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Sep 18, 2021 20:49:18   #
Wuligal Loc: Slippery Rock, Pa.
 
In 1965, Congress authorized the Secret Service (Public Law 89-186) to protect a former president and his/her spouse during their lifetime, unless they decline protection.

Under a new law signed today by President Obama, all former U.S. presidents and first ladies will receive lifetime Secret Service protection.

The measure also authorizes protection for the children of former presidents until they are 16 years old.

Bush daughters kept Secret Service protection
In 1994, as a cost-saving measure, Congress acted to limit protection for future former presidents and spouses to just ten years after they left office.

The 1994 measure exempted then-President Bill Clinton and first applied to George W. Bush and all his successors.

Eighteen years later, Congress reconsidered.

"The world has changed dramatically since the 9/11 terrorist attacks," said Rep. Lamar Smith, R-Texas, during House debate on the bill in November.

"We must make sure that the safety and security of our former chief executives is not jeopardized," said Smith.
There were some voices of dissent about restoring lifetime protection to former presidents.

"I think we have seen that being a former president can be a pretty lucrative career, and I feel that after 10 years, if these former presidents feel the need for additional security, they should pay for it themselves," said Rep. Howard Coble, R-N.C., in a statement. He led the fight in 1994 to limit protection for former presidents to just 10 years.

Nevertheless, with widespread bipartisan support, the House passed the bill by voice vote last month and by unanimous consent in the Senate a few days before the 112th Congress came to a close.

Former presidents and first ladies remain free to relinquish Secret Service protection as did Richard Nixon in 1985, 11 years after he left office.

The Secret Service does not divulge the costs of its protective details, but it's believed to be in the range of tens of millions of dollars a year for each former president.

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Sep 18, 2021 20:55:25   #
scooter1 Loc: Yacolt, Wa.
 
berchman wrote:
That has nothing to do with "protection" of millionaires AFTER he is NO LONGER President. And what about charging Secret Service inflated fees to stay at his golf resorts while he played golf hundreds of times?


Your credibility is showing. Or lack of. Your article says $141 per room. If that's inflated you must stay in some flea ridden flop houses. Your TDS is shinning.

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Sep 18, 2021 22:16:32   #
cwp3420
 
berchman wrote:
Trump gave six months extra Secret Service protection to his kids, three officials. It cost taxpayers $1.7 million.

In June, former Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin visited Israel to scout investments for his new company, then flew to Qatar for a conference. At the time, Mnuchin had been out of office for five months.

But, because of an order given by President Donald Trump, he was still entitled to protection by Secret Service agents. As agents followed Mnuchin across the Middle East, the U.S. government paid up to $3,000 each for their plane tickets, and $11,000 for rooms at Qatar’s luxe St. Regis Doha, according to government spending records.

In all, the records show U.S. taxpayers spent more than $52,000 to guard a multimillionaire on a business trip.

These payments were among $1.7 million in additional government spending triggered by Trump’s highly unusual order — which awarded six extra months of Secret Service protection for his four adult children and three top administration officials — according to a Washington Post analysis of new spending documents.

That $1.7 million in extra spending is still tiny in comparison to the Secret Service’s $2.4 billion budget.

But, as the records show, Trump’s order required the Secret Service to devote agents and money to an unexpected set of people: wealthy adults, with no role in government, whom the agents trailed to ski vacations, weekend houses, a resort in Cabo San Lucas, and business trips abroad.

“Who wouldn’t enjoy continuing their free limo service and easy access to restaurant tables?” said Jim Helminski, a former Secret Service executive, who said the decision appeared to show Trump giving a public service as a private benefit to his inner circle. “Even if there was a credible risk to family and associates of Trump, these people are now private citizens who can afford to hire some very talented private security firms for their personal protection.”

The Secret Service declined to comment, beyond a statement that it “balances operational security requirements with judicious allocation of resources.”

Trump’s post-presidential office did not respond to questions. The Post sent messages to all seven of the people who received the additional protection. Five, including all of Trump’s adult children, did not respond. Another, former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, declined to comment.

