btbg

I totally understand that, and I am not anti vax. I am anti government mandates, especially mandates that are not scientifically based. And neither the mask mandates in our state, or the vaccine mandates are scientifically based.

It is really very simple. If the vaccine works, and it appears to, then if you are vaccinated it makes no difference whether other people are vaccinated or not. And, if it doesn't work, then there is no reason for mandates. Either way, the mandates make no sense.

btbg

For the greater good we need to stand up for personal liberty before it is gone for good. That is what is the greater good, even if it means that I could die in the process. I am vaccinated, but I will absolutely defend the right of my neighbor to not be vaccinated. And, I am absolutely opposed to my granddaughters getting vaccinated. In case you haven't noticed there are reports of women having menstrual cycle issues after getting vaccinated. The NIH has now given out six grants to study the situation. Why would you take someone who is at extremely low risk for serious illness from the virus and risk that kind of problem without adequate research to see what is really going on?

btbg

We have overreported the seriousness of the disease from day one, and we have underreported the total number of cases, which leads to inflated death totals.

Remember, they estimate that nearly 40 percent of the positive cases are asymptomatic. That begs the question how many people have gotten covid and never knew it? How many got it with mild symptoms and chose not to get tested?

We could get answers to those important questions if we did antibody tests to see what percentage of the population have actually gotten the virus, but of course if we did that then the bureaucrats like Fauci would be exposed for the liars they are. So, of course we will never bother to do that.

btbg

Yes.

btbg

Why would I want to get out of the rain. Rain makes for great photography opportunities.

soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca

I don’t need the govt to baby sit me

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

Eventually, the numbers of non-vaccinated people dying will drop because there won't be many left. Below is a cartoon from yesterday - just a coincidence.

National Park

Your post is both inaccurate and misleading. Masks do help to stop the spread of the virus. It is not 100% protection, but there is little question that masks work--some more than others. I can't believe that some people are such snowflakes that they won't wear a mask.

Regarding the Lewis Hospital situation, the articles I read on the Lewis Hospital situation is that 6 "employees" of the maternity ward resigned rather than get vaccinated; nowhere have I specifically read that these employees were "nurses." Lewis County is a rural New York County which has recently had the highest average percentage of positive test results of any county in New York. Although I have been unable to confirm this, it likely that this rural, Republican county has one of the lower vaccination rates in the State. Lower vaccination rates like what is found in this County is the very reason that vaccination requirements are needed for hospitals. Staff vaccinations are needed to protect staff as well as patients. By the way, 3/4's of the employees in this hospital ARE vaccinated; they apparently believe that the vaccination is a safe, effective way to protect yourself and others against covid. How a person can work in the health care field and refuse to get vaccinated is beyond me.

Regarding Israel, its vaccination rate is around 80%, not 100% as you claim, and the effectiveness of the vaccine wanes over time, especially with respect to new variants like the delta variant. Nowhere has Israel said that the vaccination isn't effective. It's reaction to the surge is to double-down on vaccinations and is administering booster shots.

The vaccination gives protection, but it is not 100% protection. It reduces the chance that you will catch covid and become seriously ill it you do catch it. Not being vaccinated increases the chance that you will catch covid and become seriously ill or die if you do catch it. Not being vaccinated increases the chance that you will catch covid and pass it on to others--including breakthrough cases of the vaccinated Not being vaccinated also increases the chance that new variants will be created that are more resistant to the vaccine. Your claim that the unvaccinated are doing nothing to harm the vaccinated is therefore simply wrong. And then there is the economic harm caused by the continuation of the pandemic...

Finally, I notice that your post fails to mention that an increasing number of hospitals have been forced to close their Intensive Care Units to new patients because their ICUs are overflowing with covid patients, nearly all of whom are unvaccinated. Tell a vaccinated person who is turned away from an ICU because it is filled with unvaccinated covid patients that it doesn't matter to them that people aren't getting vaccinated.

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

Lewis comes within one point of being the most poorly vaccinated county in New York State. My county - Ulster - is at the upper end of the vaccination scale, with over 63%. Dutchess County, across the river is at 58%, and they have more Covid cases and more deaths. They have had 13 deaths this month, and we have had none.

https://data.democratandchronicle.com/covid-19-vaccine-tracker/new-york/ulster-county/36111/

berchman Loc: South Central PA

Do you have a Border Collie to herd your flock of sheeple?

berchman Loc: South Central PA

I hear a Trumper sheep going baa baa.

berchman Loc: South Central PA

You're a trumper sheeple!

anotherview Loc: California

The vaccine hold-outs function as fanatics. As such, they remain not subject to reason. They cannot fit themselves to the larger picture involving protection of the public health.

They wrap the U.S. Constitution around their objection to vaccination against the Chinese killer virus. This objection, however, endangers innocent others whom they may infect with the virus.

Yet the hold-outs care not that they act selfishly and dangerously in this matter. In turn, their defective consciousness presents a potential harm to the public health. For this fact, the authorities become authorized to enforce vaccination to save lives.

Even if the hold-outs could design a scenario whereby their personal freedom justifies their position, dual concerns prevail to trump their position: public safety and public health.
This rationale the hold-outs cannot escape.

cwp3420

Awww, how precious. Berchman has learned a new word. He still doesn’t know what it means, but hey, let’s use it to death.

David Martin Loc: Cary, NC

Which neglects those who are not able to be vaccinated, especially children.Exactly. For example:

In the U.S. the highest rate of children becoming seriously ill with Covid-19 lived in areas with the lowest rates of adult vaccination. In August, ER visits for children were 3.4 times higher in states with the lowest population vaccination rate and lowest in states with higher vaccination rates. Hospital admissions for children sick with Covid were 4 times higher in states with low adult vaccination rates, and lowest in states with the highest adult vaccination rate.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7036e1.htm

In the U.S. hospitalization rates are 10 times higher among unvaccinated than among fully vaccinated adolescents.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7036e2.htm

In Israel for every 20 percent increase in the number of 16- to 50-year-olds who were vaccinated, the amount of unvaccinated children under the age of 16 who tested positive for COVID-19 fell by half.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01407-5