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Nov 25, 2021 09:24:11   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
bikerguy wrote:
What are the remaining 4.2%?


The remaining 4.2% are made up of a rare group of animal photographer's.
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Nov 25, 2021 09:25:52   #
jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana
 
Morning Star wrote:
What about the remaining 4.2% ?

Ah,wait a minute.... I seem to remember a post, a long time ago, about a monkey snatching a camera and taking a photo.... that must be it.



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Nov 25, 2021 09:45:43   #
MTDesigns Loc: Corryton,Tenn.
 
The last 4 weddings I went to the photographers were women .

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Nov 25, 2021 10:18:58   #
sippyjug104 Loc: Missouri
 
Anyone who has a teenage daughter knows that girls take more selfies and photos with their cellphones than any other creature on earth.😜

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Nov 25, 2021 10:19:52   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
gvarner wrote:
This is just an opinion of mine but it seems like photography is populated more by men than by women, both in the professional realm and the amateur realm.


We have married off 4 children. We interviewed 3 photographers per wedding. Always the first one included. SHE had retired. The last one was female her two assistants were also females. Of the 4 only 1 was male.

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Nov 25, 2021 10:23:48   #
Jimmy T Loc: Virginia
 
burkphoto wrote:
What are the other 4.2 percent? Dead?

The field of professional photography rapidly grew more female after about 1980, and accelerated its shift in the 2000s. I saw this over the years that I attended the old Photo Marketing Association International conventions and trade shows. (PMAI is now defunct, having merged into the Consumer Electronics Show in the early-mid 2010s.)

I worked for a large school portrait company (actually three companies that merged one to the other to the other) from 1979-2012. When we shifted from film and optical production technologies in the mid '90s to mid-'00s, MANY older photographers could not handle the shift to use of computers tethered to cameras. Many of our lab personnel refused to believe their jobs were going away if they didn't learn to use computers. The folks who replaced both photographers and lab personnel who didn't face reality were predominantly younger and female, because they were more likely to have keyboard and computer skills.

I am SO glad I learned to type at the age of eight and caught the wave of personal computers with the Apple II, Mac, and PC in my 20s. That put me way ahead of my peers who thought they would never need keyboards. When our first company sold us to our second company, the second company required all managers and supervisors to be computer literate and to use email and spreadsheets. We went from five secretaries and administrative assistants down to one. Several managers went to night school at company expense.

I trained a lot of photographers, operations leaders, customer service staff, production workers, and sales people. Probably 80% were female. Quite honestly, they were more trainable than the guys...
What are the other 4.2 percent? Dead? br br The f... (show quote)


Similar experience where I worked . . .
In fact, the women already had the keyboard skills and some also embraced the computer wave.
The "Word Processing Center" disappeared almost overnight.
Women's career paths changed with the computer, and they also did very well.
Some men adopted the mantra of "I don't need to use a computer" to do my job.
I was amazed that even some male engineers refused the "New Technology".
Those men quickly fell to the wayside in the '70s.
Smile,
JimmyT Sends

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Nov 25, 2021 10:24:16   #
Canisdirus
 
mikeroetex wrote:
Keep digging that hole you are in. You do realize women can educate themselves and still have babies, right? LOL.


Not sure where he is getting his ideas...
World population is over 9 billion...and growing.

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Nov 25, 2021 11:08:16   #
gessman Loc: Colorado
 
FWIW, there is a popular misconception that women vastly outnumber men in the U.S., which is conditionally true. Curious about that distribution, a few years ago I did a little amateur demographic study of three census periods, by age and sex, both by state and nationally, when it was in the news that women were flocking to Alaska where men outnumbered women by a huge margin, complaining that they "couldn't find a man."

My survey revealed how the distribution actually plays out. Across those three census periods, I found that the ratio of women and men held pretty steady. Up to age 55 men outnumbered women and by age 65 they pulled about even with women having a very, very slight edge. From 65 and above is where the vast majority of the surplus of women live on, especially above 85 where it is almost all women but in diminishing numbers so these last two groups, which ostensibly have not traditionally been a very active part of society, is where the significant edge is in the numbers, both in population and personal wealth where there is a huge lopsided advantage to the female side of the equation. That might begin to explain several social phenomena that occur which are not clearly explained when just looking at the overall balance of numbers, such as why men have continued to dominate in areas of social prominence and power, especially where a vote is involved as in politics. I tried to put my study in the hands of the publications that had been publicizing the "imbalance" but somehow it didn't fit into their agenda for some reason.

It might be that in photography, like many other areas of endeavor in our society, given the perplexities dealing with the grappling for social power centered around the possible allegations of sexual issues, men are progressively shifting away from, or are voluntarily avoiding or disassociating themselves with, certain classes of occupations, or facets thereof, that are likely to lead to a perception that could render them suddenly unable to cover their financial needs, as we are seeing within the medical field where fewer men are willing to engage in specialties involving female patients while the reverse is not perceived to be a problem.

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Nov 25, 2021 11:16:00   #
St.Mary's
 
Mr. Burkeholder. One of my daughters also looked at SCAD. The whole institution in my opinion was a bit "off" somehow especially the cost. She ended up at Louisiana Tech, at Ruston, LA. Fine school with a very good graphics design program. Needless to say scholarships and in-state tuition helped also. Always have been beholding to all those fine taxpayers in Louisiana.

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Nov 25, 2021 11:30:17   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Photography seems to offer no size or strength advantage, no cultural or traditional restrictions, no language, communication, or accessibility barriers, etc. It would seem a pretty level playing field for all.

