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Sep 21, 2021 13:52:29   #
nblue
 
I agree

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Sep 21, 2021 13:58:36   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
Charles 46277 wrote:
If your pictures are realistic, how come a picture of a mouse does not interest a cat?


Based on limited observations (I have only one cat), the interest of a cat may be triggered by motion rather than shape. Based on small rodents that my cat has caught, he will sit there and stare at them until they move. Then he will act. If the object does not move in a certain length of time (defined by the cat) then he will walk away.

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Sep 21, 2021 14:04:11   #
lsupremo Loc: Palm Desert, CA
 
The camera does what you tell it to do. If you make a mistake the camera wouldn’t fix it, but you can.

But a long time ago, while I was in a class with Ansel Adams he told us “if YOU can’t make it bigger or more important, don’t push the button, just remember what you saw”

The point is, YOU are what is creating an image with your vision of what you’re trying to say, you’re camera with how you use it, and your skill in post processing.

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Sep 21, 2021 14:11:00   #
stan0301 Loc: Colorado
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
There are 10 groups of people in the world. Those who use binary notation and those who don't. In photography, there is a difference of opinion on postprocessing.

Recent threads (and lots of past threads) expose the dichotomy of opinion on postprocessing. "Photoshop is lying". "Photographs are art".

When I studied with Ansel Adams he said “the image captured by your camera is only the starting point for creating the image that is in your mind” - enough said - Michangelo chiseled away every bit of marble that he didn’t feel contributed to his vision

There are reasons for both opinions, but the reasons do not overlap much. I'm in the "art" group and I will let everyone know that my photos are processed, sometimes just a bit, sometimes a lot. It's the difference between a pleasing photo and photojournalism, which eschews changes to the "original" image, whatever that is.

I would like to support the "art" group with an example from a recent wedding I attended. I have a photo that was taken by someone else (since I was in the wedding party I did not take any photos of the ceremony). I am presenting the photo to illustrate a point: it is my opinion that wedding photos are NOT photojournalism (unless there's some unusual newsworthy aspect of the wedding, which does not apply here). Wedding photos are to please the family. I don't have permission of everyone in the photo to post this so I have blurred all the faces, but I think my point can be seen here.

The original photo was taken as the bride and groom (now husband and wife) walked down the aisle away from the officiant. The wedding was outdoors on a sunny day, late in the afternoon. The photo shows most of the family so it is of interest to the family. Since it was late in the afternoon, some trees behind the photographer shaded half of the group. So the original photo shows a bunch of bright faces on the right and dim faces on the left. In my opinion this detracts from the value of the photo to the family (particularly those on the left).

I ran the photo through Photoshop and brightened the faces on the left. I only had a jpg to work with so the dynamic range wasn't really great, but I got something that I believe is better than the original as far as the left group is concerned. The left group is not as bright as the right, but they are not heavily shaded as much as they were.

My version is not reality if you only consider the response of the camera sensor to the available illumination.

My version is reality if you consider that the human eye can adapt to differences in illumination much better than a print of a photo can realize.

My thesis is that Postprocessing, even relatively heavy processing that Photoshop can produce, is a way to approximate the reality of a photo.
There are 10 groups of people in the world. Those ... (show quote)

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Sep 21, 2021 14:59:19   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Charles 46277 wrote:
If your pictures are realistic, how come a picture of a mouse does not interest a cat?



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Sep 21, 2021 15:51:02   #
User ID
 
nblue wrote:
I agree

You are mistaken. Pure UHH. No one said anything about that. Try reading it again.

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Sep 21, 2021 16:35:46   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
User ID wrote:
Your intention ... ??? Reeeeeally ?!?!?

Your intention is perfectly clear. Read the thread title. Who wrote that title ?

Sorrrrrrrrry dude. You’re not innocent. You provoked the “who’s right and who’s wrong” question.

You could’ve asked for discussion of PP but instead you asked for a discussion of ETHICS !!! You did it. Don’t play naive...


The intent was to generate discussion. The thread did that. I could possibly have made a stronger statement that I was not defining the ethics, only stating my opinion on the subject. But it was not my intent to lay guilt on anyone. I hereby state that I'm cool with whatever floats your boat. My boat floats on afterexposure work frequently. I reserve the right not to float my boat your way and I grant you the same privilege.

I don't claim innocence. It's been a long time since I could be defined that way.

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Sep 21, 2021 17:29:43   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
The intent was to generate discussion. The thread did that. I could possibly have made a stronger statement that I was not defining the ethics, only stating my opinion on the subject. But it was not my intent to lay guilt on anyone. I hereby state that I'm cool with whatever floats your boat. My boat floats on afterexposure work frequently. I reserve the right not to float my boat your way and I grant you the same privilege.

I don't claim innocence. It's been a long time since I could be defined that way.
The intent was to generate discussion. The thread ... (show quote)



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Sep 21, 2021 18:05:39   #
joecichjr Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA
 
User ID wrote:
Yup.
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Sep 21, 2021 19:00:58   #
M1911 Loc: DFW Metromess
 
Obviously a rumor started by Ansel Adams.

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Sep 21, 2021 19:02:39   #
M1911 Loc: DFW Metromess
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Every successful photographer is driven by an inner voice telling them everyone else is using PhotoShop.


Obviously a rumor started by Ansel Adams.

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Sep 21, 2021 19:20:36   #
KindaSpikey Loc: English living in San Diego
 
WirtzWorld wrote:
Unless you are a photojournalist, your photos are free game to make whatever you want from them. I consider my raw files to be a resource or a building block for making a piece of art that is pleasing or useful in some way. I consider myself to be an artist of the same type as a painter or pencil drawer. Art is whatever you hang on the wall. I’ve made doughy women look slim and toned. Who does that hurt? I say the women feel better about themselves and the viewer enjoys the photo more. Photoshop is just a tool, so use it. ( now this applies to artists, photojournalism exists in a very different world.)

All of this is my opinion, not a fact.
Unless you are a photojournalist, your photos are ... (show quote)


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Sep 21, 2021 19:23:42   #
KindaSpikey Loc: English living in San Diego
 
Does anyone here really believe that their camera does not perform some amount of "post processing" before you even look at the screen?

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Sep 21, 2021 19:28:13   #
fantom Loc: Colorado
 
quixdraw wrote:
Reality no. Subjective interpretation yes. Post processing is simply wish fulfillment.


Wrong.

RAW files do not have the dynamic range that the human eye does. PP can restore the pix to what the scene looked like when taken.

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Sep 21, 2021 19:35:29   #
KindaSpikey Loc: English living in San Diego
 
fantom wrote:
Wrong.

RAW files do not have the dynamic range that the human eye does. PP can restore the pix to what the scene looked like when taken.


Yup! 👌

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