Only Canon for a Wedding???
Oct 30, 2021 12:26:12 #
CHG_CANON wrote:
You are what your brand says you are ...
Maybe to really shallow people, but normal people don't really care about the tools used, just the end results. Also, not everyone owns just one brand.
Oct 30, 2021 12:27:38 #
srg wrote:
Heck, even getting into heaven may be jeoapardized by owning the wrong camera.
A good reason for owning multiple brands.
Oct 30, 2021 12:29:07 #
rmorrison1116 wrote:
Maybe to really shallow people, but normal people don't really care about the tools used, just the end results. Also, not everyone owns just one brand.
You seem to not be reading very close the comments of the larger UHH community ...
Oct 30, 2021 12:32:19 #
billt1970 wrote:
IMHO, NEITHER! The skill of the photographer in composing and exposing contributes the most, regardless of brand or luck. Again IMHO.
Many others subscribe to the same opinion, enough so that it's more than just opinion.
Oct 30, 2021 12:38:38 #
CHG_CANON wrote:
When you hired them, you probably based some of your decision on their prior work? So, what changed when you saw the equipment later?
BTW - why be so concerned about the camera when they arrive with $4,500 in professional lenses as discussed two pages ago? You think the camera is the key component? Hate to have to break it to you, but the camera is at least 3rd place in importance, maybe lower .... You seem to be taking too much of the poppycock here on UHH as serious.
BTW - why be so concerned about the camera when they arrive with $4,500 in professional lenses as discussed two pages ago? You think the camera is the key component? Hate to have to break it to you, but the camera is at least 3rd place in importance, maybe lower .... You seem to be taking too much of the poppycock here on UHH as serious.
Think you might have missed a bit. The last time I hired a wedding photographer was in 2002; when film was king. I was not into the hobby at that time and did not notice what the photographer was using. My posts were purely hypothetical coming from my viewpoint as someone who has been into the hobby for over a decade. I don't doubt that a skilled photographer could get excellent results from a Canon Rebel attached to pro lenses. What I don't understand is why he would cheap out on the "hull" when he has already invested so much on the "rigging" considering the total investment, he is not even saving that much. Might even cost more in the long run as those entry level bodies have a much shorter shutter life. As another example, look at the Bentley Bentayaga SUV which costs around 300K. Supposing the automaker decided to save a grand by putting Chinese tires on it, instead of high end rubber. Being that these cars are not likely to be raced, taken off road, or driven in severe winter conditions, most owners would not notice the difference while driving. I do bet that many prospective buyers would walk away at the sight of "Kenda" "Cheng Shin" or "Blacklion" on the tire sidewalls
Oct 30, 2021 13:51:10 #
So y'all, many replies. Some are humorous banter, some are just plain silly, some are on point and a few are unadulterated BS! All this talk about brands, but nobody, including me as yet, has talked about the required prerequisites of a really perfect wedding photography camera of system.
Let's get real- first of all, skills, both technical and people wise plus artistry and talent trump equipment any day of the week. Then you need good reliable tools that are appropriate for the job at hand.
I have been at the kind work for a very long time. I used every kind of large and medium format film camera as the time when on and the industry changed and progressed. All the camera and system that I used had certain commonalities regardless of brand or model. All were ergonomically suited to my hands and the style of working in that control was easily accessible so there was no fumbling with awkward gear so I could concentrate on the action and exporssions. All the formats were capable of yielding sharp images at all required degrees of enlargement. All had a lens or selection of lenses that were suitable for portraiture and candid (photojournalistic) shooting. They all had clear and bright eye-level viewfinders so exact camera placement and composition were easily facilitated. They all had full electronic flash synchronization at a wide range of shutter speeds. All were well built in order to withstand hard use in long duty cycles.
I am sure there are modes in every major professional-grade brand that can fit the aforementioned characteristics. All the rest is a matter of personal choice, budget and availability of needed accessories, lenses and service in your location.
As for the situation that started this thread. It is silly and fruitless to knock weddg photography as some kind of scud work- it can be profitable and enjoyable if you have the patience, personality and skillsets. It is also fruitless to knock an unknown "difficult" client especially with NOT being there and knowing both sides of the story. As for the vlogger in the YOU-tube skit- for all I know he may be a highly skilled artist, or not but going on a public rant about a dissatisfied non-customer is unprofessional. Even with best intentions, there can be personality conflicts, mismatches, and poor communication in client-relations in any business. True professionals treat every client or inquiring party with dignity and respect. Sometimes the best professional advice one can give an inquiring customer is to find another good photographer who is more in keeping with THEIR requirements and gracefully decline the assignment without argument, resentment, anger, sarcasm or ill feelings. A warm handshake, a smile and your best wishes and a sincere "thank you for considering my services" is the best way to part company.
P.S. I used Nikon equipment for many years in other kinds of work. Weh I first seriously considered going to digital in my weddg work I went to Canon for only one reason. At the time, they were the only brand that had a prime soft-focus lens. In my previous film work in weddings and portraiture, I had prime SF lenses for my Mamiya 67 system and a special Imagon conversion for the Hasselblad system. I only use these SF lenses for a few images at each wedding but prime SF lenses yield better results than SF filters. I have a few fast super-telephoto lenses for my Nikon gear that I use intermittently on weddings and I have no issue with colour quality or IQ when mixing them with the Canon shots.