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Nov 25, 2021 11:37:23   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
gessman wrote:
FWIW, there is a popular misconception that women vastly outnumber men in the U.S., which is conditionally true. Curious about that distribution, a few years ago I did a little amateur demographic study of three census periods, by age and sex, both by state and nationally, when it was in the news that women were flocking to Alaska where men outnumbered women by a huge margin, complaining that they "couldn't find a man."

My survey revealed how the distribution actually plays out. Across those three census periods, I found that the ratio of women and men held pretty steady. Up to age 55 men outnumbered women and by age 65 they pulled about even with women having a very, very slight edge. From 65 and above is where the vast majority of the surplus of women live on, especially above 85 where it is almost all women but in diminishing numbers so these last two groups, which ostensibly have not traditionally been a very active part of society, is where the significant edge is in the numbers, both in population and personal wealth where there is a huge lopsided advantage to the female side of the equation. That might begin to explain several social phenomena that occur which are not clearly explained when just looking at the overall balance of numbers, such as why men have continued to dominate in areas of social prominence and power, especially where a vote is involved as in politics. I tried to put my study in the hands of the publications that had been publicizing the "imbalance" but somehow it didn't fit into their agenda for some reason.

It might be that in photography, like many other areas of endeavor in our society, given the perplexities dealing with the grappling for social power centered around the possible allegations of sexual issues, men are progressively shifting away from, or are voluntarily avoiding or disassociating themselves with, certain classes of occupations, or facets thereof, that are likely to lead to a perception that could render them suddenly unable to cover their financial needs, as we are seeing within the medical field where fewer men are willing to engage in specialties involving female patients while the reverse is not perceived to be a problem.
FWIW, there is a popular misconception that women ... (show quote)


Fascinating. But you don't convincingly make the connection to "why men have continued to dominate in areas of social prominence and power, especially where a vote is involved as in politics" with, "in population and personal wealth... there is a huge lopsided advantage to the female side of the equation."

What does one have to do with the other? Where's the connection? Why do men continue to dominate in power in spite of women continuing to become more prosperous?

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Nov 25, 2021 12:21:03   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
gvarner wrote:
This is just an opinion of mine but it seems like photography is populated more by men than by women, both in the professional realm and the amateur realm.


And your point is?

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Nov 25, 2021 12:49:00   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
ronichas wrote:
Thanks so much for posting this. I could not find when it was published. You have Sept 2021.
Is that posted somewhere on the information.


The date came up in the results returned by the search engine (Google).

I looked at the web page I couldn’t find the date either. I find it really annoying when a the date is omitted from a web page.

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Nov 25, 2021 13:04:23   #
pego101
 
burkphoto wrote:
What are the other 4.2 percent? Dead?

The field of professional photography rapidly grew more female after about 1980, and accelerated its shift in the 2000s. I saw this over the years that I attended the old Photo Marketing Association International conventions and trade shows. (PMAI is now defunct, having merged into the Consumer Electronics Show in the early-mid 2010s.)

I worked for a large school portrait company (actually three companies that merged one to the other to the other) from 1979-2012. When we shifted from film and optical production technologies in the mid '90s to mid-'00s, MANY older photographers could not handle the shift to use of computers tethered to cameras. Many of our lab personnel refused to believe their jobs were going away if they didn't learn to use computers. The folks who replaced both photographers and lab personnel who didn't face reality were predominantly younger and female, because they were more likely to have keyboard and computer skills.

I am SO glad I learned to type at the age of eight and caught the wave of personal computers with the Apple II, Mac, and PC in my 20s. That put me way ahead of my peers who thought they would never need keyboards. When our first company sold us to our second company, the second company required all managers and supervisors to be computer literate and to use email and spreadsheets. We went from five secretaries and administrative assistants down to one. Several managers went to night school at company expense.

I trained a lot of photographers, operations leaders, customer service staff, production workers, and sales people. Probably 80% were female. Quite honestly, they were more trainable than the guys...
What are the other 4.2 percent? Dead? br br The f... (show quote)


Transgender

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Nov 25, 2021 13:22:45   #
FotoHog Loc: on Cloud 9
 
burkphoto wrote:
What are the other 4.2 percent? Dead?

The field of professional photography rapidly grew more female after about 1980, and accelerated its shift in the 2000s. I saw this over the years that I attended the old Photo Marketing Association International conventions and trade shows. (PMAI is now defunct, having merged into the Consumer Electronics Show in the early-mid 2010s.)

I worked for a large school portrait company (actually three companies that merged one to the other to the other) from 1979-2012. When we shifted from film and optical production technologies in the mid '90s to mid-'00s, MANY older photographers could not handle the shift to use of computers tethered to cameras. Many of our lab personnel refused to believe their jobs were going away if they didn't learn to use computers. The folks who replaced both photographers and lab personnel who didn't face reality were predominantly younger and female, because they were more likely to have keyboard and computer skills.

I am SO glad I learned to type at the age of eight and caught the wave of personal computers with the Apple II, Mac, and PC in my 20s. That put me way ahead of my peers who thought they would never need keyboards. When our first company sold us to our second company, the second company required all managers and supervisors to be computer literate and to use email and spreadsheets. We went from five secretaries and administrative assistants down to one. Several managers went to night school at company expense.

I trained a lot of photographers, operations leaders, customer service staff, production workers, and sales people. Probably 80% were female. Quite honestly, they were more trainable than the guys...
What are the other 4.2 percent? Dead? br br The f... (show quote)

But it took a guy to train them . . .

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