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Sep 22, 2021 17:13:33   #
KindaSpikey Loc: English living in San Diego
 
gouldopfl wrote:
I don't have a problem with people not getting vaccinated, just don't go to the hospital when they get sick. Selfishly they are clogging up the medical systems. In many places it can take over 20 hours to be seen in the emergency room, the staff are tired and overworked. Many have quit and replacements are not easy to find thus large staffing shortages. Some hospitals can still do emergency surgery some can't. Cancer patients in many areas are not able to continue their regular treatments. So before people say it is their right, what about the rights of others? Breakthrough cases are now a bigger thing. Isn't it the right of the vaccinated to be able to expect when going to the hospitals to not be impacted by selfish people. What about the safety of children below the age of 12 who can't be vaccinated? Many people here who are not vaccinated are no longer wearing masks. So don't get vaccinated but when they get sick, stay away from hospitals.
I don't have a problem with people not getting vac... (show quote)


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Sep 22, 2021 17:15:49   #
KindaSpikey Loc: English living in San Diego
 
Longshadow wrote:
I wonder how many people's last thoughts were "I shoulda got the shot!".


Or perhaps remove one word from that... "I shoulda got shot"!

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Sep 22, 2021 17:26:44   #
KindaSpikey Loc: English living in San Diego
 
hondo812 wrote:
Ahh but no one on here that I've seen is disparaging the dead heart attack patients for eating too much bacon and clogging up the health care system....same goes for smokers/cancer.


So only bacon eating smokers have heart attacks? Well that right there vastly simplifies the diagnosis and treatment of heart disease patients the world over. Well done sir, I assume your Nobel prize is in the mail!

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Sep 22, 2021 17:30:36   #
KindaSpikey Loc: English living in San Diego
 
gouldopfl wrote:
My body makes 10x's normal persons cholesterol and it is hereditary. I have had 7 heart stents. I was approved for a drug trial about 4 month's ago, for the first time my cholesterol has dropped below 200 so I know I got the actual drug


The best of luck with that, hope it works out for you.

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Sep 22, 2021 17:34:44   #
KindaSpikey Loc: English living in San Diego
 
hondo812 wrote:
Well, that's true isn't it?

And the truth is that the risk of a bad outcome with COVID is tied to comorbidities like being overweight, diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease, etc. Those comorbidities have you on the ledge and it's COVID that pushes you off. If I had those problems I'd be first in line to get jabbed.


You have seen the deaths of some kids and otherwise healthy adults though..... Right?

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Sep 22, 2021 17:36:12   #
KindaSpikey Loc: English living in San Diego
 
Texcaster wrote:
You look to be on the 'husky' side to me. Please reconsider.


Lmao, and a high 5!

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Sep 22, 2021 17:53:05   #
gouldopfl
 
I was one of the first vaccinated and have had my third shot already. I still wear a mask because vaccinated people can carry the virus and I don't want to infect those that can't get vaccinated

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Sep 22, 2021 17:57:55   #
gouldopfl
 
Kids have been dying, again mostly unvaccinated. Those kids under 12 can't be vaccinated. There haven't been any documented cases that I have heard of with breakthrough cases of Pfzier or Moderna patients. They do get sick bit recover.

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Sep 22, 2021 18:12:39   #
Canisdirus
 