The seventh, Mnuchin, said through a spokesman that he had not asked Trump to provide the extra protection. After it was given, Mnuchin — like all the others — could have declined Secret Service protection.

But he did not, “because government officials advised him to maintain it,” said Devin O’Malley, a spokesperson for Mnuchin. O’Malley declined to provide further details.

O’Malley also said that Mnuchin had told the Secret Service “that he intends to reimburse certain expenses” that resulted from his extra protection. But he declined to say when Mnuchin would do so, or how much of the expenses he would repay.

By law, the Secret Service is supposed to protect ex-presidents and their spouses for life, and their children until they turn 16. In recent years, former presidents Bill Clinton, Barack Obama and George W. Bush have also ordered agents to protect slightly older, college-aged children for a short time after leaving office.

Trump went far beyond that.

He extended six months of extra protection to his children Trump Jr., 43; Ivanka, 39; Eric, 37; Tiffany, 27; and their spouses — as well as to Mnuchin, Meadows and former national security adviser Robert C. O’Brien.

Trump did not publish any public order announcing the decision at the time, or explaining his rationale.

To estimate the cost of Trump’s decision, The Post requested Secret Service records detailing the cost of protecting all seven people. For five of them, The Post received records covering the full six months, showing the costs of buying airplane tickets, renting cars and booking hotel rooms for agents on protective duty. For the other two — Tiffany Trump and O’Brien — The Post examined records covering the first four months, which had previously been obtained by the watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington.

The records began on Jan. 20, in the first hours after Trump left office.

Among the first payments the Secret Service made was to Trump’s own company.

That day, the records showed, Ivanka Trump and her family left Washington for Trump’s golf club in Bedminster, N.J. — where Ivanka Trump has a cottage on the grounds. Secret Service agents came along, and Trump’s club charged them for the rooms they used.

The bill was $708.30 for one night, the records showed. The rate appeared to be $141.66 per room, the same rate that the club charged the Secret Service while Trump was still president.

In the next six months, the Secret Service spent about $347,000 on airfare, hotels and rental cars while protecting Ivanka Trump and her husband, former White House adviser Jared Kushner, the records show. The receipts showed the pair visiting resort destinations: Hawaii, Utah ski country, an upscale Wyoming ranch and Kiawah Island, S.C.

Agents also followed Kushner — now a private businessman — to the United Arab Emirates in May, paying $9,000 for hotel rooms, according to federal spending data posted online. The Secret Service did not say what the airfare costs were for this Kushner trip. The Daily Beast reported that the hotel was the Ritz Carlton in Abu Dhabi, citing a government spending document that said the hotel was Kushner’s choice.

Spokespeople for Ivanka Trump and Kushner did not respond to requests for comment this week.

Ivanka Trump’s adult siblings were, according to the records, less expensive to protect. Tiffany Trump, a recently married law school graduate, appeared to cost the least to guard. The partial records showed that, as of May, the Secret Service had spent $56,000 on airfare, rental cars and hotels while protecting her.

The costs of protecting Eric Trump and Donald Trump Jr. were similar: $241,000 for Eric and $213,000 for Trump Jr.

The records showed that the brothers mainly shuttled between their homes in New York and South Florida, with an occasional side trip. Trump Jr. went fishing in Montana. Eric Trump — who has become the most visible leader of the Trump Organization — visited Trump hotels in Washington and Chicago.

When he did, just as when his sister visited the Bedminster club, the Trump Organization charged agents who stayed in the former president’s properties: $350 for rooms in Washington, $1,415 in Chicago.

Jordan Libowitz, a spokesman for Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, said these charges — though small — represented a moral choice for the Trump family. If they wanted to reduce the burden of their extended protection on taxpayers, here was an easy chance to do it. Just don’t bill for rooms at Trump properties.

“The patriotic thing would obviously be not charging the government to stay at your properties and not profiting or profiteering off the government. It is just so easy for them to write off the rooms,” Libowitz said. “And we’re not seeing that.”

In that way, Trump’s children were following an example set by their father. Since he left office, he has lived full-time at his own properties — and charged the Secret Service for rooms every night. The total bill is now more than $72,000. It is almost certain to grow: Trump, unlike his children, has protection for life.

