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Sep 13, 2021 08:55:59   #
Bison Bud
 
Like many others out there, I don't much care for being forced to do something and I'd fight for our right to make our own decisions on this issue or any other. However, I can't tell you how many people I've talked to over the past 2 months that have told me they won't get vaccinated, because it violates their rights as an "American." Virtually all of these people then went off on some sort of patriotic ramble as an attempt to justify their decision for not getting the vaccine. Somehow, I just don't get it and using patriotism as an excuse for not making an intelligent and practical choice is just beyond my ability to understand. While the government has tried to mandate vaccinations for all Federal employees, it is still the choice of those employees as to whether or not to comply. It's just like a private company deciding to require vaccinations and is well within their rights to do so. This is not an infringement on anyone's rights! While it may not be popular, everyone still has the choice whether to comply or not, it just makes the stakes a bit higher when it requires someone to give up their job, etc. if they don't comply (and that's exactly why they are doing it). Anyway, my point is that the choice is still there, they are simply applying pressure to get as many as possible to take the vaccine. Right or wrong, it is well within their rights to do so and not getting your vaccination for "Patriotic" reasons is simply not a valid arguement! Flame me if you want, but this whole thing is just stupid and I don't do well with stupid!

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Sep 13, 2021 09:04:42   #
Bison Bud
 
In hindsight, maybe I should have posted this in the "Attic." Moderator feel free to move it if it's not where it should be, thanks!

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Sep 13, 2021 09:05:35   #
Ollieboy
 
That's where it belongs.

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Sep 13, 2021 09:10:17   #
StanMac Loc: Tennessee
 
I’m with you, Bud. It is beyond understanding.

Stan

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Sep 13, 2021 09:12:17   #
NCMtnMan Loc: N. Fork New River, Ashe Co., NC
 
Being threatened and coerced isn't much of a choice situation. Some people have genuine concerns, and much of it has to do with the overall lack of trust in our government. That lack of trust is well earned based on the last 40-50 years. I got vaccinated because I chose it over the virus. The second shot nearly put me in the hospital.

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Sep 13, 2021 09:12:37   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Many of the unvaccinated who wound up in the hospital are saying that they should have gotten the vaccine.

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Sep 13, 2021 09:13:52   #
Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay
 
Bison Bud wrote:
Like many others out there, I don't much care for being forced to do something and I'd fight for our right to make our own decisions on this issue or any other. However, I can't tell you how many people I've talked to over the past 2 months that have told me they won't get vaccinated, because it violates their rights as an "American." Virtually all of these people then went off on some sort of patriotic ramble as an attempt to justify their decision for not getting the vaccine. Somehow, I just don't get it and using patriotism as an excuse for not making an intelligent and practical choice is just beyond my ability to understand. While the government has tried to mandate vaccinations for all Federal employees, it is still the choice of those employees as to whether or not to comply. It's just like a private company deciding to require vaccinations and is well within their rights to do so. This is not an infringement on anyone's rights! While it may not be popular, everyone still has the choice whether to comply or not, it just makes the stakes a bit higher when it requires someone to give up their job, etc. if they don't comply (and that's exactly why they are doing it). Anyway, my point is that the choice is still there, they are simply applying pressure to get as many as possible to take the vaccine. Right or wrong, it is well within their rights to do so and not getting your vaccination for "Patriotic" reasons is simply not a valid arguement! Flame me if you want, but this whole thing is just stupid and I don't do well with stupid!
Like many others out there, I don't much care for ... (show quote)



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Sep 13, 2021 09:16:35   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Or one's personal safety...

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Sep 13, 2021 09:19:48   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Bison Bud wrote:
Like many others out there, I don't much care for being forced to do something and I'd fight for our right to make our own decisions on this issue or any other. However, I can't tell you how many people I've talked to over the past 2 months that have told me they won't get vaccinated, because it violates their rights as an "American." Virtually all of these people then went off on some sort of patriotic ramble as an attempt to justify their decision for not getting the vaccine. Somehow, I just don't get it and using patriotism as an excuse for not making an intelligent and practical choice is just beyond my ability to understand. While the government has tried to mandate vaccinations for all Federal employees, it is still the choice of those employees as to whether or not to comply. It's just like a private company deciding to require vaccinations and is well within their rights to do so. This is not an infringement on anyone's rights! While it may not be popular, everyone still has the choice whether to comply or not, it just makes the stakes a bit higher when it requires someone to give up their job, etc. if they don't comply (and that's exactly why they are doing it). Anyway, my point is that the choice is still there, they are simply applying pressure to get as many as possible to take the vaccine. Right or wrong, it is well within their rights to do so and not getting your vaccination for "Patriotic" reasons is simply not a valid arguement! Flame me if you want, but this whole thing is just stupid and I don't do well with stupid!
Like many others out there, I don't much care for ... (show quote)


There is so much misinformation going around among anti-vaxxers. One just made a post in the Attic that the vaccines do not prevent Covid infections but just lessen the severity of the illness, which is patently false. While the vaccines are NOT 100% effective and there are breakthrough cases which are usually less severe, the numbers are statistically small.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/fyi-you-can-still-get-covid-19-if-you-re-fully-vaccinated-here-s-why-you-shouldn-t-worry/ar-BB1fHoY7

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Sep 13, 2021 09:24:36   #
Jandjeby14
 
I think this says it al! When we live with others we have responsibilities to be sensitive to their welfare. I don't like speed limits, or zoning laws, or jay walking laws or laws against excessive noise. If we want the protection regulations on others provide and police protections when others violate our rights, we need to comply with some things we do not prefer. Simple common sense and the price for living in a good, civil society.

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Sep 13, 2021 09:25:29   #
n4jee Loc: New Bern, NC
 
I believe that any employer has the right (and duty) to assume a policy that: "In order to protect our customers and employees, nobody will be allowed to work on the premises unless vaccinated against Covid 19."

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Sep 13, 2021 09:25:54   #
bobmcculloch Loc: NYC, NY
 
Basic Question:
Do you trust YOUR GOVERNMENT?

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Sep 13, 2021 09:30:00   #
Mark Sturtevant Loc: Grand Blanc, MI
 
SteveR wrote:

I've been collecting some cartoons for these occasions.




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Sep 13, 2021 09:32:17   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Bison Bud wrote:
In hindsight, maybe I should have posted this in the "Attic." Moderator feel free to move it if it's not where it should be, thanks!


Yes, it will be moved there soon enough.

Headline today - a man in Alabama died from heart problems because he could not get into a hospital. They tried forty-three hospitals - no ICU beds available. Shortly after he was able to find a hospital bed, he passed away.

"...was eventually transferred to a Mississippi hospital about 200 miles away, died at 73 on Sept. 1 — three days shy of his birthday."

Hospital beds are filling up with people who exercised their American freedom of choice and chose not to get a vaccine that would keep them out of the hospital. If I ran a hospital, all the un-vaccinated Covid patients would be in a tent in the parking lot - or home watching TV.

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Sep 13, 2021 09:32:27   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Mark Sturtevant wrote:
I've been collecting some cartoons for these occasions.


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