontal streaks- I always wiped horizontally. I now use a microfiber cloth and still wipe very hard with ablolutely no damage. I am not addressing the cleaning solution - just the material used. I acknowlege that wiping gently with the paper ones would probably never damage a lens, at least any damage that you could see. It took me a long time to discover the damage. As I indicated, I see that Zeiis is now also selling cloth wipes in packages. I feel that these would be fine and not damage a lens even with hard wiping. I have not tried them yet. My advice to Zeiis would be to discontinue the paper wipes. They may be doing damage to lens that is not apparent.

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Dec 6, 2021 16:02:02   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Alphabravo2020 wrote:
I don't touch the glass with anything (lens paper, q-tip, lens pen) until oil or grit has been blown away, washed away, or mobilized.

1. Use combo blower/brush to remove loose particles.
2. Spray lens with 99.9% isopropyl atomizer until grit or oil is removed or softened or mobilized.
3. Blot the lens to pick up mobilized particles and oil.
4. Wipe the glass with isopropyl and wipes.

I keep a tiny kit of blower/brush, atomizer, kim wipes, q-tips in my bag.


The only answer that makes sense!

I know a few techs that use to use ether to clean lenses. But ether can stratify along the floor and create an explosion hazard, so it should only be used in an extremely well ventilated space or not at all. I vote for the second option.

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Dec 6, 2021 16:35:31   #
KTJohnson Loc: Northern Michigan
 
Zeiss Lens Wipes - Ingredients : Water, isopropyl alcohol, proprietary detergents and preservatives.

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Dec 6, 2021 19:27:48   #
Jack 13088 Loc: Central NY
 
charles tabb wrote:
I was wondering...
Is Lens Cleaner only Alcohol or does it have other ingrediencies?
Why not just pure alcohol?
Or that's not the thing to do.

Based on recommendations by a gaggle of Opticians I clean my eyeglasses by first flooding with tap water, spraying with an primarily alcohol based spray, flooding with water again and then drying with a clean microfiber cloth. Or if “in the field” with the Zeiss cleaning wipes, or equivalent. A drop of dish washing detergents a safe and effective substitute for the spray.

I clean my glasses usually 3 times or more a day with no problems. Camera lenses cannot safely be flooded with water and are cleaned less frequently so I use only the lens cleaning wipes. If possible I blow off the sand and gravel or diamond dust with dry air.

Some other observations:
Never but never use paper towels they are much too abrasive nor glass cleansers like Windex which chemically damage coatings.

You can wash microfiber cloths just don’t use fabric softeners or dryer sheets when washing then, or anything else for that matter. They gunk up the fibers with coatings.

I wouldn’t buy the $20 Apple microfiber screen cleaning cloth. The ones you get from your local optician are free!

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Dec 6, 2021 20:05:14   #
Alphabravo2020
 
Jack 13088 wrote:
Based on recommendations by a gaggle of Opticians I clean my eyeglasses by first flooding with tap water, spraying with an primarily alcohol based spray, flooding with water again and then drying with a clean microfiber cloth.


This is exactly what I discovered. Flood with warm water and blot/dry with a kim wipe. I've had the same pair of glasses 10 years with no scratches on the lenses (Only my eyebrows and face oils eat away at the coating at the top corners 🤪)

I do something similar with a camera lens by pointing it downward and using an atomizer to mist isopropyl up at the lens. Use a lot. Let it drip off. This flushes all the loose material off the lens before touching it with anything.

If the lens has ever been exposed to the environment you have to assume there is foreign material and abrasives on the lens: bugs, fingerprints, pollen, rain drops, salt, sand, dust, oil, condensation. If you touch it with anything before removing abrasives you have basically turned your Zeiss wipe into 80 grit sandpaper.



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Dec 6, 2021 21:23:31   #
tcthome Loc: NJ
 
Bill_de wrote:
I use Zeiss or Nikon wipes which seem to be the same product.

I gave up using bottled cleaners years ago.

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I use both but when using a Zeiss spray bottle I just dampen the lens cloth.

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Dec 6, 2021 21:23:57   #
tcthome Loc: NJ
 
Alphabravo2020 wrote:
I don't touch the glass with anything (lens paper, q-tip, lens pen) until oil or grit has been blown away, washed away, or mobilized.

1. Use combo blower/brush to remove loose particles.
2. Spray lens with 99.9% isopropyl atomizer until grit or oil is removed or softened or mobilized.
3. Blot the lens to pick up mobilized particles and oil.
4. Wipe the glass with isopropyl and wipes.

I keep a tiny kit of blower/brush, atomizer, kim wipes, q-tips in my bag.



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