In examining expenses among the three White House officials who received an six extra months of protection, The Post could find little data on the cost of guarding O’Brien, the former national security adviser. The Secret Service spent $17,000 on rental cars while guarding him, but other expenses were not released.

Meadows, the former chief of staff, accounted for $342,000 in protection costs, the records showed. The Secret Service released few details, beyond a list of car rentals that showed visits to Washington, Florida and Meadows’s home state of North Carolina.

The most expensive of the seven to protect, it appears, was Mnuchin — an investment banker and Hollywood producer who served all four years of Trump’s term. In all, the Secret Service reported spending $479,000 while protecting him.

The receipts showed that agents spent $114,000 over the six months to rent rooms at a W Hotel in Los Angeles, where Mnuchin has a home.

They also followed Mnuchin on three trips to the Middle East, where Mnuchin is reportedly seeking to raise money from sovereign wealth funds for a new venture called Liberty Strategic Capital.

On one of those visits, Mnuchin told the Jerusalem Post that he was hoping to capitalize on the Trump administration’s efforts to build ties between Israel and some majority-Muslim neighbors — which culminated with the “Abraham Accords,” normalizing relations between Israel, the UAE and several other nations.

“Given our relationships here, the opportunity to bridge the economic transactions between different Abraham Accords member states is also a tremendous opportunity for us,” Mnuchin said in Tel Aviv in June. The Secret Service spent $23,000 on hotel rooms in Israel related to Mnuchin’s travel, records show.

Mnuchin’s travels with the Secret Service weren’t all business, however. Over the six months, the records show three separate trips to Cabo San Lucas — the Mexican resort, where Mnuchin had also vacationed during Trump’s presidency.

To guard Mnuchin during those three trips, the records show, the Secret Service paid $56,000 for hotel rooms and $2,000 to rent golf carts.

The Washington Post
By
David A. Fahrenthold
and
Carol D. Leonnig
Trump gave six months extra Secret Service protect... (show quote)


Snore. Still bitching about the past, while supporting a true mouth breathing idiot.

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Sep 18, 2021 22:18:22   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
cwp3420 wrote:
Snore. Still bitching about the past, while supporting a true mouth breathing idiot.


Are you ever going to answer my question about your camera? lol

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Sep 18, 2021 22:19:52   #
cwp3420
 
Racmanaz wrote:
Are you ever going to answer my question about your camera? lol


What question did you ask about my camera?

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Sep 18, 2021 22:27:37   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
cwp3420 wrote:
What question did you ask about my camera?


I was asking you how do you like your X-T4? I'm considering the purchase of that camera, also looking at the Nikon Z6ii. I know the Z6ii is a full frame but I just like the manual controls of the X-T4 and I am hearing that Fuji makes some high quality lenses.

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Sep 18, 2021 22:43:42   #
cwp3420
 
Racmanaz wrote:
I was asking you how do you like your X-T4? I'm considering the purchase of that camera, also looking at the Nikon Z6ii. I know the Z6ii is a full frame but I just like the manual controls of the X-T4 and I am hearing that Fuji makes some high quality lenses.


I really enjoy the Fuji system, especially the Fuji film simulations. I used to carry the Nikon D700 with all the big f2.8 glass. Then I got old. I found I carried it less and less. My brother, who is a successful photographer in Kansas, switched from his D3 to the Fuji X-T1, so I went with the same camera. One thing I really love about them is all of the major controls, ISO, shutter speed, and aperture are easy to change without digging into software menus. The X-T4 for me really hit it out of the park with the addition of IBIS. The film simulations are great too. They come in each Fuji camera based upon the color films Fujifilm developed. There’s a guy, Richie Roesch, who has developed probably 60 different film simulations, including some vintage camera looks. For instance, I’m currently using one that simulates the look of older Leica colors and lenses. I really enjoy the looks of it. I really enjoy the smaller size of the bodies and lenses. It’s much easier to carry than the D700, and as corny as it sounds, I’ve rediscovered the joy of photography and setting everything manual.