Let's get real- first of all, skills, both technical and people wise plus artistry and talent trump equipment any day of the week. Then you need good reliable tools that are appropriate for the job at hand.
I have been at the kind work for a very long time. I used every kind of large and medium format film camera as the time when on and the industry changed and progressed. All the camera and system that I used had certain commonalities regardless of brand or model. All were ergonomically suited to my hands and the style of working in that control was easily accessible so there was no fumbling with awkward gear so I could concentrate on the action and exporssions. All the formats were capable of yielding sharp images at all required degrees of enlargement. All had a lens or selection of lenses that were suitable for portraiture and candid (photojournalistic) shooting. They all had clear and bright eye-level viewfinders so exact camera placement and composition were easily facilitated. They all had full electronic flash synchronization at a wide range of shutter speeds. All were well built in order to withstand hard use in long duty cycles.
I am sure there are modes in every major professional-grade brand that can fit the aforementioned characteristics. All the rest is a matter of personal choice, budget and availability of needed accessories, lenses and service in your location.
As for the situation that started this thread. It is silly and fruitless to knock weddg photography as some kind of scud work- it can be profitable and enjoyable if you have the patience, personality and skillsets. It is also fruitless to knock an unknown "difficult" client especially with NOT being there and knowing both sides of the story. As for the vlogger in the YOU-tube skit- for all I know he may be a highly skilled artist, or not but going on a public rant about a dissatisfied non-customer is unprofessional. Even with best intentions, there can be personality conflicts, mismatches, and poor communication in client-relations in any business. True professionals treat every client or inquiring party with dignity and respect. Sometimes the best professional advice one can give an inquiring customer is to find another good photographer who is more in keeping with THEIR requirements and gracefully decline the assignment without argument, resentment, anger, sarcasm or ill feelings. A warm handshake, a smile and your best wishes and a sincere "thank you for considering my services" is the best way to part company.
P.S. I used Nikon equipment for many years in other kinds of work. Weh I first seriously considered going to digital in my weddg work I went to Canon for only one reason. At the time, they were the only brand that had a prime soft-focus lens. In my previous film work in weddings and portraiture, I had prime SF lenses for my Mamiya 67 system and a special Imagon conversion for the Hasselblad system. I only use these SF lenses for a few images at each wedding but prime SF lenses yield better results than SF filters. I have a few fast super-telephoto lenses for my Nikon gear that I use intermittently on weddings and I have no issue with colour quality or IQ when mixing them with the Canon shots.
Oct 30, 2021 14:27:40 #
Oct 30, 2021 17:30:49 #
Oct 30, 2021 17:43:45 #
I would think he hired the photographer, not the camera. Hiring a camera, whether Nikon, Canon or whatever is not going to get the job done. It's like hiring a carpenter and getting upset, because his hammer came from Lowes instead of Home Depot.
Oct 30, 2021 23:01:37 #
[quote=CHG_CANON]It's hard to have good luck with the wrong camera.[/quot
When you've got the wrong camera, luck is still your friend.
When you've got the wrong camera, luck is still your friend.
Oct 30, 2021 23:02:34 #
MichaelMcGrath wrote:
Just bring a Canon and a Nikon!
I often do just that.
Oct 30, 2021 23:05:17 #
ecommons wrote:
I would think he hired the photographer, not the camera. Hiring a camera, whether Nikon, Canon or whatever is not going to get the job done. It's like hiring a carpenter and getting upset, because his hammer came from Lowes instead of Home Depot.
Some hammers my be purchased at both Lowes and Home Depot. But yeah, the whole Canon vs Nikon thing is rather silly. As I've stated before, I own Canon and Nikon and I like both, although I do prefer Canon ergonomics a little more than my Nikon's, and Canon's menu system is a bit friendlier for me.
Oct 30, 2021 23:30:26 #
MichaelMcGrath wrote:
Just bring a Canon and a Nikon!
I after all wasted my time watch almost the entire video. Well it's just silly thing. The client doesn't want to pay and wanted to photographer to use the camera he likes. Well too bad, money talks. You don't pay the photographer should just walk. There is no need for ranting.
If the guy is willing to pay then sure go out and buy the Canon.
Oct 30, 2021 23:31:50 #
ecommons wrote:
I would think he hired the photographer, not the camera. Hiring a camera, whether Nikon, Canon or whatever is not going to get the job done. It's like hiring a carpenter and getting upset, because his hammer came from Lowes instead of Home Depot.
If he is willing to pay the photographer should do it his way but in this case he doesn't want to pay so he isn't a customer.
Nov 1, 2021 09:04:17 #
KenY
Loc: Glenside, Pa
jerryc41 wrote:
I didn't watch the video, but a photographer on YouTube said his client got upset when he saw that he was using Nikons to shoot a wedding. I'll see if I can find the link?
I once took a nice photo of a musician friend and he said I must have a "really good camera." He asked me why I laughed at that comment, so I asked him if he would tell Eric Clapton he must have a really good guitar. He got it right away and we both laughed.
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