Covid Vaccine Mandates verses Patriotism?
Sep 15, 2021 13:01:48 #
BboH wrote:
If local jurisdictions passed a law that mandated the vaccine I would have no issues. Those doing so are answerable to the voters.
My issue is that Biden and all "lesser" bodies issuing mandates is illegal and by accepting the mandate we are laying the infrastructure leading to a dictator of some sort - That's what Mr. Sanders and all in his camp want.
My issue is that Biden and all "lesser" bodies issuing mandates is illegal and by accepting the mandate we are laying the infrastructure leading to a dictator of some sort - That's what Mr. Sanders and all in his camp want.
Isn’t Biden also answerable to the voters? Your paranoia that a mask mandate is a step towards dictatorship is stunning.
Sep 15, 2021 22:33:30 #
berchman wrote:
I know that you, as a trumper sheeple are suffering from scrapie.
Love you too, Gordo!
Sep 16, 2021 09:34:03 #
Wow, I really didn't expect this thread to go 12 pages when I started it and I'm surprised that it stayed out of the attic for quite awhile before it turned hateful and political. My original point was that using patriotism as a reason for not getting the vaccine was bogus and that I was shocked by the number of people I've met that used it as a deciding factor and justification for making their choice to not get vaccinated. As stated in the original post, I'd fight for our right to choose and the freedoms required to allow us to do so. However, if one really wanted to be patriotic, then getting the vaccine, even when one would rather not, would be the real patriotic choice, especially when our elected leaders have directly asked for our compliance for the common good. Being patriotic has a lot more to do with doing what's good for the county as a whole, then looking out for yourself. However, I do feel that our governments efforts should have been more along the lines of education, guidance, and asking for compliance, rather than using mandates to try to force it down our throats. Frankly, there will always be resistance to any sort of mandate and using them can be very counterproductive. We may never recover from the damage already done! Honestly, they should have seen that one coming and at least in my opinion this whole thing has been badly mishandled.
As for the vaccine, no one promised that it would be 100% effective and cross-over infections were expected. So, to those that say that if your vaccinated it does not matter if those around you are not, you are dangerously wrong! However, the numbers do now show a real advantage in immunity to those that received the vaccine and that the problems from side effects have been minimal. In fact, the Phizor vaccine is now fully FDA approved, so it has proven to be as safe as any other drug you may now take, so what's the problem. While I can see some justification in a "wait and see" approach, it's now time to accept the data and do what's right for everyone rather than stand behind all the bogus flag waving. We are at war with this virus and unity is what wins wars. Americans standing together for a common good is what is needed and patriotic here, even if it does hurt to make the right choice!
As for the vaccine, no one promised that it would be 100% effective and cross-over infections were expected. So, to those that say that if your vaccinated it does not matter if those around you are not, you are dangerously wrong! However, the numbers do now show a real advantage in immunity to those that received the vaccine and that the problems from side effects have been minimal. In fact, the Phizor vaccine is now fully FDA approved, so it has proven to be as safe as any other drug you may now take, so what's the problem. While I can see some justification in a "wait and see" approach, it's now time to accept the data and do what's right for everyone rather than stand behind all the bogus flag waving. We are at war with this virus and unity is what wins wars. Americans standing together for a common good is what is needed and patriotic here, even if it does hurt to make the right choice!
Sep 16, 2021 09:43:24 #
My choice to not vaccinate has nothing to do with patriotism or politics. I dont know the long term affects it will have on my health..
Sep 16, 2021 10:30:37 #
soba1 wrote:
My choice to not vaccinate has nothing to do with patriotism or politics. I dont know the long term affects it will have on my health..
Absolutely correct. No one knows what this vaccine will do to the human body in 10 years or more. To say they do is disingenuous at best. Nobody has ever injected something like this into humans before. I get all of my regular vaccines, such as the flu shot. But I’m not getting this one.
Sep 16, 2021 10:45:03 #
soba1 wrote:
My choice to not vaccinate has nothing to do with patriotism or politics. I dont know the long term affects it will have on my health..
The short term affects of not getting vaccinate is dead.
Sep 16, 2021 11:15:25 #
Bill 45 wrote:
The short term affects of not getting vaccinate is dead.
I haven’t died yet, Billy Trump, nor have any of the friends, neighbors, or acquaintances. You choose to cower in fear, even with your majic vaccine. I choose to live life as God intended it. Be happy in your ignorance, and I’ll be happy with my choice.
Sep 16, 2021 11:29:54 #
berchman
Loc: South Central PA
cwp3420 wrote:
I haven’t died yet, Billy Trump, nor have any of the friends, neighbors, or acquaintances. You choose to cower in fear, even with your majic vaccine. I choose to live life as God intended it. Be happy in your ignorance, and I’ll be happy with my choice.
And if it happens, will your obituary be posted in UHH?
Sep 16, 2021 11:42:24 #
Bill 45 wrote:
The short term affects of not getting vaccinate is dead.
No, its Maybe getting sick and a small maybe dying. You've had you shot so you have nothing to worry about! Why don't you go attack some vapors, or fried food eaters and leave the non vaxers alone!
Sep 16, 2021 11:55:15 #
Sep 16, 2021 11:56:42 #
Bill 45 wrote:
The short term affects of not getting vaccinate is dead.
Well I just returned from Houston where there was supposed to be a huge surge in COVID.
Still standing, I don’t care how hard u try when you’re number is up you are outa here.
Sep 16, 2021 11:57:09 #
redlegfrog wrote:
No, its Maybe getting sick and a small maybe dying. You've had you shot so you have nothing to worry about! Why don't you go attack some vapors, or fried food eaters and leave the non vaxers alone!
Exactly 👍🏾
Sep 16, 2021 12:13:01 #
Bill 45 wrote:
The short term affects of not getting vaccinate is dead.
The recovery rate is around 99%. Some of you seem to forget that
Sep 16, 2021 14:11:18 #
Didn't read the text at the links. But the summary speaks for itself. Let us all go with medical science and get vaccinated asap.
David Martin wrote:
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Sep 16, 2021 22:11:54 #
berchman wrote:
And if it happens, will your obituary be posted in UHH?
You bet your sweet patootie it will.
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