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Sep 18, 2021 22:49:32   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
cwp3420 wrote:
I really enjoy the Fuji system, especially the Fuji film simulations. I used to carry the Nikon D700 with all the big f2.8 glass. Then I got old. I found I carried it less and less. My brother, who is a successful photographer in Kansas, switched from his D3 to the Fuji X-T1, so I went with the same camera. One thing I really love about them is all of the major controls, ISO, shutter speed, and aperture are easy to change without digging into software menus. The X-T4 for me really hit it out of the park with the addition of IBIS. The film simulations are great too. They come in each Fuji camera based upon the color films Fujifilm developed. There’s a guy, Richie Roesch, who has developed probably 60 different film simulations, including some vintage camera looks. For instance, I’m currently using one that simulates the look of older Leica colors and lenses. I really enjoy the looks of it. I really enjoy the smaller size of the bodies and lenses. It’s much easier to carry than the D700, and as corny as it sounds, I’ve rediscovered the joy of photography and setting everything manual.
I really enjoy the Fuji system, especially the Fuj... (show quote)


Oh that's sounds exciting, I love and miss all those manual controls and especially the aperture control ring on the lens. On the film simulations, are those only for JPEG or does it save also in a RAW file?

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Sep 18, 2021 22:59:58   #
cwp3420
 
Racmanaz wrote:
Oh that's sounds exciting, I love and miss all those manual controls and especially the aperture control ring on the lens. On the film simulations, are those only for JPEG or does it save also in a RAW file?


No, the film sims are for JPEG. However, the Fuji JPEGs are the best I’ve ever seen on a camera. Generally, I use two USH-II SD cards in the camera, and record JPEGs to slot one and RAW to slot two. If I need further processing, I’ll use Capture One with the RAW format card.

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Sep 19, 2021 07:18:47   #
D.E.Kells Loc: Central OHIO
 

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Sep 19, 2021 08:09:05   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
berchman wrote:
Trump gave six months extra Secret Service protection to his kids, three officials. It cost taxpayers $1.7 million.

In June, former Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin visited Israel to scout investments for his new company, then flew to Qatar for a conference. At the time, Mnuchin had been out of office for five months.

But, because of an order given by President Donald Trump, he was still entitled to protection by Secret Service agents. As agents followed Mnuchin across the Middle East, the U.S. government paid up to $3,000 each for their plane tickets, and $11,000 for rooms at Qatar’s luxe St. Regis Doha, according to government spending records.

In all, the records show U.S. taxpayers spent more than $52,000 to guard a multimillionaire on a business trip.

These payments were among $1.7 million in additional government spending triggered by Trump’s highly unusual order — which awarded six extra months of Secret Service protection for his four adult children and three top administration officials — according to a Washington Post analysis of new spending documents.

That $1.7 million in extra spending is still tiny in comparison to the Secret Service’s $2.4 billion budget.

But, as the records show, Trump’s order required the Secret Service to devote agents and money to an unexpected set of people: wealthy adults, with no role in government, whom the agents trailed to ski vacations, weekend houses, a resort in Cabo San Lucas, and business trips abroad.

“Who wouldn’t enjoy continuing their free limo service and easy access to restaurant tables?” said Jim Helminski, a former Secret Service executive, who said the decision appeared to show Trump giving a public service as a private benefit to his inner circle. “Even if there was a credible risk to family and associates of Trump, these people are now private citizens who can afford to hire some very talented private security firms for their personal protection.”

The Secret Service declined to comment, beyond a statement that it “balances operational security requirements with judicious allocation of resources.”

Trump’s post-presidential office did not respond to questions. The Post sent messages to all seven of the people who received the additional protection. Five, including all of Trump’s adult children, did not respond. Another, former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, declined to comment.

The seventh, Mnuchin, said through a spokesman that he had not asked Trump to provide the extra protection. After it was given, Mnuchin — like all the others — could have declined Secret Service protection.

But he did not, “because government officials advised him to maintain it,” said Devin O’Malley, a spokesperson for Mnuchin. O’Malley declined to provide further details.

