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Nov 16, 2021 10:42:41   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
A company in Utah claims to have developed a better lie detector based on viewing the subject's eye. I don't like that idea. I'd hate to be sent to prison for a crime I didn't commit or see a guilty person go free based on observation of an eye.

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/a-utah-company-says-its-revolutionized-truth-telling-technology-experts-are-highly-skeptical/?amp=1

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Nov 16, 2021 11:46:50   #
stanikon Loc: Deep in the Heart of Texas
 
jerryc41 wrote:
A company in Utah claims to have developed a better lie detector based on viewing the subject's eye. I don't like that idea. I'd hate to be sent to prison for a crime I didn't commit or see a guilty person go free based on observation of an eye.

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/a-utah-company-says-its-revolutionized-truth-telling-technology-experts-are-highly-skeptical/?amp=1


Conventional lie detector results are not admissible in court, for very good reasons. I suspect that these will not be allowed either, also for very good reasons in spite of one judge's decision.

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Nov 17, 2021 08:18:33   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
stanikon wrote:
Conventional lie detector results are not admissible in court, for very good reasons. I suspect that these will not be allowed either, also for very good reasons in spite of one judge's decision.


Right! I wouldn't want to take a lie detector test.

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Nov 17, 2021 08:39:44   #
Canisdirus
 
Blade...runner.

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Nov 17, 2021 09:51:33   #
Dannj
 
I know several attorneys and police officers who will tell you the eyes are the key to the truth.

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Nov 17, 2021 09:59:03   #
Dannj
 
Saw this posted by a Mom on FB:

“Thank you to whoever told my 5 year old son that his eyes change color whenever he lies. Now whenever he lies, he squints so hard it’s a no-brainer for me.”

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Nov 17, 2021 10:33:30   #
Charlie157 Loc: San Diego, CA
 
Your eyes are the windows to your soul...who said that?

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Nov 17, 2021 12:19:39   #
Fredrick Loc: Former NYC, now San Francisco Bay Area
 
Dannj wrote:
I know several attorneys and police officers who will tell you the eyes are the key to the truth.

In work years ago my company sent me to a course on NLP (Neuro Linguistics Programming). Oftentimes people look down when they’re lying. Or, when you ask them a question about something in the past, if they look up and to the left, they’re recalling the truth. If they look up to the right, they’re usually making it up. Supposedly, it’s accurate 95% of the time with right handed people, and 90% of the time with left handed people.
I remember watching Charlie Rose on TV a few years ago. His guest was Robert Wagner. At one point Charlie asked him directly if he killed Natalie Wood. He looked down and said no. He couldn’t look Charlie in the eye. To this day I still believe he did it.

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Nov 17, 2021 12:29:29   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Dannj wrote:
I know several attorneys and police officers who will tell you the eyes are the key to the truth.


Yes. Lying is difficult. As Mark Twain supposedly said, "Lying isn't easy. There's too much to remember."

Unfortunately, some people have become experts at lying, and they don't have any "tells."

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Nov 17, 2021 12:30:44   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Fredrick wrote:
His guest was Robert Wagner. At one point Charlie asked him directly if he killed Natalie Wood. He looked down and said no. He couldn’t look Charlie in the eye. To this day I still believe he did it.


I always like both of them, so I choose to believe he did not do it.

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Nov 17, 2021 15:08:22   #
Dannj
 
Fredrick wrote:
In work years ago my company sent me to a course on NLP (Neuro Linguistics Programming). Oftentimes people look down when they’re lying. Or, when you ask them a question about something in the past, if they look up and to the left, they’re recalling the truth. If they look up to the right, they’re usually making it up. Supposedly, it’s accurate 95% of the time with right handed people, and 90% of the time with left handed people.
I remember watching Charlie Rose on TV a few years ago. His guest was Robert Wagner. At one point Charlie asked him directly if he killed Natalie Wood. He looked down and said no. He couldn’t look Charlie in the eye. To this day I still believe he did it.
In work years ago my company sent me to a course o... (show quote)


I don’t know if you’re aware of the recent ruckus involving the Green Bay Packers’ Aaron Rodgers and the COVID vaccine, Rodgers was asked if he’d been vaccinated. His response was: “I’ve been immunized” and his eyes immediately jumped up and to the right. Many saw this as an indication of a deliberately evasive answer.

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Nov 17, 2021 16:38:54   #
fantom Loc: Colorado
 
Charlie157 wrote:
Your eyes are the windows to your soul...who said that?


Spiderman

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Nov 17, 2021 16:43:11   #
Mark Sturtevant Loc: Grand Blanc, MI
 
Dannj wrote:
I don’t know if you’re aware of the recent ruckus involving the Green Bay Packers’ Aaron Rodgers and the COVID vaccine, Rodgers was asked if he’d been vaccinated. His response was: “I’ve been immunized” and his eyes immediately jumped up and to the right. Many saw this as an indication of a deliberately evasive answer.

We don't need to watch his eyes to know he was lying.

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Nov 17, 2021 16:47:51   #
Dannj
 
Mark Sturtevant wrote:
We don't need to watch his eyes to know he was lying.


Probably not. I thought it was a good example that fit with the post.

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Nov 17, 2021 18:37:20   #
Paul Murray
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Right! I wouldn't want to take a lie detector test.


I have mild nystagmus. I have enough problems with people not understanding (in a negative way) about the eye movement. An eye based lie detector would be a disaster for me.

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