BusterCrabbe wrote:
A little bit of knowledge is a terrible thing. COVID vaccine and transmission is simply misinformation. To emphasize an obvious fact even to the most obtuse, the 4th wave is essential the infection of the unvaccinated or not completely vaccinated. The cause of transmission? The unvaccinated COVID carrier.
They are assembling data on vaccinated COVID carriers (who are often asymptomatic due to their Vaccine) but those number are, not surprisng, very very low but not impossible.
The non-protein COVID vaccines are what I call the lazy vaccines. They provide the genetic material (mRNA is not a gene by the way so how can it be gene therapy?) and let you make your own vaccine protein antigen in your own body. A brilliant way of doing vaccines and will be the future of not only vaccines but of many biotherapeutics.
Please stop the trivial semantics and misinformation....anti-vaxxers are enough of a problem. Viral replication is what causes the virus to mutate. Most are detrimental or neutral to the virus. On occasion a rare mutation provides an advantage to the virus (Darwinian evolution), and will eventually lead to a variant that is no longer neutralized by the vaccine you (well others I guess), received. People who actually care about themselves, their families and of great importance that seems to be lost nowadays, their fellow man may die even though they were protected against the earlier strains.
The ONLY way to get over this crisis is for people to get vaccinated and to PREVENT the virus from accessing a safe reservoir in whihc to grow. Get vaccinated and get back to normal.
Rant over...my apologies (I work in the vaccine development field)
A little bit of knowledge is a terrible thing. COV... (show quote)


Incorrect.
The 'vaccine' does NOT stop transmission to others...and does NOT prevent the vaccinated from getting Covid.

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Sep 22, 2021 18:16:59   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Canisdirus wrote:
Incorrect.
The 'vaccine' does NOT stop transmission to others...and does NOT prevent the vaccinated from getting Covid.

In all fairness, he didn't use those words.
I didn't infer that.

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Sep 22, 2021 18:26:23   #
Canisdirus
 
Longshadow wrote:
In all fairness, he didn't use those words.
I didn't infer that.


I'm not going to argue on fine points.
I have posted what is important about the 'vaccines'.
They don't stop transmission in any way, nor do they prevent the 'vaccinated' from getting Covid.

Which means it does not fit the medical definition of a real vaccine.
Natural immunity is far superior to the gene therapy.

If you have serious health issues...then sure...get the gene therapy.
For anyone else...no point to it.
It's all one big experiment.

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Sep 22, 2021 18:31:31   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Canisdirus wrote:
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For anyone else...no point to it.
It's all one big experiment.

You should tell that to my dead 35 year old niece who did not get the vaccine......
Tell her she was right in not getting the vaccine.
But we'll never know if it would have helped her will we.

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Sep 22, 2021 18:31:48   #
Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay
 
streetmarty wrote:
You could park that in my driveway and I wouldn’t get the shot!!


Thank you for volunteering to cut back on the world population.

Your services are appreciated.

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Sep 22, 2021 19:17:50   #
KindaSpikey Loc: English living in San Diego
 
Quick... Get your cameras ready, I just spotted one of those illusive "trolls" right in here! Some of us might be lucky enough to get a decent shot of it. From what I understand, many of these trolls didn't have much of an education and don't even realize that they are in fact the trolls of which we speak. Now everyone keep quiet, don't forget to remove your lens caps and get ready.... I suspect the troll will be making an appearance again very soon.

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Sep 22, 2021 20:09:21   #
David Martin Loc: Cary, NC
 
Canisdirus wrote:
I have posted what is important about the 'vaccines'.
They don't stop transmission in any way, nor do they prevent the 'vaccinated' from getting Covid.
They reduce the rate of transmission, and in breakthrough infections they lower the antibody level more rapidly thereby shortening the length of time the infected person is contagious thereby reducing the number of people who will become infected. And most vaccines do not prevent people from getting infected, rather they greatly reduce transmission and either prevent or significantly reduce the severity of symptoms.
Canisdirus wrote:
Which means it does not fit the medical definition of a real vaccine.
Nonsense. Which medical school did you attend?
Canisdirus wrote:
Natural immunity is far superior to the gene therapy.
Perhaps. HOWEVER, natural immunity against the original strain or alpha strain of Covid, could be less effective against Delta, Gamma or Lamba variants, and future variants to come. Time will tell.
Canisdirus wrote:
If you have serious health issues...then sure...get the gene therapy.
Actually getting a Covid vaccine would be more help than whatever "gene therapy" you imagine.
Canisdirus wrote:
It's all one big experiment.
Being in the midst of a pandemic is new to most of us.

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