O’Malley also said that Mnuchin had told the Secret Service “that he intends to reimburse certain expenses” that resulted from his extra protection. But he declined to say when Mnuchin would do so, or how much of the expenses he would repay.

By law, the Secret Service is supposed to protect ex-presidents and their spouses for life, and their children until they turn 16. In recent years, former presidents Bill Clinton, Barack Obama and George W. Bush have also ordered agents to protect slightly older, college-aged children for a short time after leaving office.

Trump went far beyond that.

He extended six months of extra protection to his children Trump Jr., 43; Ivanka, 39; Eric, 37; Tiffany, 27; and their spouses — as well as to Mnuchin, Meadows and former national security adviser Robert C. O’Brien.

Trump did not publish any public order announcing the decision at the time, or explaining his rationale.

To estimate the cost of Trump’s decision, The Post requested Secret Service records detailing the cost of protecting all seven people. For five of them, The Post received records covering the full six months, showing the costs of buying airplane tickets, renting cars and booking hotel rooms for agents on protective duty. For the other two — Tiffany Trump and O’Brien — The Post examined records covering the first four months, which had previously been obtained by the watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington.

The records began on Jan. 20, in the first hours after Trump left office.

Among the first payments the Secret Service made was to Trump’s own company.

That day, the records showed, Ivanka Trump and her family left Washington for Trump’s golf club in Bedminster, N.J. — where Ivanka Trump has a cottage on the grounds. Secret Service agents came along, and Trump’s club charged them for the rooms they used.

The bill was $708.30 for one night, the records showed. The rate appeared to be $141.66 per room, the same rate that the club charged the Secret Service while Trump was still president.

In the next six months, the Secret Service spent about $347,000 on airfare, hotels and rental cars while protecting Ivanka Trump and her husband, former White House adviser Jared Kushner, the records show. The receipts showed the pair visiting resort destinations: Hawaii, Utah ski country, an upscale Wyoming ranch and Kiawah Island, S.C.

Agents also followed Kushner — now a private businessman — to the United Arab Emirates in May, paying $9,000 for hotel rooms, according to federal spending data posted online. The Secret Service did not say what the airfare costs were for this Kushner trip. The Daily Beast reported that the hotel was the Ritz Carlton in Abu Dhabi, citing a government spending document that said the hotel was Kushner’s choice.

Spokespeople for Ivanka Trump and Kushner did not respond to requests for comment this week.

Ivanka Trump’s adult siblings were, according to the records, less expensive to protect. Tiffany Trump, a recently married law school graduate, appeared to cost the least to guard. The partial records showed that, as of May, the Secret Service had spent $56,000 on airfare, rental cars and hotels while protecting her.

The costs of protecting Eric Trump and Donald Trump Jr. were similar: $241,000 for Eric and $213,000 for Trump Jr.

The records showed that the brothers mainly shuttled between their homes in New York and South Florida, with an occasional side trip. Trump Jr. went fishing in Montana. Eric Trump — who has become the most visible leader of the Trump Organization — visited Trump hotels in Washington and Chicago.

When he did, just as when his sister visited the Bedminster club, the Trump Organization charged agents who stayed in the former president’s properties: $350 for rooms in Washington, $1,415 in Chicago.

Jordan Libowitz, a spokesman for Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, said these charges — though small — represented a moral choice for the Trump family. If they wanted to reduce the burden of their extended protection on taxpayers, here was an easy chance to do it. Just don’t bill for rooms at Trump properties.

“The patriotic thing would obviously be not charging the government to stay at your properties and not profiting or profiteering off the government. It is just so easy for them to write off the rooms,” Libowitz said. “And we’re not seeing that.”

In that way, Trump’s children were following an example set by their father. Since he left office, he has lived full-time at his own properties — and charged the Secret Service for rooms every night. The total bill is now more than $72,000. It is almost certain to grow: Trump, unlike his children, has protection for life.

In examining expenses among the three White House officials who received an six extra months of protection, The Post could find little data on the cost of guarding O’Brien, the former national security adviser. The Secret Service spent $17,000 on rental cars while guarding him, but other expenses were not released.

Meadows, the former chief of staff, accounted for $342,000 in protection costs, the records showed. The Secret Service released few details, beyond a list of car rentals that showed visits to Washington, Florida and Meadows’s home state of North Carolina.

The most expensive of the seven to protect, it appears, was Mnuchin — an investment banker and Hollywood producer who served all four years of Trump’s term. In all, the Secret Service reported spending $479,000 while protecting him.

The receipts showed that agents spent $114,000 over the six months to rent rooms at a W Hotel in Los Angeles, where Mnuchin has a home.

They also followed Mnuchin on three trips to the Middle East, where Mnuchin is reportedly seeking to raise money from sovereign wealth funds for a new venture called Liberty Strategic Capital.

On one of those visits, Mnuchin told the Jerusalem Post that he was hoping to capitalize on the Trump administration’s efforts to build ties between Israel and some majority-Muslim neighbors — which culminated with the “Abraham Accords,” normalizing relations between Israel, the UAE and several other nations.

“Given our relationships here, the opportunity to bridge the economic transactions between different Abraham Accords member states is also a tremendous opportunity for us,” Mnuchin said in Tel Aviv in June. The Secret Service spent $23,000 on hotel rooms in Israel related to Mnuchin’s travel, records show.

Mnuchin’s travels with the Secret Service weren’t all business, however. Over the six months, the records show three separate trips to Cabo San Lucas — the Mexican resort, where Mnuchin had also vacationed during Trump’s presidency.

To guard Mnuchin during those three trips, the records show, the Secret Service paid $56,000 for hotel rooms and $2,000 to rent golf carts.

The Washington Post
By
David A. Fahrenthold
and
Carol D. Leonnig
Trump gave six months extra Secret Service protect... (show quote)


LOL..... The Demonics are talking about spending close to $6 Trillion and you are crying about $1.5 million, that is not even pocket change for this government and believe me, the government throws away wallets full of cash each and everyday.

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Sep 19, 2021 08:12:39   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
cwp3420 wrote:
I really enjoy the Fuji system, especially the Fuji film simulations. I used to carry the Nikon D700 with all the big f2.8 glass. Then I got old. I found I carried it less and less. My brother, who is a successful photographer in Kansas, switched from his D3 to the Fuji X-T1, so I went with the same camera. One thing I really love about them is all of the major controls, ISO, shutter speed, and aperture are easy to change without digging into software menus. The X-T4 for me really hit it out of the park with the addition of IBIS. The film simulations are great too. They come in each Fuji camera based upon the color films Fujifilm developed. There’s a guy, Richie Roesch, who has developed probably 60 different film simulations, including some vintage camera looks. For instance, I’m currently using one that simulates the look of older Leica colors and lenses. I really enjoy the looks of it. I really enjoy the smaller size of the bodies and lenses. It’s much easier to carry than the D700, and as corny as it sounds, I’ve rediscovered the joy of photography and setting everything manual.
I really enjoy the Fuji system, especially the Fuj... (show quote)


I really liked Fuji also, I am a Canon shooter but I also collect vintage glass, so I bought a X-T2 to use with my old lenses and really enjoyed that camera. I finally let it go when Canon came out with the R series...

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Sep 19, 2021 09:43:02   #
berchman Loc: South Central PA
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
LOL..... The Demonics are talking about spending close to $6 Trillion and you are crying about $1.5 million, that is not even pocket change for this government and believe me, the government throws away wallets full of cash each and everyday.


That's $1.7 million, not $1.5 and it's taxpayers' money going to a grifter and his grifter family and pals.

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Sep 19, 2021 11:20:10   #
cwp3420
 
berchman wrote:
That's $1.7 million, not $1.5 and it's taxpayers' money going to a grifter and his grifter family and pals.


My goodness you whine a lot. You must lie awake at night tossing and turning thinking about Trump. Meanwhile, your moronic leader is destroying this country from within.

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Sep 19, 2021 11:35:14   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
berchman wrote:
That's $1.7 million, not $1.5 and it's taxpayers' money going to a grifter and his grifter family and pals.


If that is the case how much did you get?

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